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   101. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:01 PM (#1735682)
Are we getting Mench? I sort of assumed this would just be Leicester for some funigble low minors guy.

A PTBNL cannot be anyone currently on a 40-man roster, so it's not Mench.

-- MWE
   102. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:02 PM (#1735685)
Now, the Cubs may be entirely reasonable in not wanting to get into a "bidding war" with two other deep-pocket teams over Brian Giles, who very well may end up being overpaid for his eventual production. But if this quote signals that the Cubs don't recognize the need for Brian Giles in their lineup, then this team is even further gone than I thought. And that's really far gone.

I agree with all of this. The Cubs would be stupid to give Giles 3/$45M if that's what other teams are offering. But that they're not even going to bother to pursue him tells me they don't realize that he is exactly what they need in the lineup - an outfielder with some pop who is likely to give them an OBP in the .400 range. Stick him 2nd in the lineup ahead of Lee and see how much better the offense is next year.

I don't know what they're planning for the outfield, but unless Hendry's brewing up something special behind the scenes I'm about ready to write off 2006 at this point. An influx of older relievers, more low OBP guys at the top of the lineup, another 600 PAs from Neifi - I watched that movie last year. And it didn't get two thumbs up.

I get the feeling that the only thing that could possibly save them is a return to form from Wood and Prior, who each throw 220 injury free innings of 130+ ERA+ baseball out of the rotation.
   103. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:04 PM (#1735691)
He gave Neifi a 2 year, $5mm deal -- what do you think?

Personally, I suspect he's lost his way. When things go badly, it's easy to lose confidence in basic decision-making principles, even when those principles are based on sound reasoning and adherence to them had nothing to do with the bad outcome. While in his tenure as GM Hendry has mostly ignored the drumbeat for team speed (probably to a fault in some previous years), he is over-reacting now, and apparently missing the point as to what was really wrong at the top of the order last season (.299 OBA in the leadoff spot, .314 in the number two spot, with the one guy who was responsible for #2 being as good as it was likely to be traded or moved deep in the order).
   104. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:08 PM (#1735699)
A PTBNL cannot be anyone currently on a 40-man roster, so it's not Mench.

Actually, that's not quite true; the PTBNL must change leagues, so an AL team like Texas could, in theory, trade Mench for Leicester. Usually, though, it's a minor leaguer involved.

-- MWE
   105. Sweet Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:22 PM (#1735726)
AZ Phil, one of the few sane voices left over at The Cub Reporter, notes that 40-man rosters are due to be finalized on Saturday. He thinks that the Leicester trade was made primarily to clear space, and that we should expect a few similar moves today or tomorrow. He targets Mitre and Wellemeyer for departure, and predicts the following moves.

DROP FROM 40-MAN:
Richard Lewis
Russ Rohlicek
Ryan Theriot

ADD TO 40-MAN:
Bobby Brownlie
Carlos Marmol
Sean Marshall
Ricky Nolasco
Felix Pie
Jae-kuk Ryu

These look pretty reasonable to me. I do wonder about the utility of trading guys like Leicester and Wellemeyer for minor-league fodder as opposed to including them in a larger deal as just a touch of sweetener. I'd expect that if Mitre gets traded, he'd bring an actual return. His GB/FB ratio would make him a great fit for the Reds, perhaps as part of a deal for Kearns.
   106. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 17, 2005 at 06:44 PM (#1735770)
Carlos Marmol

He doesn't have to be added to the 40 man roster yet, does he?
   107. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 17, 2005 at 07:52 PM (#1735900)
If the Cubs have an outfield like Mench/Pierre/Encarnacion, with Furcal/Perez/Walker/Cedeno manning the 2 MI spots . . .

and the Devil Rays pick up a legitimate (not outstanding) SP . . .

I predict the Devil Rays will finish with a better record than the Cubs.
   108. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 17, 2005 at 08:38 PM (#1736016)
If the Cubs have an outfield like Mench/Pierre/Encarnacion, with Furcal/Perez/Walker/Cedeno manning the 2 MI spots . . .

and the Devil Rays pick up a legitimate (not outstanding) SP . . .

I predict the Devil Rays will finish with a better record than the Cubs.


As much as I like the DRays, I'd take that bet. Why do you keep bringing up Encarnacion? Are the Marlines trying to trade us their whole OF?
   109. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1736087)
Isn't Encarnacion a FA? I only bring him up because he seems like the kind of mediocrity that Hendry might be interested in. You can substitute any similar OF in his place (or Mench's), and I'd still be tempted to make that prediction.

Much depends on the second half of that condition (the D-Rays getting a SP), of course.
   110. Gern Blanston Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:22 PM (#1736100)
I predict the Indians will have a better record than either of them.
   111. Gern Blanston Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:22 PM (#1736104)
In case you're wondering, I'm also pretty good at predicting sunrises.
   112. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 17, 2005 at 09:41 PM (#1736165)
I predict the Indians will have a better record than either of them.

Talk about going out on a limb.

I predict... that the Yankees will have a higher payroll than the Royals.
   113. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 17, 2005 at 11:33 PM (#1736402)
Carlos Marmol

He doesn't have to be added to the 40 man roster yet, does he?


According to The Baseball Cube, Marmol was signed in 1999 at 16 or 17, and this would be the fourth draft since he started his pro career in 2003, so yes, he would be Rule 5 eligible.
   114. Gern Blanston Posted: November 18, 2005 at 02:25 AM (#1736559)
Eyre to the Cubs. 2 years, player option for a third year. Meh.
   115. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 03:41 AM (#1736603)
Eyre to the Cubs. 2 years, player option for a third year. Meh.

Ugh. I guess until we know the money it's hard to say, but coming off the year he had I'm guessing this isn't cheap. He probably got at least Rusch money - $3M per. Call it maybe 2 years/$6M, with a $4M player option for 2008.

