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Tuesday, August 25, 2009

7.42% - So you’re saying there’s a chance?

Today’s Baseball Prospectus’s playoff odds gives the Cubs a 7.42% chance at making the playoffs this year and a 5.58% chance at winning the NL Central.  After a day when nothing went wrong for the Cubs (a.k.a., an off day), I found myself wondering what exactly has to happen for the Cubs to reverse choke this season.  The Cubs are sitting 8 games behind the Cards entering play today, but only 6 in the loss column.  The Cards are currently on pace for around 92 or 93 wins (BPro’s average puts them at 92), so for this exercise let’s assume the Cubs have to win 94.  There are 40 games left, which means the Cubs would have to go 32-8 to finish with 94 wins, or 31-9 to tie at 93 wins.  Let’s assume the latter, leaving the Cubs and Cards to play a make up game, time and place TBD.

In this scenario, the Cubs pretty much have to sweep the Cards in the 3 game set 9/18-20 in St. Louis.  This gives the Cubs 37 other games to make up 5 games.  The Cubs have a very favorable home stretch starting tonight, with the Nats, Mets, and Astros all coming in for 3 games and looking very beatable.  Add in a make up game with the White Sox, and the Cubs could be looking at a 9-1 or 8-2 home stretch minimum.  The Cubs then go on a quick 6 game trip to visit the Mets and Pirates, all winnable games, but let’s put the Cubs at 5-1.  If the Cubs can somehow manage to 13-3 in this stretch, while picking up 2 or 3 games on the Cards, the division race would be right back on.  That would put the Cubs at 75-63 on September 10th, 5 back with 24 to go.  The Cubs then have another small homestand, facing the Reds 3 times and the Brewers 4.  5-2 is a must, while likely picking up another game. 

The puts the Cubs at 80-65 heading to St. Louis for the pivotal series.  It’s hard to predict how the rotations will play out due to off days, but if each teams rotations stayed as is the matchups would be Lilly/Wainright , Dempster/Pineiro , and Zambrano/Carpenter.  A very tall task, but alterna-reality Cubs are more than up for the challenge.  If somehow the Cubs can miraculously escape that series only 2 back with 13 play, anything is possible.  The Cubs leave St. Louis and travel to Milwaukee for 3 and San Fransisco for another 3.  Outside of the Cards series, the 3 in SF will be the only other time the rest of the year the Cubs play a team in contention (besides the random make up games here and there).  The Cubs wrap up the last week of the season with another 4 against the Pirates and 3 against the Diamondbacks. 

We’ve only looked at half of the scenario, so what about the Cardinals schedule?  It’s slightly more difficult than the Cubs; they still have to play Atlanta, Florida (both at home) and Colorado (in Denver), mixed in with Houston (6), Milwaukee (6), Pittsburgh (3), Cincinnati (3), and Washington (3).  The Cards are a much better team in the 2nd half, so the Cubs can’t really count on them falling into a tailspin.  I think the worst case for the Cards down the stretch is .500, and that’s probably not very likely. 

Going back to the Cubs, what has to happen to cause the Cubs to play at this better than .700 winning percentage?  For starters, Lee, Fukudome, Baker, and Fox have to keep hitting where they’ve been hitting lately.  Ramirez and Soriano both needs to catch fire.  Soto and Bradley need to play as good or better than they have all season.  Zambrano is going to have to step right back into the rotation and be lights out.  Dempster and Wells are going to have to pitch better than they have the last month.  Lilly needs to completely regain his first half form.  Harden needs to keep doing exactly what he’s doing right now.  Marmol and Guzman have to re-become unhittable.  And Lou has to stop being an idiot.  Sure is a lot to ask, and perhaps 20 to 1 seems about right.

