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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy is the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullenn provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.


The current roster (234 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (63): Pete Alexander+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Stan Coveleski, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe Torre, Quincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (19): Cap Anson+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (21): Ross Barnes+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+, Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (18): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken Boyer, Jimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (25): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (21): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (27): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+, Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Monte Irvin, Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (20): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

+ first-year candidate honorees (129)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (14)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (8)

2008 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 18 (Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6.   Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
7T.  Athletics - 11 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
7T.  Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9.   Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
10T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
10T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
10T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14.  Red Sox - 7 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T. Nationals - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
25T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
25T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
25T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
25T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
25T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
25T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
25T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
25T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
25T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
34T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
34T. Astros - 1 (JWynn)
34T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
34T. Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
34T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
34T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
34T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
34T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
34T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
34T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
34T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
34T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
34T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
34T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
34T. Mets - 1 (Seaver)
34T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
34T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
34T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
34T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
34T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)

2008 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 28 (Anson, Appling, Banks, BrownM, ClarksonJ, CollinsE, Dahlen, 
Faber, FosterW, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, HermanB, HillP, Jenkins, KellyK, Lyons, 
Minoso, PierceB, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, WilliamsBi)
1T.  New York - 28 (Berra, Bresnahan, Connor, DavisG, Dickey, DiMaggioJ, Ewing, 
FordW, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, 
Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, WilliamsSJ)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, AllenD, Ashburn, BakerF, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, 
FosterR, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, RobertsR, Schmidt, SimmonsA, StoveyH, Thompson,
 Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, FerrellW, 
Flick, Glasscock, JacksonJ, Lajoie, Lemon, SewellJ, Speaker, TrouppeQ, WynnE, YoungC)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (BellCP, BoyerK, Caruthers, Frisch, GibsonB, HernandezK, Hornsby, 
Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, SimmonsT, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, WellsW)
6.   Boston - 15 (Barnes, Boggs, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, 
O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WilliamsT, WrightG, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, 
Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, BrownR, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, GibsonJ, Kiner, 
LeonardB, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, WanerP)
9.   Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, JohnsonHR, Pearce, Reese, RobinsonJ, Santop, 
Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
10T. Baltimore - 9 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, Murray, Palmer, Ripken, 
RobinsonB, WilsonJ)
10T. Cincinnati - 9 (Bench, Groh, Jones, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, RobinsonF, Rose, Roush)
12T. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
12T. San Francisco - 6 (ClarkW, EvansDa, Marichal, MaysW, McCovey, PerryG)
14.  Kansas City - 5 (Brett, BrownW, MooreD, Rogan, Saberhagen)
15.  Oakland - 4 (Eckersley, Fingers, JacksonR, McGwire)
16T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
16T. Los Angeles - 3 (Drysdale, Koufax, SuttonD)
16T. Montreal - 3 (CarterG, Dawson, Raines)
16T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
16T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, JohnsonW)
21T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, RyanN)
21T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
21T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
24T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
24T. Atlanta - 1 (NiekroP)
24T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
24T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
24T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
24T. Houston - 1 (WynnJ)
24T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
24T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
24T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
24T. Toronto – 1 (Stieb)
N/A - 2 (GrantF, Oms)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no knowm state or province) 
or U.S. Capital:
1.  New York (41)
2.  Pennsylvania (33)
3.  Illinois (28)
4.  Ohio (27)
5.  Missouri (23)
6.  California (17)
7.  Massachusetts (15)
8.  Michigan (13)
9.  Maryland (9)
10. Wisconsin (6)
11. Minnesota, Quebec, District of Columbia (3)
12. Cuba, New Jersey, Rhode Island (2)
13. Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ontario, Texas (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

We’ll leave the current inductees at the top of the list for three weeks after they are inducted.



Newly Elected This Fortnight and a Week



Tim Raines – 2008 – LF/CF/DH
15.4 seasons with: Montreal (NL) 1979-90, 2001; Chicago (AL) 1991-95; New York (AL) 1996-98; Oakland (AL) 1999; Baltimore (AL) 2001; Florida (NL) 2002
Cap: Montreal Expos (NL)
The most exciting and best left fielder in the National League during the 1980s, “Rock” combined spectacular speed with an exceptional ability to get on base to become one of baseball’s greatest ever run scorers (including 6 seasons with over 100 runs scored and 1,571 in his career). One of only a handful of men to steal 800 bases (808) he left the game with the highest SB success rate on over 300 attempts in ML history (84.7%), the right-handed leadoff hitter also stole 70 or more bases 6 times (1981-1986) with a high of 90 in 1983. At bat, he hit over .300 five times, walked 1,330 times in his career and had a OBP over .400 4 times (.385 career). Blessed with great range in the outfield, Raines led left fielders 3 times in assists, twice each in putouts and double plays and once in games (he also topped right fielders once in games). A member of three division-winners (1981, 1993, 1997) and two pennant-winners (the World Champions of 1996 and 1998). ML-AS MVP (1987); batted .301 in league championship series’, his 1993 batting line of .444/.483/.556 was his best at that level. NL Silver Slugger-OF (1986). Four-time STATS, Inc. NL Outfielder (1981, 1983, 1986-87). Three-time Win Shares NL MVP (1985-87). Two-time Win Shares NL Silver Slugger Award (1985-86). Win Shares NL Gold Glove Award (1984). Seven-time All-Star (1981-87). NL leader for BA (1986), OBP (1986), PA (1982-83), R (1983, 1987), 2B (1984), SB (1981-84), TOB (1983-84, 1986) and OWP (1986). Retired with the Expos’ single-season records for PA (731 in 1982) R (133 in 1983) and 3B (13 in 1985), as well as the career records for R (947), 1B (1,163), 3B (82), BB (793), SB (635), BtRuns (266), BtWins (26.0), TOB (2,440) and IBB (118).