Unless they got him at a bargain basement price, it's a stupid signing. They've got a million arms at AAA and in Chicago last year who could do Eyre's job in the bullpen, and it also means that once again they've been focusing on bailing water out of the rowboat while the Titanic is sinking around them.

Is no one on the Cubs concerned that the starting outfield, at this point, would be Murton-Patterson-Hairston? Stop signing relievers and useless utility infielders to multimillion dollar contracts and start going after the things the team needs.
   116. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 18, 2005 at 04:15 AM (#1736649)
They have to be kidding me. Does Mike Remlinger ring a bell?

Eyre had a good year, but (a) it's the best season of his career and (b) even then, it doesn't stack up to Remlinger's track record at that time of his deal.

This is just stupid, especially when you realize that the Cubs will very soon (if not already) say they won't spend the money that Giles is seeking.
   117. Sweet Posted: November 18, 2005 at 05:03 AM (#1736691)
Reposted from the Eyre thread:

Best guess as to Cubs' Opening Day bullpen:

Dempster (R) - the Closer
Williamson (R) - great peripherals, crappy ERA in small sample last year
Wuertz (R) -- solid last year
Novoa (R) -- showed flashes, but inconsistent
Rusch (L) / Williams (R) -- whoever loses the rotation roulette
Ohman (L) -- very effective LOOGY last year
Eyre (L) -- wealthy

Total salary of roughly $13-15 million in 2006 (varies with Rusch/Williams). That actually doesn't seem terrible for a large-market team. Of course, this group could suck, and in any event, their performance could probably be replicated for about half the cost.

Odd men out:

Hill (L) -- projects as a starter; may be more valuable as trade bait
Mitre (R) -- ditto
Van Buren (R) -- could be a real loss; definitely deserves a shot
Koronka (L) -- pitched well in AFL but hasn't shown much in bigs
Wellemeyer (R) -- had his chance; likely to waived or traded a la Leicester
   118. Sweet Posted: November 18, 2005 at 05:10 AM (#1736701)
Er, maybe that bullpen isn't so set after all. From the Cubs.com story:

Hendry still has other areas to address. He said the Cubs may add another reliever, most likely right-handed, and it could be through a trade.

"We'd like to have enough inventory of quality people on the pitching staff that we have excess," Hendry said.

The Cubs are still talking to representatives for free agent shortstop Rafael Furcal and Hendry said the team also is interested in adding a starting pitcher.

"We're also looking into other possibilities to help our ballclub, maybe closer to the Winter Meetings as far as possible trades go," Hendry said. "We would not be opposed to adding another starter in the right situation."

"Bullpen . . . starting pitching . . . infield . . . . now what part of the team am I forgetting?" Hendry did not add. "Well, if I can't think of it, it must not be that important. Now, where did I put Macias's number?"
   119. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 06:09 AM (#1736776)
Stop. Adding. Relievers. Enough already!

You don't need a good bullpen when your lineup can't score more than 2 runs a game. Bullpens are wasted on teams that aren't ever in the lead.

And a starter? As far as I can tell, the Cubs already have Prior, Zambrano, Maddux, Williams, Wood (if healthy), and Rusch - that's 6. Plus guys like Hill and Mitre to fill in if needed. If they add a cheap starter, he's likely going to be no better than those last 4-5 choices. And if they add an expensive starter, that's just more money that can't go toward fixing all the offensive problems.

They're going to end up pricing themselves right out of the Furcal market, and then we will be looking at the Neifi/Walker infield again (with Cedeno probably platooning with Walker vs LHP).

It's almost like he's setting the 2006 Cubs up to fail. Maybe that's the master plan - put together a team that can't win more than 70 games, hem and haw about the managerial extension, and then can him at the end of the year when the team finishes 69-93 and in 5th place in the NL Central.
   120. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 18, 2005 at 06:47 AM (#1736807)
I can understand stocking up on pitchers at the expense of hitters, but only if the pitchers are truly premium -- going the route of the '65 Dodgers or even this year's White Sox.

Glendon Rusch and Scott Eyre ain't it, however, so when an already offense-lacking team threatens to take the bats to newfound lows, it's sad indeed.
   121. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 07:42 AM (#1736817)
I can understand stocking up on pitchers at the expense of hitters, but only if the pitchers are truly premium -- going the route of the '65 Dodgers or even this year's White Sox.

Oh, absolutely. If Hendry wants to focus on pitching because he's going to bring in a #1 guy for the rotation, then I'm all for it. But more likely than not, it'll be some back of the rotation guy to act either as the #5 or as insurance if Wood isn't healthy and/or Williams doesn't pan out.
   122. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 18, 2005 at 12:10 PM (#1736864)
Eyre to the Cubs. 2 years, player option for a third year. Meh.

Retail Hendry strikes again!

I actually like Eyre as a pitcher who gives up too many walks but seems pretty good at preventing HR for a flyball pitcher, which hopefully will continue as he faces righties in Wrigley. Overall he's a nice addition. But a three year commitment?
   123. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 18, 2005 at 01:13 PM (#1736887)
But that they're not even going to bother to pursue him tells me they don't realize that he is exactly what they need in the lineup - an outfielder with some pop who is likely to give them an OBP in the .400 range. Stick him 2nd in the lineup ahead of Lee and see how much better the offense is next year.

Except you just know Dusty will bat him 5th so as to protect Lee and Ramirez.
   124. Dan The Mediocre Posted: November 18, 2005 at 01:42 PM (#1736898)
Did the Cubs sign Ed Wade as an advisor to Hendry?
   125. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 01:48 PM (#1736901)
Except you just know Dusty will bat him 5th so as to protect Lee and Ramirez.

Obviously. He's too old and slow to hit at the top of the order, just like Walker was.

The top of the order has to be either Pierre or Patterson, and either Neifi or Furcal. They have speed, and that's all that matters. Giles would just walk a lot and clog up the bases ahead of Lee.
   126. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 18, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1736910)
The top of the order has to be either Pierre or Patterson, and either Neifi or Furcal. They have speed, and that's all that matters. Giles would just walk a lot and clog up the bases ahead of Lee.