But if it doesn’t happen, what can we look for the rest of the season?  Limiting myself to 5 things, I’d say the most interesting storylines to follow when the season is playing out are:
1. Is Jake Fox for real?  This is still a very real question, and to be honest, I’m not sure anything he can do this season will settle this either way.  But if he can stay at his current levels, he’ll force the Cubs to find a way to fit him in next season (and I still vote for corner super-sub/top PH).
2. Can Soto regain his Rookie of the Year form?  I, for one, am not ready to write off last season as a fluke or career year for Geo yet.  But if he doesn’t show any resemblance to that player, the Cubs will have to seriously consider investing in a better back up and/or fallback option.
3. What’s going to happen with Harden?  He’s on quite the contract push now, and he’s making the case that he’s invaluable to the Cubs.  This Harden is a must sign.
4. Can Wells win Rookie of the Year?  A lot is going to depend on how much support the Cubs’ offense gives him the rest of the season.  And he’s probably at best only co-favorites with J. Happ. 
5. What’s Lou going to do?  He’s claiming he’ll be back next year, but do we believe him?  Do we want him back? 

Some other questions likely won’t be resolved until later in the offseason – the ownership situation, any front office turnover, projected budget for 2010 – but the Cubs really don’t have many prospects that are likely to see significant playing time or are likely to contribute next year.  I’d like to see Lee and Fukudome finish strong, I’d like to see Soriano either shut it down because his knee is too bad or to show flashes or his good self, and I’d really like to see Zambrano stay healthy and pitch well enough to shut his critics up for a while (they won’t no matter what he does).  But until then, I’m going to hold on to this sliver of hope. 

Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt Posted: August 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM | 54 comment(s)
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   1. TomH  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM (#3304443)
Hmm. 7.42% chance of making the playoffs. Assuming a simple 1 in 8 possibility of winning the trophy if they get there, that makes it slightly under 1 in 100 to be the champs; almost precisely the # of years they've gone without the big prize. Quaint.
   2. VoodooR  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 10:46 AM (#3304454)
Realistically, the only way the Cubs catch the Cardinals is if the Cubs get hot and the Cardinals fall back considerably. If it is going to take 94 wins, the Cubs probably have less than 1% chance, but if the Cardinals slump and the 88 wins take the division, the Cubs still have a shot.
   3. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:03 AM (#3304473)
If the Cards play .500 from here on out (and I think it's a reach to think they'll do that poorly), they get to 90 wins. The Cubs would have to go 28-12 to tie.

I'm not holding my breath.
   4. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM (#3304477)
I don't think the worst case for the Cards is 500. Odds are they'll go better than 500 down the stretch, but I wouldn't be stunned to see them go 4 or 5 under down the stretch.

As you said, any chance of catching the Cards relies on the sweep so that laves 5 games to make up over 37 games remaining. A game per week. 2 games in the standings can be made up by going 4-0 in the extra games we have remaining. That leaves 3 games in the standings to make up over 33 games. It's not impossible.
   5. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM (#3304481)
Yeah, I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I will say I'm done expending any emotional energy in hoping for it. Hey, if they wanna surprise me, great.

On a completely selfish note, I'm curious to see what happens with postseason tickets; since the Cubs are in second place and not literally (even if practically) buried, I'm guessing MLB will authorize them to prepare for postseason play. In that case, I'm on the fence as to whether to fork over the various surcharges along with the price of the tickets. A big part of me says I'll just be pissing away the surcharge.

In any event, I'll be at the park tonight, and the weather's nice (if a bit warm for my liking). Go Cubs. The going won't get any easier than the next 3.
   6. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM (#3304483)
And back in the real world:

Read a rumor about Ricketts wanting to bring in Sandy Alderson as President, likely leading to a new GM.

Regarding what I want to see barring the miracle finish:

Sorting out the bullpen. I know it'll only be a few innings per guy, but I want that pen overflowing in September. I want Stevens, Caridad, Parker, Gaub, Berg, and Patton eating up innings and seeing if they have anything.

If Soriano still has nagging knee issues I want him DLd for September, if he's healthy, I want him and Bradley getting innings in CF so we don't wind up with another lefty-lefty platoon next season.

I want Jeff Baker playing every day.

I want Mike Fontenot to take the spot starts at SS.
   7. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:22 AM (#3304488)
Gaub's one of the guys they got for DeRosa, right? I seem to remember reading he's got the best upside of anyone from that deal.
   8. Watch out for the door, Omar...(Met Fan Charlie)  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM (#3304502)
Cry me a river.
   9. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM (#3304509)
As you said, any chance of catching the Cards relies on the sweep so that laves 5 games to make up over 37 games remaining. A game per week. 2 games in the standings can be made up by going 4-0 in the extra games we have remaining. That leaves 3 games in the standings to make up over 33 games. It's not impossible.

