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Gonfalon Cubs— Cubs Baseball for Thinking Fans
Friday, May 19, 2006
Now we know
After a weekend series where some glimmers of hope appeared, the Cubs went to U.S. Cellular Field and promptly demonstrated why they don’t belong in the same geological era as a truly good baseball team. This team is completely over-matched by a good opponent. Mark Buehrle, who had been hit pretty hard in his previous four outings, tossed a complete game, giving up one unearned run, two singles and two base on balls while striking out two (Buehrle has only K’d 24 guys in 61.2 innings this year which has to be a concern for the Sox). Greg Maddux left his stuff at home (and, surprisingly, his composure) and even managed to provide an opportunity for Round-Tripper Rusch to throw some quality long relief. The offense was atrocious, but I do admit to being wrong in my last post when I indicated Jacque Jones would surely start against the southpaw - Dusty kept him on the bench, but that was probably due more to Jones’s pitiful career line against Buehrle (1-27 career) than anything.
On the previous comment thread, the name of Nelson Cruz was mentioned. I’ve been interested in Cruz for quite awhile, and with the Brewers’ commitment to Bret Favre’s doppleganger, it looks like he is blocked again this season. However, I think Melvin would be wary at trading Cruz for anything less than a small fortune, considering Carlos Lee is a free agent after this season. Along with Austin Kearns, Cruz was a solid, creative option that Hendry seems to have frittered away. I imagine that the Cubs could be fielding an outfield of Murton in LF, Jason Michaels in CF, and Austin Kearns or Nelson Cruz in RF as we speak, and the cost in players and salary would have been less than what was paid for Pierre and Jones.
Luke Jasenosky
Posted: May 19, 2006 at 06:39 PM | 15 comment(s)
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I have never been as digusted with the Cubs as I am right now, and I have been a fan since 1963...
That seems a bit optimistic. I think both the Reds and Phils were looking for major-league talent -- not much in the case of the Phils, probably a good bit in the case of the Reds. But this offseason the Cubs didn't have much attractive major-league talent, couldn't afford to lose what little they had and the one "moveable" piece was Todd Walker and I remain mystified as to why other teams don't seem interested in him (or how the Cubs keep getting him so cheap). Patterson simply wasn't going to bring much of anything in return and the Cubs pen was so lousy that we didn't even have an Arthur Rhodes type to trade for Michaels (heck, we had to sign one).
(I have no idea what the Brewers would want for Cruz)
Now, I'll admit it's possible the Reds would have swapped Kearns for a package similar, but probably better, than what brought in Pierre. Also a 3-way deal with the Cubs sending some prospects somewhere who would send a reliever to Philly probably could have been worked out. But it would have required substantially above-average GM'ing to pull off both those moves. Not that we don't deserve a substantially above-average GM but I'm pretty sure I haven't seen one of those in my 35 years of Cubs fandom (not that I'm giving up hope!). (I think I'd prefer Crisp to Michaels and probably Cruz anyway)
At this point, we probably need something far more dramatic than a Cruz. We need either to trade a real star (Ramirez would be my pick, but Wood or Prior are possibilities) for some top-flight talent ... or the Trib needs to really expand the payroll and start signing some genuinely good FA (not that there are many on the market this offseason ... so maybe trading for someone's big contract, though there are a lot fewer of those around too).
Of course, typical Cubs luck, Ramirez is struggling right now and everyone knows Wood & Prior are, shall we say, a bit short of reliable. Hopefully those guys will be on track by season's end and the Cubs will have some options next offseason.
I agree with this. However, IN NO WAY DOES THIS LET HENDRY OFF THE HOOK. The circumstances leading up to the point where he was unequipped to solve this problem lie entirely on his shoulders.
Fair point. However, with Rhodes being hit or miss, as well as 36 years old, I think the Phillies might have considered an Ohman/Mitre combo or some such. Ohman put up a nice ERA last season and showed he was healthy, but his WHIP was high, so I think his surface value might have been worth more than his true value.
As for Kearns, his star had fallen pretty low in Cinci in the middle of last season, and the Reds obviously needed pitching in a big way. A gutsy move by Hendry which included Hill/Nolasco/Mitre might have done the job.
Even if the cost in players exceeded what was given up for Pierre/Jones, the money saved would be significant. Michaels/Kearns are making 3.35 million total this season - Pierre/Jones are making over 11 million combined, plus the commitment to Jones. And who would argue with Kearns's potential to be a long-term solution in RF?