Of course, Giles stole more bases than Perez did last year and is a better baserunner, but we all know such facts aren't going to get in the way of the opposite perception.

Neifi = banjo-hitting shortstop = fast.

Giles = power-hitting corner OF = slow.
   127. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 03:10 PM (#1736991)
To Eyre is human.
   128. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 18, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1737043)
Unreal.
   129. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 18, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1737155)
4th place in 2006?

What's amazing to me is that the 79 win team from last year boasted probably one player who will be helped by regression to the mean. That player would be Patterson - and he won't be on this team next year. Lee, Ramirez, Dempster, Murton, Barrett, and Neifi will all probably perform worse than last season. Significantly worse in some cases. Scott Eyre isn't helping the trend either.

What could improve from '05 to '06? More production from Wood? I wouldn't bet on it. A better season from Prior? Seems likely but that's only worth a couple of wins. Perhaps the outfield will be better but I don't see how a Jacque Jones would be preferable to Burnitz, I don't see Juan Pierre as adding that much, and a full season of Murton in left will help but I doubt he'll beat those rate stats from last year.

There is a good chance that the Cubs will not equal last season's win total, IMO.
   130. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 05:51 PM (#1737294)
I'll put you down for 78 wins in the prediction contest, Pops.
   131. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 18, 2005 at 06:41 PM (#1737380)
I'll put you down for 78 wins in the prediction contest, Pops.

That may be a tad high depending on how the rest of the offseason goes.
   132. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 11:51 PM (#1737952)
Cubs purchased the contracts of OF Felix Pie, 1B Brian Dopirak, 3B Scott Moore, C Jose Reyes, RHP Carlos Marmol, LHP Sean Marshall, RHP Ricky Nolasco and RHP Jae Kuk Ryu.

No Brandon Sing comes as a surprise. He doesn't fit into the Cubs' plans, but he's too good of a prospect to lose for nothing. Also missing are injured right-handers Billy Petrick and Chadd Blasko, as well as 2002 first-round pick Bobby Brownlie. Nov. 18 - 5:57 pm et


I won't be shocked if Petrick, Blasko and Sing get taked in the rule 5.
   133. Sweet Posted: November 18, 2005 at 11:52 PM (#1737953)
Cubs have finalized their 40-man roster:

DROPPED:

Fontenot (outrighted to Iowa)
Lewis (same)
Rohlicek (same)
Greenberg (DFA'd)

ADDED:

Pie
Nolasco
Ryu
Marmol
Marshall
Reyes (AA catcher; a little surprising)
Dopirak (probably not necessary, but understandable)
Moore (ditto; closer to majors than Dopirak)

ROSTER:

Aardsma
Dempster
Eyre
Guzman
Hill
Koronka
Maddux
Marmol
Marshall
Mitre
Nolasco
Novoa
Ohman
Pinto
Prior
Rusch
Ryu
Van Buren
Wellemeyer
Williams
Williamson
Wood
Wuertz
Zambrano

Barrett
Blanco
Soto
Reyes

Cedeno
Dopirak
Hairston
Lee
Macias
Moore
Perez
Ramirez
Theriot
Walker

Murton
Patterson
Pie

***

Hm. That's 41. Who shouldn't be there? Wellemeyer? Theriot? Macias? The Cubs have to be the only team with as few as three OFers on their 40-man roster.

Anyway, I'm a little surprised that Fontenot and Greenberg weren't protected, since they are two of the Cubs' best OBP guys in the minors. Nevermind, I'm not surprised. Wouldn't be too surprised to see a team like Oakland pick one of them as bench fodder.
   134. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 18, 2005 at 11:54 PM (#1737960)
Hm. That's 41. Who shouldn't be there? Wellemeyer? Theriot? Macias?

I believe Macias is a FA.
   135. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: November 18, 2005 at 11:56 PM (#1737966)
Cubs sent 2B Mike Fontenot, 2B Richard Lewis and LHP Russ Rohlicek outright to Triple-A Iowa.

Fontenot had a decent year, hitting .272/.377/.430 for Iowa, and he's just 25 years old. He wouldn't have been a bad use of a waiver claim. Lewis, on the other hand, looked like a better prospect than Fontenot a year ago, but had a disastrous 2005, hitting .222/.299/.312. The Cubs don't have plans for either. Nov. 18 - 6:45 pm et

Cubs designated outfielder Adam Greenberg for assignment.

Greenberg had his 2005 season ended by the first pitch he saw as a major leaguer, getting beaned by Valerio De Los Santos. He was hitting .269/.386/.407 in Double-A before being called up, and he's just 24. One of the teams that values OBP could grab him. Nov. 18 - 6:50 pm et


greenberg? why?
   136. Sweet Posted: November 18, 2005 at 11:57 PM (#1737968)
Is Sing eligible for the Rule V draft? If so, I agree that he should have been protected. Even if he is a butcher in the field, he destroyed AA pitching last year and could have been flipped for something that "fits into the Cubs plans," which apparently don't include any space for corner outfielders who can mash.
   137. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1737981)
This is going to be another disaster. I think Sing has a chance to be a decent major leaguer and Brownlie can help somebody's bullpen.

Why they would choose to protect Theriot, Soto and Koronka is anybody's guess.
   138. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1737982)
Sing would probably help an AL team looking for a DH/1B type. Greenberg is a white guy who walks too much for Dusty's taste and clogs up the bases. I can see why he was let go.

Also, does anyone think a team would've claimed Dopirak? The guy had an awful year, and he's nowhere near ready to be in the majors...
   139. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:03 AM (#1737984)
I take that back, Soto's not so bad.

I stand by my comments on the other two.
   140. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:04 AM (#1737986)
The Cubbies really seem poised to get robbed in this year's rule 5. Too bad that the Dbacks already have far too many 1b types on their team, and far too many injured pitching prospects. A few teams are certain to look at the bounty the Cubs left out.
   141. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:04 AM (#1737987)
I believe Sing has been eligible for Rule 5 for a few years now.
   142. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1737995)
Greenberg is a white guy who walks too much for Dusty's taste and clogs up the bases. I can see why he was let go.

