I expectorate him going into the HoM fairly quickly.

BTW, Perry is the second person that I remember with his first name (Gaylord the buzzard from Broom Hilda was the first :-)

Don't remember any first name Gaylords. The first last name Gaylord that comes to mind was Olympic Gymnast (I think) Mitch Gaylord.

So just double checking here, no one's worried about the spitter, right?

The SABR Bio (see bb-ref page for link) is quite thorough for GPerry. Much discussion of the spitter, too.

I went to elementary school with a Gaylord. He was neither.

I went to elementary school with a Gaylord. He was neither.

But at least when he was a student, "gay" had a different connotation than it does now. He would have been roasted on my playground, that's for sure, since "gaylord" was thrown around as a derogatory term when I was a kid.

"gaylord" was thrown around as a derogatory term when I was a kid.

Ditto. In fact, I was only dimly aware of Perry and often snickered at his name. 7-10 years old isn't exactly an age where you can distinguish between what's appropriate and what's not....

Hey, be glad that nobody here knew someone with a name like this one.

:)

He had the worst run support of any 300 game winner in baseball history. I think. Nolan Ryan might've been a little worse, but I'm pretty sure Perry had him topped, er, bottomed.

While playing alongside Juan Marichal from 1964-71 (excluding Perry's token starting years) the difference in the run support they received was incredible. The Giants hit about 20% better than league average for Marichal and 3-5% UNDER league average for Perry. The frick? Reverse their run support and it's a 15-20 win difference for both of them.

He went 24-16 for a last place team in 1972 despite playing in a slightly strike-shortened year. His RSI for that year was in the 80s. He still doesn't get to 30 with an RSI W/L adjustment, but I think he's closer than Steve Carlton for that year.

I came away really impressed with him. He's probably the most underrated 300 game winner of all-time.

apropos of nothing in particular--Gaylord was one of the best bunters ever saw; ALWAYS got he ball down when a sac was called for

Per the SBE, Gaylord had 113 sacs from 1962-1983. 113 ranks him 17th in that era (tied with Bill Russell), however, among pitchers it's sixth after Sutton (130), P Niekro (129), J Niekro (126), Seaver (121), and Hooton (114). However, it's worth noting that he pitched a lot in the AL during that span. So let's see as a % of PAs. I'll use total career SACs and PAs here:

I get Perry and Ruffing as pretty similar, with a slight edge to Perry on peak. Basically the same guy in terms of value, after adjusting for era. Perry was somewhat better as a pitcher, but Ruffing's hitting makes up the difference.

That 1972 really was a great season.

RA+ Pythpat equivalent record: 337-258. He had a very high number of IP per decision: 9.24. This gives him more equivalent decisions than actual decisions. I have Bob Gibson at 265-166. That makes the difference between Gibson and Perry 72-92, which isn't much but might potentially be counted as a slight postive for Perry. Gibson had a bigger peak (or in my system, more from "big years" scores), but Perry's got a good peak. I have his 1972 season as an equivalent 27-11, with 1974 at 24-12. Both of those are very big years indeed. He also has years of equivalent 22-14, 20-13, 22-17, 21-16, 17-11, 15-8.

Actually, I never offense-adjusted Gibson; that would put him a little further in front of Perry. Apart from the sacrifices, Perry hit like a pitcher and then moved to the AL.

Joe mentions Ruffing; after adjusting for his own hitting, I have Ruffing at 282-201, making for a difference of 55-57. This time the difference is clearly in Perry's favor, expect for the possible era adjustment: that pitchers in Perry's time pitched more innings than those in Ruffing's time. Ruffing has a peak as well - it's not a big difference there.

Perry is Ruffing? Ruffing is Perry?
color me astonished
Did you upgrade Ruffing after your big study, Joe, or always rate him highly?

To the point of the day, Perry is a first ballot HOMer.

I had Ruffing low early Paul. But then I saw the light. I don't know if that was before or after he was elected. IIRC I had Ruffing pretty high before he went in, but that was before I started the big study. If I had done the study first, I'm sure I'dve had him #1 most of the way, barring years with no-brainers.

Funny you mention Gibson OCF - I have Gibson #10 and Perry #11, pending Seaver, Palmer, Blyleven and the modern (1980s and beyond) crew . . .

Gibson scores at 1.205 Pennants Added, Perry 1.157. It's a clear win for Gibson, even though they are 10/11.

That's as much distance as Bucky Walters (#39) has between Wilbur Cooper (#61), for example.

Gibson was also a much better hitter, which causes some of that gap (maybe most of it even). And Gibson had the better peak. And it took Perry nearly 1500 more translated IP to get there.