Good summary. Much more concise than my post.

Yeah, I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I will say I'm done expending any emotional energy in hoping for it. Hey, if they wanna surprise me, great.

Exactly how I feel. I still have hope, but I know it's a long shot. And dammit, one of these times that long shot is going to happen for the Cubs, right?

Read a rumor about Ricketts wanting to bring in Sandy Alderson as President, likely leading to a new GM.

That would be very encouraging. I wouldn't be surprised to see a full house cleaning. It's what we wanted after the Dusty/McPhail era, but it never truly happened. Now's the time.

I want Mike Fontenot to take the spot starts at SS.

This is probably the longest shot of anything you'd like to see. Lou seemed pretty convinced he couldn't handle it after Mike's brief cameo. Of course, he thought the same thing with Fox and came around on that one. I'd assume it's more likely Blanco comes back and gets some spot starts.
   10. Andere Richtingen  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM (#3304510)
It's going to take a Cardinals slump and a Cubs surge.

And the Cardinals aren't exactly facing a buzzsaw in their schedule. My back of the envelope calculation weighting their remaining schedules by win percentage has the Cubs opponents' winning percentage at .466, and the Cardinals at .482. Both have heavily home-weighted schedules (Cardinals 21H/15R, Cubs 22H/16R).

The going won't get any easier than the next 3.

Except Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh is a worse team than the Nationals right now.
   11. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM (#3304526)
Cry me a river.

Uh, what? This is not a complaining or self-pity post. There's no contest, and no winners in a competition of who's worse off.
   12. Watch out for the door, Omar...(Met Fan Charlie)  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:58 AM (#3304535)
Sorry. Just venting in a new venue. I'll go away now.
   13. Bunny Vincennes  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM (#3304543)
To put this in perspective slightly, the Cubs best "closeing" month of September happened in 1935. They went 23-6, an .885 clip in which they scored 156 runs while giving up 66, to catch and beat St. Louis by four games who went 19-12 down the stretch.

This is trivial of course, but I'm throwing it out there.
   14. Der_K 2  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM (#3304561)
That yellow pages ad is (tree falling down version) is unintentionally amusing.
   15. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:19 PM (#3304562)
A 90-run differential in a single month. That's just frickin' insane. They outscored their opposition by over 3 runs a game on average, *including* their losses.

I think it's safe to say that was a fun month to watch.
   16. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:24 PM (#3304569)
This is trivial of course, but I'm throwing it out there.

What you're saying is they're due?
   17. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM (#3304573)
Yes, Gaub was one of the 3 that came for DeRosa(along with Stevens and Chris Archer, 20 year old starter in A ball having a nice year)

Gaub's problems are the same as Stevens which are the same as Archer which seem to be the same of all our prospects/pen guys. Walks.

Archer and Gaub have improved their BB rate quite a bit this year, Stevens has gotten worse. All 3 have improved their prospect status though such that they're clearly worth more than the draft picks DeRosa would return.

Coming into the season, I believe Gaub had the best potential, but Archer finally turned his stuff into results and has passed him IMO.(Which is impressive considering Gaub's put up a sub-2 ERA over AA-AAA this season.) Then again I'm a sucker for young guys who strike out a bunch of people.
   18. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM (#3304577)
Just did a little quick math--the Cubs 23-6 month in 1935 actually fell 2 games short of their pythag (.848, or 25 wins). Nuts.
   19. retro-shiite  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM (#3304581)
Well, that's encouraging--if they end up getting one pretty good major league pitcher out of the DeRosa deal, it's a win.
   20. Bunny Vincennes  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3304723)
A 90-run differential in a single month. That's just frickin' insane. They outscored their opposition by over 3 runs a game on average, *including* their losses.

I think it's safe to say that was a fun month to watch.