He couldn't beat Paul Bako in a home run contest and he can't play center field. He's no loss.

I believe Sing has been eligible for Rule 5 for a few years now.

Yeah, he's up there in years. He'll be 25 next year. I don't understand why the Cubs wouldn't even let him up to Iowa last season. Was it really more important to give the ABs to David Kelton?
   143. Sweet Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:11 AM (#1738003)
Soto's young and his defense is reportedly good. He's basically Jose Reyes a year later; given the low likelihood of success for any minor-league catcher, keeping an ample supply seems defensible.

I would have dropped Theriot in favor of Fontenot, but Theriot has the nominal advantage of having played SS and (maybe?) CF. Plus, he's The Riot.

Koronka's a mystery to me, except that he caters to Hendry's fetish for lefties. I saw him pitch at Dodger Stadium this year and can attest that, at least on that night, he wasn't fooling many people. I would certainly have protected Sing over him (and over Dopirak, and probably over Moore).

Can teams trade unprotected players between now and the Rule V draft? I assume so, but I know shockingly little about the mechanics involved here.

Also, MLB.com's free agent tracker doesn't include Macias, although I thought he was an FA as well.
   144. Sweet Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1738026)
Grrr . . . I'm getting increasingly frustrated at the choices made here. And I'm really going to be pissed when Sing is selected in the Rule V draft, Lee tweaks a hammy in late May, and Hendry trades Cedeno and Guzman for J.T. Snow or Tony Clark.

Serenity . . . now. No more from me on this for a while.
   145. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:32 AM (#1738035)
Cubs have finalized their 40-man roster:

I threadjacked the latest Eyre thread to add my thoughts, but I'll summarize --

1. I have no idea why they added a 4th catcher to the 40-man. There is nothing spectacular about Reyes, to my knowledge, and to think that keeping him (and others) may be leaving off Sing or Brownlie is bizarre.

2. To my knowledge, Macias is not a FA -- he doesn't have the service time. He is arb-eligible, however, and the thought that the Cubs haven't released him to make room for these kids kills me in several ways -- one of which being the fact that it may signal that the Cubs will renew his deal/offer arbitration.

3. I agree with Pops that Theriot and Koronka should go, but I'd rather they kept Soto. Still, my greater point is that they only need three catchers and certainly don't need Soto *and* Reyes.

4. As Christina Kahrl pointed out in today's BPro, this is even more reason to question the Neifi deal -- not only was it bad in and of itself, but the timing is even worse. Did they really need to resign Neifi last week, *before* the 40-man crunch? Couldn't they have held off a few weeks? It can't be that they were worried about Neifi's phone ringing off the hook.
   146. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 19, 2005 at 01:16 PM (#1738439)
Yeah, he's up there in years. He'll be 25 next year. I don't understand why the Cubs wouldn't even let him up to Iowa last season. Was it really more important to give the ABs to David Kelton?

Right or wrong, I'm guessing the toolsier Kelton was perceived as being a better bet for breakout or trade than Sing. I think the perception is that Sing is a AAA bat with no defensive value whatsoever, and I'm not sure that perception is wrong. I don't remember what the rules are for AAA Rule 5 -- maybe he would go in that -- but I don't think he's going anywhere in the major league Rule 5. It's one thing to pick a SS or C up like Sing and stick him on your major league roster all year, but a 1B/DH type with a bad defensive rep?

To my knowledge, Macias is not a FA -- he doesn't have the service time. He is arb-eligible, however, and the thought that the Cubs haven't released him to make room for these kids kills me in several ways -- one of which being the fact that it may signal that the Cubs will renew his deal/offer arbitration.

Yep, I think you're right. Anyway, the only one that really kills me is Fontenot, a first round draft choice who could well have turned the corner.

Fact is though, Hendry wants a guy like Macias on the roster because of his flexibility.

It can't be that they were worried about Neifi's phone ringing off the hook.

Oh, I think they were worried about exactly that.
   147. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 03:29 PM (#1738501)
I made the same point in the other thready, and if we could get a 40 man roster thread, this would make things a lot less confusing, but Neifi's spot on the roster was going to be taken up eventually, so it had to be open for him. If they waited til after Rule 5, whoever was removed from the roster, would pretty much assuredly be gone since there would be no 25 man roster requirement on them at that point. unless you're arguing to wait until Mid-March and sign Neifi while slipping somebody thru waivers, but then again, that's not legal.
   148. Dan The Mediocre Posted: November 19, 2005 at 05:33 PM (#1738630)
According to rumors, we're about to sign Furcal. But if we sign Furcal, what happens to Cedeno? Does he get traded for more middle relievers?
   149. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:03 PM (#1738659)
According to rumors, we're about to sign Furcal. But if we sign Furcal, what happens to Cedeno? Does he get traded for more middle relievers?

I suppose that's one possibility, but my guess is that Hendry wants to hold onto Cedeno. If he does, of course, the DAD pattern will go into effect. Hopefully, Hendry does trade Cedeno now while he has some value, rather than exposing him to Dusty's spurned stepchild treatment and then making a late season salvage trade.
   150. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:06 PM (#1738663)
If the Cubs sign Furcal, Walker gets traded. Cedeno and Neifi play 2b (we all know what that means).

Walker for Mench? Patterson for Pierre? The latest Rothensal thread says the Cubs would be interested in Abreu and are also interested in Vasquez.

I need to go start drinking already, I am feeling some weird right now. I think it's optimism (and it's completely unfounded).
   151. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1738670)
FWIW, I can't believe that Abreu is any more available than Dunn is (I don't see either getting dealt).
   152. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 19, 2005 at 10:36 PM (#1738829)
If they waited til after Rule 5, whoever was removed from the roster, would pretty much assuredly be gone since there would be no 25 man roster requirement on them at that point. unless you're arguing to wait until Mid-March and sign Neifi while slipping somebody thru waivers, but then again, that's not legal.