Agreed.
I still think it's an open question as to whether Hendry or Baker has (had) more clout within the organization. I also think that Hendry is one of those GMs who works with his manager and finds the sort of players the manager wants. And Hendry has cheap-skate Trib owners to deal with too.
The personnel moves could all be Hendry's fault but I suspect they're a mix of Hendry mistakes, Baker-inspired Hendry mistakes, Hendry-Baker disagreements (which Baker wins ... latest example probably Theriot), and Trib-mandated Hendry non-moves. And of course Hendry has a share of good moves to his credit.
That still doesn't reflect well on Hendry and he's, at best, not willing to stand up for himself and force the Cubs to choose between him and Baker. More likely, he generally agrees with Baker. And they're both pretty desparate right now. Still, add it all up, and I think Hendry's an average-ish GM ... who since 2003 has mistaken this as a team that's just 1-2 players from the top.
Kinda reminds me of the 2003-2004 DBacks (god willing this season doesn't go as bad as 2004 DBacks). In 2001 the DBacks won it all; in 2002 they won 98 and the division. In 2003, they dropped to 84 wins but could blame that on Johnson's injury. Thinking they were still right there, they swapped a boatload of players for the missing piece (Sexson -- who got hurt a la Lee). And of course they had the genius Bob Brenly as manager those 4 seasons.
I think (I said think) that Hendry's better than Garagiola ... and I think even these hapless Cubs are probably better than the 2004 DBacks ... but there are definite parallels.
I hate this team, and can't wait for the Dusty regime to end. Just where did he get the reputaion of having his players play over their heads for him? No fundamentals, one stupid mental mistake after another, and nothing but praise from the man for the "heads up" play. Sickening, just sickening.
I agree with this 100%. You don't run across a lot of 25-year-olds still being labelled as prospects, and that number is even smaller for 26-year-olds.
If you're going to call Hill untouchable (or all but untouchable) at his age, then you had better have a clear plan to use him in the immediate future. Instead, they broke camp without him despite several injuries in the starting rotation that necessitated the use of 1 rookie, 1 guy they consider unproven (Williams), and a journeyman at best (Rusch). If Hill can't break into that group, then we sorely miscalculated his value.
Now that he's come up and struggled again, for the second year in a row, and will probably be the first guy shipped out once the rotation gets in order, his trading value is basically that of a 26-year-old lefty reliever with minimal major league experience. Is it possible he'll become a useful bullpen part? Absolutely. But how many relief prospects truly deserve the tag untouchable, let alone guys who are already in their mid-20s?
I think the answer is trading some middle relief. Certainly if one of the Unbreakables lights it up in the second half (ie loses a lot of 2-0 games), they should flip one for some young position talent. The Cubs are probably hoping its Miller because he was basically free. Come mid-season, if Howry and Eyre have ERAs under four, the Cubs should look to turn one into several position players under 24 in AA or above who have some hint of plate discipline. They need to blow this up Marlins-style, though unfortunately they aren't dismantling a World Series contender.
I hadn't heard this yet; when I did I burst out laughing. Negron is an ideal future Cub, as he's a very good athlete in search of some basic baseball skills. When he grows up, he hopes to be Endy Chavez.
Two problems with this. First, they're both under expensive multi-year contracts. Contending teams do like picking up midseason relief help, but usually guys who are about to be FA, not guys who are going to cost them another 2 years and $6-8 M. For other teams to pick up that payroll, the Cubs are unlikely to be able to demand much in return.
The second problem is that it's rare if not unheard of to get "several", or even 2, position players for a reliever.
But I agree with the principle of trading the spare parts for possible future parts. But they're unlikely to get anyone who will really impact the franchise in exchange for Eyre, Howry, etc.
Well, nor am I, I suppose. I've been harping about Hendry and Baker being secondary problems for some time now. I actually think Hendry isn't that bad overall, and that in the right organization, one where he isn't relied upon to be the braintrust, he'd be quite good.
Corey Hart is that guy. I would imagine Nelson Cruz could be had for the right price right now.
I feel compelled to point out that even Dusty recognized this in his post-game comments yesterday. See Mike Kiley's column:
Furthermore, even Todd Walker is disclaiming his optimism. From Bruce Miles's column:
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