It is insane. It must have been like watching some sort of baseball scorched earth policy. Jesus christo! Interestingly, the Cubs loved the 8th inning that season. They scored way more runs in the 8th vs. other inning, and almost the exact same number of runs at home vs. on the road 426 at Wrigley, 421 elsewhere.
   21. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 02:12 PM (#3304752)
Johan Santana is done for the year, that's possibly 2 more winnable games now against the Mets.
   22. Harveys Wallbangers  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 02:18 PM (#3304761)
Pittsburgh is getting good work from the kids. I think they have improved themselves.
   23. SoSH U at work  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 02:49 PM (#3304807)
Except Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh is a worse team than the Nationals right now.


But are the Pirates worse than the Mets?
   24. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 02:57 PM (#3304820)
Pittsburgh is getting good work from the kids. I think they have improved themselves.

Not to get cocky (far from it), but it hasn't helped them against the Cubs. They're the one team the Cubs have beaten consistently, both this season (and during this rough patch) and at least since they stole Aramis Ramirez from them.
   25. Andere Richtingen  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3304874)
Pittsburgh is getting good work from the kids. I think they have improved themselves.

Long term, yes, but you know damn well they'll trade the next generation of budding stars. I think they're annual fire sale is criminal, even if the Cubs benefit from it.

But are the Pirates worse than the Mets?

IMO, probably.
   26. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3304984)
Mariotti: "Boycott, Cubs fans".


No.
   27. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3304994)
On this date in baseball history, the 2007 New York Mets (73-55), led the second place Philadelphia Phillies (66-62) and Atlanta Braves (67-63) by 7 games in the NL East.

Also on this date in 2007, the Colorado Rockies (66-63) sat 4 1/2 games behind the wild-card leading San Diego Padres (70-58), and were trailing 3 teams (San Diego, Philadelphia, Atlanta) and tied with another (Los Angeles) in that race.

For final results, please see the 2007 National League Division Series.

EDIT: I am bad at HTML. And life.
   28. McCoy  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 06:33 PM (#3305021)
Mariotti: "Boycott, Cubs fans".

Cub's fans boycott Mariotti.
   29. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 08:44 PM (#3305176)
Down 9-1 to the Nats. God this team's pathetic!
   30. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3305187)
No ####. Way to come out with a sense of purpose in a must win game against a shitty team. Ugh.
   31. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 08:53 PM (#3305196)
4 hits all night against some hump named Garrett Mock.
   32. puck  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 09:23 PM (#3305215)
Mock has been pitching well lately, fwiw.
   33. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 09:43 PM (#3305226)
Post #27 assumed that the team wasn't going to come out and #### the bed against, er, "a team with potential for future seasons". Please disregard post #27.
   34. jwb  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM (#3305241)
Well, that's another in the loss column. This is the time of the season where watching the playoff odds on a daily basis can be like watching the Terminator's red eyes fade to black.
   35. cardsfanboy  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:20 PM (#3305286)
Umm, as a Cardinal fan I'm loving it.
   36. Dan The Mediocre  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:22 PM (#3305287)
Umm, as a Cardinal fan I'm loving it.


I'd get mad at your shadenfreude if the Cubs didn't suck so much.
   37. greenback  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:24 PM (#3305289)
cfb, you're supposed to logon to the group's Harris account to post stuff like that.
   38. Sleepy supports S.S. at second  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3305292)
For final results, please see the 2007 National League Division Series.


I liked the other one better.

Seriously, though, as a Cardinals fan, I'm really sad this hasn't turned into a pennant race for the ages. I really thought this year would be a pinnacle year for cards-cubs rivalry, and it's turned into 2008 in reverse (so far).
   39. cardsfanboy  Posted: August 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3305293)
who is harris? but I stand by my point. I had the Cubs as the most talented nl team(along with the mets) coming into this season, my definition of weakness was that they had Pinella as manager(who contrary to facts has never impressed me) this is a guy who once again as cubbiedom has shown will not be able to lead them to the promised land. The Cubs are too talented not to be a threat.... but since they have sucked so far I'm loving it. Talent wise going into the season I think the Cardinals were a close third (behind Cubs and Brewers) but thought that their professionalism will exceed expectations and having the better ownership group will help them.
   40. jwb  Posted: August 26, 2009 at 07:30 AM (#3305383)
4.20%. . .
   41. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM (#3305549)
How does this affect Chris Duncan CFB?