Yeah, it would be a real shame if the Cubs gave Jose Macias his walking papers.
   153. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 11:56 PM (#1738892)
And that's entirely not my point. My point is that Kahrl was saying it was dumb becasue they didn't wait to sign Neifi. Nobody disputes that it's dumb to sign Neifi in the first place.

And I really do think Macias is gone after his inability to "catch the ball" in CF and the fact that there are suspicously 41 guys on the 40 man roster.
   154. Neil M Posted: November 20, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1738894)
there are suspicously 41 guys on the 40 man roster.

Isn't Kerry Wood on the 60-day DL? Or does that only apply in season?
   155. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 20, 2005 at 12:25 AM (#1738912)
Pretty sure guys are removed from the DL at the end of the season.
   156. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 20, 2005 at 12:29 AM (#1738916)
And that's entirely not my point. My point is that Kahrl was saying it was dumb becasue they didn't wait to sign Neifi. Nobody disputes that it's dumb to sign Neifi in the first place.

It was dumb not to wait. The risk of not signing someone like Neifi now -- and we're talking about signing a guy who was released a little over a year ago to a two year deal at a significant price -- is possibly losing rights to Jose Macias. BFD. They signed Neifi to the kind of contract you make when you're backed into a corner, and the Cubs weren't backed into a corner, and were and are in fact intensely pursuing Rafael Furcal. They should have waited to see how the Furcal thing turned out, and if Neifi were still available and they thought they needed him, fine, no loss in losing the rights to Macias. Signing him now means someone else (Fontenot, most relevantly) is potentially shown the door, and if the Cubs do land Furcal, they're possibly going to let Walker go for Neifi's sake.
   157. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 20, 2005 at 01:12 AM (#1738964)
You're judging this based on the logical assumptions of what the Cubs should do, and nobody seems to be able to separate what the Cubs should do and the logic in what they actually did do when it comes to the numbers game. NEIFI WAS GOING TO BE SIGNED. HE WAS GOING TO TAKE UP A 40 MAN ROSTER SPOT. IT DID NOT MATTER WHEN HE WAS SIGNED.

Signing Neifi in the first place is more than welcome to criticism, but as I keep saying, the timing of his signing is completely irrelevant.

Fontenot is shown the door because Neifi(along with 39 others) was valued more, not because Neifi was signed before December 9th.
   158. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 20, 2005 at 03:31 PM (#1739445)
Signing Neifi in the first place is more than welcome to criticism, but as I keep saying, the timing of his signing is completely irrelevant.

You're right that the primary problem is that signing Neifi at all was a bad idea. However, there is a timing issue that might be subtle but it's real.. I disagree with the basic premise that there was a certainty that the Cubs would sign Neifi for two years, or at all if they were to acquire Furcal. You're right that the main problem isn't that they lose a space on the 40 and cause exposure to Rule 5 (although they could probably get around that on the sly), because they have to give Neifi someone's spot sometime, but that's not the whole story.

Option 1: Sign Neifi before 40-man rosters are established. Therefore, Neifi gets a roster spot at someone else's expense. That player is exposed to Rule 5, or released. No FA market is tested for Neifi so the Cubs pay a premium price to lock him up, probably close to what he asked for.

Option 2: Wait until after rosters are established and the Cubs get a bead on 1) the Furcal situation and 2) market interest in Neifi. This allows them to protect another player from Rule 5, and yes, this is temporary since if they do decide to sign Neifi, they have to drop someone. But by waiting, Hendry gives himself a bit more flexibility in dealing with an unstable situation, and I see NO advantage to signing Neifi early.

I'm sick of this "The Cubs were forced to do X, because of contingency Y" thinking that dominates their roster planning. Hendry is always backing himself into corners by doing a poor job of prioritizing his off-season moves, and this is yet another example. He never takes the "get the best player, then work out the other details" tactic -- it's always the other way around. It's not just thinking that signing Neifi is a good idea, it's thinking that the first piece he had to get into place was Neifi. Neifi is a "just good enough" option, and yes, you are right that Hendry (apparently) thinking he's more than that is a root of the problem. But surely, Hendry had no reason to think he had to rush into signing him.
   159. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 20, 2005 at 07:16 PM (#1739681)
Here's another thing -- given the fact that the Cubs are clearly interested in Furcal *and* the fact that they added enough guys to fill up their 40-man roster, they clearly intend to be exposing *someone* to waivers at a future date (in order to facilitate adding Furcal).

That future waiver candidate -- call him Player X -- was kept on the 40-man roster either because the Cubs were stupid (in the case of Macias) or because they didn't want to expose him to the Rule 5 draft (or both).

If that's the case, and considering that the Cubs saw the need for roster flexibility right now, why not work a "gentlemens agreement" as Kahrl suggests, that would allow them to protect an additional guy?

What the Cubs are doing is allowing a guy like Sing to be claimed in Rule 5 and hoping to expose Player X to waivers at a later date. Why not hold off on signing Neifi, add Sing to the 40-man, and then move Sing and Player X off when the FA market picks up and other teams will be similarly shuttling players on/off their rosters?
   160. Sweet Posted: November 21, 2005 at 12:25 AM (#1739924)
Purely to change the subject, from the Licey Tigers website:

Aramis Ramírez no descarta jugar con Licey (19/11/05)

Por Dionisio Soldevila

SANTO DOMINGO (Nov 19)El antesalista dominicano Aramis Ramírez está en el proceso de rehabilitación de una lesión en una de sus piernas que lo sacó de juego cerca de un mes antes de finalizar la temporada de las Grandes Ligas. Pero eso no impide que el talentoso peloteros mantenga su intención de ver acción en la pelota dominicana, con su equipo los Tigres del Licey.

