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"Marcelle was the finest-fielding third baseman in Negro League baseball during the 1920s. A Creole from New Orleans. Nearly complete statistics indicate that Marcelle batted .315 from 1919 to 1930. In 17 exhibition games against major league competition, Marcelle hit .365 (23-for-63).
"Marcelle was known for his uncontrollable temper. Marcelle reputedly once became so enraged that he struck Hall of Famer Oscar Charleston in the head with a bat.
"His temper may have led to his premature retirement. Bill Yancey, a teammate of Marcelle's, said that he and teammate Frank Warfield had a fight in Cuba and Warfield bit his nose off. "He was a proud, handsome guy, you know, and then he used to wear a black patch across his nose and he got so he couldn't play baseball anymore."
there's more in the link, including a comment from Judy Johnson..
Expert Assessments
Selected by 80% of experts polled in _Cool Papas_ for HoF
BJ -- #3 Third Baseman, behind Ray Dandridge and Judy Johnson
Holway -- #3 Third Baseman, behind Jud Wilson and Ray Dandridge; selected as all-star four times by Holway
From Riley
.305 lifetime Negro-League Average
1919, 1921-29 seasonal avgs. .229, .305, .364, .295, .343, .308, .255, .306, .296, .288
.305 lifetime Cuban Winter League average (8 seasons)
From Holway
Negro-League Data
1918 .111 for Bkn Royal Giants
1919 .462 (20-50) for Bkn Royal Giants; Holway all-star
1920 .323 for AC Bacharach Giants; Holway all-star
1921 .299 for AC Bacharach Giants; Holway all-star
6-15, .400 in playoff vs. Hilldale
1922 .265 for AC Bacharach Giants
6 –24, .250 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1923, .306 for NY Lincoln Giants
1924 .316 for NY Lincoln Giants
1925 .321 for AC Bacharach Giants, .174 for NY Lincoln Giants
1926 .288 for AC Bacharach Giants
12-36 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1927 .326 for AC Bacharach Giants; Holway all-star
8-34, .235 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1928 .288 for AC Bacharach Giants
1929 .288 for Balt Black Sox
1930 .308 for Bkn Royal Giants
Career Data
.302, 723-2391
Cuban Data
1923 .393 to lead winter league
1924 .310 (39-126)
1925 .333 (26-78)
1927 .336 (40-119)
1929 .241 (38-158)
Vs. Major League Competition
1920 1-4 vs. Babe Ruth all-stars (Carl Mays and Ruth pitch)
1921 8-19 vs. Phil Athletics
1929 2-13 vs. All-Star squad (Phil A’s pitchers minus Grove plus Balt Orioles of IL)
career 11-36, .306
I9s Projections
5905 ab, 1639 hits, 296 2b, 107 3b, 40 hr, 631 bb, .277 ba, .347 obp, .384 slg, 731 ops
A short-form win shares analysis of Marcelle's i9s projections, assuming that he's an excellent 3B, come out around 210 career WS with the standard 5% reduction. Does this seem about right to you?
In terms of modern players, Marcell reminds me of Ken Oberkfell (97 OPS+: .278/.351/.362/713 OPS), particularly the early portion of KO's career.
If that's the case, that doesn't seem like a HoMer to me (even when you factor in the attrition level for his position). Seems like he'll have to wait behind his contemporaries Groh and Traynor.
Yeah, about right. To get a quick estimate myself, I decided to see how many WS Marcell would earn if he were an exactly average hitter and a top (5.5 ws/1000 innings) fielder, using the i9s projected playing time, and I came up with 217 career win shares.
If he were as valuable a defensive third baseman as Jimmy Collins (which might not have been possible for a third baseman during the 1920s), his cws by this formula rise to 235.
If one were to take his i9s batting projections at face value and give him J. Collinsesque fielding value, he'd probably be very close to Bancroft (269 cws) and Sewell (277 cws), but no higher than that, and that's the highest possible projection I can see for him (unless the translation formula I'm using is _way_ off . . . )
"Hall of Fame Negro League third baseman Judy Johnson admitted that Marcelle was better than he was defensively, although not offensively."
If this is true, then he may make my top 20 next year when he becomes eligible, but it is extremely doubtful he will ever be an HOMer.
G - 39
AB - 144
H - 40
2B-4
3B-2
HR-1
R-22
BB-8
SH-5
SB-1
Ave - .278 (Negro Leagues Ave .279)
OBP - .316 (Negro Leagues Ave .334)
SLG - .354 (Negro Leagues Ave .384)
Fielding 3B
G - 29
Innings - 233 2/3
Po-35
A-45
E-4
DP-1
Range Factor - 3.00 (Eastern League Ave 2.79)
PCT - .951 (Eastern League Ave .919)
NNL associate Bacharach Giants
G-51 (team 52)
AB-203
H-66
D-9
T-1
HR-2
R-35
W-11
HP-1
SH-7
SB-6
AVE-.325 (NeL .263)
OBA-.363 (NeL .324)
SLG-.409 (NeL .361)
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