Thought their professionalism would exceed expectations? What a crock of ####.
   42. retro-shiite  Posted: August 26, 2009 at 10:05 AM (#3305555)
Since the trade, Duncan's no longer as good as Carlos Beltran.

All that said, I think it's safe to say this Cub team's not a contender in any way, shape or form. Last night's game was like Game 2 of last year's LDS, only against the Nationals. A colossal bedshitting.
   43. AWAChampion  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 02:39 PM (#3307921)
If LaRussa was managing the Cubs and Piniella was in charge of the Cards we know who would be in first...
   44. This Dag Nabbit in History  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 02:42 PM (#3307931)
Seriously, though, as a Cardinals fan, I'm really sad this hasn't turned into a pennant race for the ages. I really thought this year would be a pinnacle year for cards-cubs rivalry, and it's turned into 2008 in reverse (so far).

Yeah, I even researched the Top Ten Cub-Cardinal games of all-time in hopes it would make a nice article on Monday, 9/14 (there's a series later that week pitting the hottest team in baseball versus the flaming ball of poo). Now it'll have to go up in the off-season and I gotta think of something else for 9/14.
   45. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3308052)
If LaRussa was managing the Cubs and Piniella was in charge of the Cards we know who would be in first...


This is a joke, right? You think Tony LaRussa is worth 9 GAMES over Lou Pinella?

Look, all this talk about managers and chemistry and "professionalism" (for you CFB) is illusionary ########. In 2003 the Cubs finished ahead of the Cardinals. Were the Cubs "more professional", or did they have "better ownership" than the Cardinals that year? Was Dusty Baker a better manager than Tony LaRussa? What about 2007? 2008?

In 2009, The St. Louis Cardinals Professional Baseball Players have played Professional Baseball better than The Chicago Cubs Professional Baseball Players. Period.
   46. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:17 PM (#3308058)
From today's Game Chatter:

35. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:32 PM (#3308000)
Who's the first media member to say Bradley only pads his stats when the games don't matter?


Lawrence Holmes on (one of our favorite punching bag media outlets) WSCR already said it. I was listening to him while out on Tuesday night, after the Zambrano-Nationals debacle, and he said something like (poor memory paraphrase): "you watch; Milton Bradley's going to go on a tear here in September, when the games are meaningless, and he's going to finish with a .280 average and a .400 OBP, and 20 homers, and there are going to be idiots in the offseason who just look at the numbers and say 'he had a great season'."
   47. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:19 PM (#3308059)
BTW: I LOOOVED the extended Bronx cheers for Bradley whenever he caught a fly ball today, and the embarrassed silence from Len and Bob while this was going on.
   48. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:24 PM (#3308061)
I used to love Laurence Holmes when he produced Grobstein overnights. I was like 12 at the time though. As I've stated, I was kind of a weird kid.
   49. McCoy  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:26 PM (#3308065)
I can't remember if I hate Lawrence Holmes or not. Isn't he the guy who has the show that contains about 9 million rhetorical questions? I think he is the guy who says everything in the form a question and then answers himself with an I don't know. I could only listen to WSCR during the afternoon when Murph was on and I could occasionally listen to the duo that came after his show. They were occasionally funny. The night crews were pretty bad.
   50. SouthSideRyan  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:30 PM (#3308069)
That sounds like a Holmes bit. I think you're thinking of the right guy. I think his show is titled "The Me Show"
   51. Arthur Kade mows my lawn (SUBJ)  Posted: August 28, 2009 at 04:32 PM (#3308070)
I can't remember if I hate Lawrence Holmes or not. Isn't he the guy who has the show that contains about 9 million rhetorical questions? I think he is the guy who says everything in the form a question and then answers himself with an I don't know.


Donald Rumsfeld went to work in sports radio after his SecDef gig? Funny we didn't hear more about that.
   52. Anonymous Observer  Posted: September 02, 2009 at 09:56 AM (#3311978)
2.73439%. Don't give up hope! They can do it!

AO
   53. Moses Taylor has self-esteem falling out his butt  Posted: September 04, 2009 at 08:23 AM (#3314363)
How stretch update: 5-5. Lost 2 of 3 to the starts to start it off. They just gave up (or probably more accurately, just weren't good enough).
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