“Tú sabes que tengo una lesión en la pierna, pero ya estoy trabajando y si estoy listo, voy a jugar este invierno con los Tigres”, dijo Ramírez a redactores de Hoy durante su visita junto a Neifi Pérez y Félix Martínez a las oficinas del Fiscal del Distrito José Manuel Hernández Peguero apoyando una marcha por la paz programada para este domingo.

Ramírez explicó que si le da el tiempo para estar sano va a uniformarse con los Tigres.

“Yo quiero jugar en el Clásico Mundial de Béisbol y todo el que tiene la intención de hacerlo debe jugar en el invierno”, manifestó Ramírez.

El Clásico Mundial de Béisbol se jugará en el mes de marzo del 2006 y la República Dominicana es desde ya uno de los favoritos para ganar el evento en su primera edición.

Sin embargo, y al igual que ha sucedido con varios estelares de Grandes Ligas, nadie de la gerencia dominicana se ha puesto en contacto con el antesalista.
“Nadie me ha llamado de aquí todavía. Solamente he hablado con la gente de la oficina de la MLB y también con la gente del sindicato, pero estamos disponibles, si la salud nos lo permite”, manifestó el caballeroso jugador


Translated by Google:

The Dominican antesalista Aramis Ramirez is in the process of rehabilitation of an injury in one of its legs that removed it from game near a month before finalizing the season of the Great Leagues. But that does not prevent that talented the peloteros maintain their intention to see action in the Dominican ball, with its equipment the Tigers of the Licey. "You know that I have an injury in the leg, but already I am working and if I am ready, I am going to play this winter with the Tigers", said to Ramirez to editors of Today during its visit next to Neifi Perez and Felix Martinez the offices of the Public prosecutor of the District Jose Manuel Hernandez Peguero supporting a march by La Paz programmed for this Sunday. Ramirez explained that if gives the time him to be healthy it is going to uniform itself with the Tigers. "I want to play in Classic the World-wide one of Baseball and all the one that has the intention to do it must play in the winter", showed Ramirez. Classic the World-wide one of Baseball will gamble in the month of March of the 2006 and the Dominican Republic is from already one of the favorites to gain the event in his first edition. Nevertheless, and like it has happened to several stellar ones of Great Leagues, nobody of the Dominican management has been put in contact with the antesalista. "Nobody has called to me of here still. I have only spoken with the people of the office of the MLB and also with the people of the union, but we are available, if the health us allows it ", showed the noble player.
   161. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 21, 2005 at 02:03 AM (#1740047)
Why not hold off on signing Neifi, add Sing to the 40-man, and then move Sing and Player X off when the FA market picks up and other teams will be similarly shuttling players on/off their rosters?

So compound the dumb move of exposing a player to waivers for no reason by exposing 2 players to waivers?

I'm assuming there's some trades coming as the way to rid some people off the 40 man. Hendry is truly gone if he thinks it makes sense to not risk a guy getting taken and sticking on a 25 man roster all year(Rule 5), yet thinks the risk of a guy stickign on a 40 man roster all year is no problem.(Waiving)
   162. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 21, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1740477)
So compound the dumb move of exposing a player to waivers for no reason by exposing 2 players to waivers?

You're missing this key point (from djf's post):
Why not hold off on signing Neifi, add Sing to the 40-man, and then move Sing and Player X off when the FA market picks up and other teams will be similarly shuttling players on/off their rosters?


Every team will be doing that during FA. Is it a coincidence that this happenned to Hendry last year too but doesn't seem to be an issue with other teams?
   163. Sweet Posted: November 21, 2005 at 05:45 PM (#1740804)
John Sickels has posted his review of the 2005 performance of his preseasion top 20 Cubs prospects. Pretty bleak:

Link

I've asked Mike Emeigh to put up a thread in Notes in a Minor Key.
   164. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 21, 2005 at 05:58 PM (#1740827)
The hitters all have patience issues and the pitchers all have control issues. This team does not generate polished players.
   165. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 21, 2005 at 08:19 PM (#1741081)
By the way, has anyone gotten to the bottom of the 40-man mystery yet? Was Moore added? If so, who was dropped (or do they have an improper 41-man roster)?
   166. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 21, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1741180)
Stone is on the Score now. In response to Boers's question "what will the Cubs do if they don't get Furcal?," Stone is opining that --

Cedeno would play SS
Walker would play 2B
Murton would play LF.

Stone is almost as delusional as Hendry.
   167. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 21, 2005 at 10:17 PM (#1741329)
Every team will be doing that during FA.

They will? I don't think waiving guys mid-offseason is very common at all. Other than clearing guys off towards the end of ST for a NRI, I can't think of a single example of this.
   168. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 21, 2005 at 10:38 PM (#1741377)
I wouldn't say it's common, but it's not rare either. Here are a snippet of the White Sox moves last offseason:

12/13: Traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, released Dan Wright
12/14: DFA Ryan Meaux
12/16: Resigned Uribe
12/17: DFA Eduardo Villacis, claimed Jenks off waivers, resigned Perez
1/6: Signed Pierzynski, DFA Jamie Burke
1/14: Outrighted Burke, resigned Rowand
1/27: Signed Iguchi
1/28: DFA Jason Grilli

There is another important thing to consider as well -- the non-tender date. I'd like to harbor some hope, for instance, that the Cubs might decide to non-tender Macias (heck, I wouldn't be shocked if they non-tendered Patterson too). At that point, the roster would be reduced by a spot or two, which would free up space had they worked out a standstill/gentlemens agreement with Neifi.
   169. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 21, 2005 at 10:50 PM (#1741392)
Wow, didn't realize that happened that often. I just remember Hendry leaving open a hell of a lot of spots last year for that very reason so he wouldn't have to DFA guys. I believe all of those guys DFAd by the Sox were already on the roster, not added in the offseason(Not positive on Villacis though)

It just doesn't make sense to me that if a team was interested enough to stash a guy on their 25 man roster all year, why they wouldn't find a way to squeeze them on to their 40 man when they're DFAd.

For guys already on the 40 man, (For example a Theriot or Koronka for the Cubs) there's no harm in waiting to see who you sign first to see if you have to DFA them as they're already on the roster. But to add a guy only to DFA him a month later makes no sense.

Looking back over that, I'm not sure I'm communicating my point very well. I'll have to try this again later.
   170. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 21, 2005 at 11:08 PM (#1741422)
Wow, didn't realize that happened that often.

I don't know if it does -- other orgs may not be the same way. For instance, it should be noted in the White Sox transactions that they snagged Bobby Jenks when the Angels tried to pass him through waivers last December.

I guess what makes me wonder about all this is that the Cubs cannot be the only team with these issues. Somehow, other teams manage to both protect the guys they want/need to and also pare the roster down enough for them to do so -- both to the point of allowing them to pursue FAs as well as to even make Rule 5 selections from other teams. The Cubs cannot be the only team feeling a crunch.

One thing I overlooked until about 30 mins ago was the non-tender issue -- I suppose it will also be possible for the Cubs to free up space that way as well. (For instance, they could have postponed Neifi, protected Sing, then non-tendered Macias next month and resigned Neifi at that point.) I don't know why they wouldn't simply release Macias now (rather than holding a spot for him now only to be non-tendered in a few weeks), but who knows.
   171. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 22, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1741502)
I keep thinking Macias is the 41st guy and will be released before the Rule 5 draft, I just have no idea why it hasn't happened yet. I really wish somebody with some sort of knowledge would figure out that 41 man roster problem.
   172. Sweet Posted: November 22, 2005 at 12:57 AM (#1741581)
By the way, has anyone gotten to the bottom of the 40-man mystery yet? Was Moore added? If so, who was dropped (or do they have an improper 41-man roster)?

I've e-mailed Carrie Muskat about this. I'll post any response.
   173. Gern Blanston Posted: November 22, 2005 at 03:17 AM (#1741841)
I don't know why they wouldn't simply release Macias now (rather than holding a spot for him now only to be non-tendered in a few weeks), but who knows.

Hm. To drive up his trade value? (Kidding, of course, but who knows--after all, the Cubs got him by trade in the first place...)
   174. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 22, 2005 at 06:36 AM (#1742043)
I've e-mailed Carrie Muskat about this. I'll post any response.

So did I and I will also post any response.
   175. Gern Blanston Posted: November 22, 2005 at 04:38 PM (#1742408)
3 years, $12M for Howry's the word on the street. Yikes.
   176. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 22, 2005 at 04:55 PM (#1742441)
3 years, $12M for Howry's the word on the street. Yikes.

For the Cubs? How, that doesn't make any sense? Is Hendry gonna trade Wuertz and Ohman for Pierre? WTF?
   177. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 22, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1742443)
Because when you are sporting an outfield of Murton/Patterson/Hairston with Perez at shortstop, and it looks like you might be losing hope on the star FA you are targeting, overpaying for aging set-up men is the team's top priority.
   178. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 22, 2005 at 04:59 PM (#1742448)
Bruce Miles just posted at nsbb.com that the 40 man issue is that the formality of adding Eyre to the 40 man hasn't quite gone through yet, so sometime soon a move will be made. Thinking it through now, I'm less optimistic the move will be releasing Macias.
   179. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 22, 2005 at 05:05 PM (#1742459)
What? Howry?

If they sign him, it will mean the Cubs, to sign relievers (Rusch, Howry, Eyre, and Dempster) and Neifi, spent about $18M of their $30M this year in payroll flexibility "fixing" the bullpen and locking up Captain Useless.

They're just about to price themselves right out of the Furcal market, and we STILL HAVE ONLY TWO #### OUTFIELDERS ON THE #### #### ROSTER, one of whom sucked so badly last year that he had to be sent to AAA. Murton/Patterson/Hairston... wow. Just wow.

I predict the next signing after this one will be... Billy Wagner. 3/$30M, so Dempster can be the setup guy. It'll be the shiniest, veteraniest, bestest bullpen ever. The Cubs won't ever have a lead, so the bullpen will be pretty much useless. But man can Dusty crow about how much better it is not to be stuck using those kids again.

Then we can trade Wuertz, Ohman, Hill, Mitre, Brownlie, Leicester, Wellemeyer, Guzman, Nolasco, and Gallagher to Arizona for Shawn Green. Boo youth! Yay old!
   180. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 22, 2005 at 05:05 PM (#1742460)
Here's the story about Howry. Relevant paragraph:

Howry was said yesterday to be nearing a deal with those same Chicago Cubs -- a three-year contract worth more than the $11 million the Cubs gave to Eyre.


It's from a NY paper, and it's just an aside. I want to see I'll believe it when I see it, but...
   181. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 22, 2005 at 05:16 PM (#1742484)
Bruce Miles just posted at nsbb.com that the 40 man issue is that the formality of adding Eyre to the 40 man hasn't quite gone through yet, so sometime soon a move will be made. Thinking it through now, I'm less optimistic the move will be releasing Macias.

There are 50 ways to drop Macias. He's eligible for arbitration, but the price is not going to be far off from what he got this year. They could release him when they add Eyre, or they could not offer him arbitration, or they could come to terms with him after offering arb, and then trade him. We give Hendry a hard time about Macias but I think a lot of teams would take him as a minor throw-in in a trade, so I wouldn't get too upset about it if he were offered arbitration. Of course, it would be ridiculous if Macias were on the major league club next season, but I'm not going to be upset if that happens either -- that isn't going to lower my opinion of Hendry.
   182. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 22, 2005 at 06:09 PM (#1742562)
The Cubs won't ever have a lead, so the bullpen will be pretty much useless.

You're missing the big picture. The 2006 Cubs will be ALL BULLPEN ALL THE TIME!!!1111

Remember the no-hitter Houston put on the Yankees? Imagine having a collaborative no-hitter every game of the season. The roster will feature 19 pitchers because Macias and Neifi are so versatile they can handle two at once. Plus, the 7 person batting order will get Derrek Lee at least one extra PA a game.
   183. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 22, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1742569)
Of course, it would be ridiculous if Macias were on the major league club next season, but I'm not going to be upset if that happens either -- that isn't going to lower my opinion of Hendry.

The only reason I could say that having Macias on the roster wouldn't lower my opinion of Hendry would have to be that my opinion of Hendry was already at rock bottom in the first place.

Macias was a needless addition to the 2004 team. He had no business on the 2005 team and his very presence on the roster robbed the Cubs from a look at a more worthy minor leaguer (Cedeno, Fontenot, pre-injured Greenberg, whomever) not to mention the wasted salary.

If the Cubs tender him a contract while losing a guy like Sing or Brownlie to Rule 5 -- heck, if he's tendered a contract at all -- it only reaffirms the stance I took when they reupped Neifi and confirms my disdain for Cubs management.
   184. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: November 22, 2005 at 06:39 PM (#1742603)
The only reason I could say that having Macias on the roster wouldn't lower my opinion of Hendry would have to be that my opinion of Hendry was already at rock bottom in the first place.

When I read that, this was my first thought as well. If the Cubs had no one else to be a utility infielder, then maybe you keep him around at the end of the bench. But the Cubs are full of utility IFs - Cedeno, Neifi, Hairston. Macias would literally be the 25th man - either the 7th or 8th IF, the 5th or 6th OF, and the worst bat on the team.

There are probably half a dozen players at AAA right now who could do better, not to mention at least 50 minor league free agents they could bring in. You don't give Macias $1M to fill a role that someone else can fill for $300K. Of course, I'd have said the same thing about Scott Eyre and Glendon Rusch (and Bob Howry, if that comes to light) and Neifi Perez. So it's not like the Cubs haven't already committed about $15M for next year to pay veterans to fill roles that could have gone to youngsters. If that's really an organizational strategy, then I expect to see Macias back.
   185. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 22, 2005 at 08:08 PM (#1742809)
The only reason I could say that having Macias on the roster wouldn't lower my opinion of Hendry would have to be that my opinion of Hendry was already at rock bottom in the first place.

Well, that was exactly what I meant.

If the Cubs had no one else to be a utility infielder, then maybe you keep him around at the end of the bench.

If the Cubs had no one else to be a utility infielder and they weren't carrying 12 pitchers all the time. Anyway, I can imagine Macias being a valid spare part on a roster, but not this one.
   186. Neil M Posted: November 22, 2005 at 09:06 PM (#1742934)
<u>A Song For Jim Hendry</u>

*ahem*

Do you know the way to can Jose?
He's been around so long. You may go wrong and keep Jose
Do you know the way to can Jose?
I’m going to have to find some peace of mind. Please can Jose.

Jose is a worthless ass, though
He hit triples in San Diego
For a week, maybe two, they thought him a star
Weeks turned into months. how quck they pass
And the little star that never was
Was back to being just an ass.

Do you know the way to can Jose?
The U.S. has a lot of space. there’ll be a place where he can stay
You were born and raised to can Jose
I’m going to have to find some peace of mind. Please can Jose.

Fame and fortune is a magnet.
It has pulled him far away from home
With a dream in his heart he's never alone.
Dreams turn into dust and blow away
And there he is without a friend.
"Just pack your car and ride away!"

I’ve got lots of friends who'd can Jose
Do you know the way to can Jose?
Can’t wait to get you to can Jose.
   187. Sweet Posted: November 22, 2005 at 09:13 PM (#1742956)
Awesome, Neil. Is Bacharach big in Scotland? (He should be, with that name.)
   188. Neil M Posted: November 22, 2005 at 09:24 PM (#1742981)
Bacharach's pretty big everywhere, I'd guess. but it was the Dionne Warwicke fan inside me that you'd have to blame.
   189. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 22, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1743004)
You know, I don't really mind Hendry sabotaging Dusty to avoid a contract renewal but why is he throwing out the '07 and '08 bathwater with the '06 baby?
   190. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 22, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1743015)
crap
   191. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 22, 2005 at 10:03 PM (#1743102)
I've e-mailed Carrie Muskat about this.

Carrie e-mailed me -- she said that a Cubs official told her "not to do the math" because another move was pending and the delay is because MLB closes its offices over the weekend.
   192. Sweet Posted: November 22, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1743135)
Here's what she wrote to me (in its entirety):

there was still some paperwork/moves that had to be processed with MLB, which closes its offices over the weekend.
   193. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: November 22, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1743140)
I wonder how many e-mails she got about this -- just the two of ours, or others?
   194. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 23, 2005 at 02:28 AM (#1743448)
I mentioned earlier that Miles said the move was Eyre's addition to the roster, that still leaves the possibility of a trade being the move shuttling somebody off, but it sounds more like a DFA that way.
   195. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 23, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1743623)
The roster crunch might explain the lack of a Howry signing thus far. It's not like he is expecting someone to beat 3/$12.
   196. Sweet Posted: November 23, 2005 at 07:27 PM (#1744280)
From mlbtraderumors.com:

ESPN Radio 1000 is reporting that the Cubs have inked right-handed reliever Bob Howry to a three year, $12MM contract. He will have his physical on Monday.
   197. Dan The Mediocre Posted: November 23, 2005 at 08:41 PM (#1744423)
And so it goes.

Poo-tee-weet
   198. Neil M Posted: November 23, 2005 at 11:45 PM (#1744761)
A post at TCR says the Score reports the Cubs getting close to a deal for Pierre. Renyel Pinto and two other prospects involved. Not Pie.
   199. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 23, 2005 at 11:55 PM (#1744773)
A post at TCR says the Score reports the Cubs getting close to a deal for Pierre. Renyel Pinto and two other prospects involved. Not Pie.

Yikes.
   200. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: November 24, 2005 at 12:04 AM (#1744780)
Pinto *and* 2 prospects?

Ugh.
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