Dick Lundy – 2008 – SS/2B/3B/C
Atlantic City Bacharach Giants (1916-18, 1920-28); Havana Red Sox (1917); Hilldale Daisies (1917-19); New York Lincoln Giants; Baltimore Black Sox (1929-32); Philadelphia Stars (1933); Newark Dodgers (1934-35); New York Cubans (1935); Newark Eagles (1936-39); Brooklyn Royal Giants
Cap: Atlantic City Bacharach Giants
Among Negro League baseball’s most exalted performers and a member of the famed Baltimore “million-dollar infield” of 1929, “King Richard” mixed expert play, showmanship and leadership (he was team captain for 1923-25) to become a NeL standout over a long career. As a batter, the switch-hitter was able to contribute both average (a career .330 hitter in the NeL and .341 in the CWL, he attained a .484 BA in the NeL in 1924) and double and triple power. Very fast, he intimidated opposing pitchers and fielders on the basepaths. One of the finest fielding shortstops in baseball history, Lundy showcased both great range and a terrific arm and while noted for playing very deep. In the 1926 NeL World Series, he performed admirably by hitting.325, driving in 6 RBI, scoring 4 runs and stealing 6 bases. Member of seven Eastern pennant-winners (1921, 1923, 1926-29, 1935). Fleet Walker Award (1926). Five-time Holway All-Star (1919, 1921, 1926, 1931-32). Two-time NeL All-Star (1933). NeL Eastern leader for BA (1921), 2B (1926) and 3B (1921, 1923). CWL leader in SB (1924).

Bret Saberhagen – 2008 – P
Kansas City (AL) 1984-91; New York (NL) 1992-95; Colorado (NL) 1995; Boston (AL) 1997-2001
Cap: Kansas City Royals (AL)
One of the youngest ever Cy Young Award winners, “Sabes” was the poised ace of the Royals’ staff from age 21. Credited with an impressive .588 career winning percentage and a 126 ERA+, the right-handed control pitcher with 90+ MPH fastball notched 20 wins twice and had 3 sub-2.00 ERA seasons, as well as being the only pitcher to have more wins (14) than walks (13) in a season (1994) since the inception of the Lively Ball era. A member of two division series (1995, 1998), two championship series (1984, 1999) and the World Champions of 1985 (he won two complete games, including a shutout in Game Seven, with a microscopic 0.50 ERA). Two-time AL Cy Young Award winner (1985, 1989). ML-WS MVP (1985). AL Gold Glove Award (1989). No-Hitter (1991). Two-time STATS, Inc. AL Staff Pitcher (1985, 1989). STATS, Inc. NL Staff Pitcher (1994). Two-time Win Shares AL Pitcher of the Year (1985, 1989). Three-time All-Star (1987, 1990, 1994). AL leader in ERA (1989), W (1989), WHIP (1985, 1989), BB/9IP (1985), IP (1989), CG (1989), SO to BB (1985, 1987, 1989) and Adj. ERA+ (1989). NL leader for BB/9IP (1994) and SO to BB (1994). Retired with the Royals’ franchise single-season records for W (23 in 1989), SO to BB (4.49 in 1989) and Adj. ERA+ (180 in 1989); the Royals’ career records for WHIP (1.134) and SO to BB (3.30); the Mets’ single-season records for BB/9IP (0.66 in 1994) and SO to BB (11.00 in 1994); and the Mets’ career records for BB/9IP (1.32) and SO to BB (5.04).

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For Hall of Meriters G-L, please click here.

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For Hall of Meriters S-Z, please click here.

Joe Dimino Posted: August 02, 2004 at 01:37 PM | 1364 comment(s)
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   1. Rob Wood Posted: June 02, 2003 at 11:07 PM (#513791)
These are great. I notice a typo in George Gore's description. I think you mean "Eight times top-5" (missing the "p"). Typo also in Jim O'Rourke (consistent is misspelled).
   2. Philip Posted: June 03, 2003 at 11:08 AM (#513792)
Didn't O'Rourke win any MVP awards?
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 02:43 PM (#513798)
.Given his affinity for Buffalo and how hard he fought to stay there, I'd bet the Deacon would have chosen their cap if given a say in the matter. Remember that he went back there in 1890 when given a choice by the Player's League.

It's close. His Win Shares for Buffalo are probably in the same range as he would have had at Boston. Whether he would have approved or not shouldn't be the criteria, however (though I'm anal about this).
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 02:43 PM (#513799)
Whether he would have approved or not shouldn't be the criteria, however (though I'm not anal about this).
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 03:11 PM (#513801)
I don't have a problem with Reggie wearning a Yankee hat instead on an A's hat,

I do. His Yankee years were not even close to the value of his A's years (and three homeruns in a single WS game are not nearly enough to tip the scales).

but I would have a problem with Clemens wearing a Yankee hat instead of a Boston one.

Agreed.

I don't think Nolan Ryan should have been allowed to wear a Rangers hat, he should have had to have picked between California and Houston.

I'd go with the Angels.
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 03:13 PM (#513802)
BTW, just so that I'm clear, I think White should be wearing a Buffalo hat.
   7. jimd Posted: June 05, 2003 at 03:22 PM (#513803)
His Win Shares for Buffalo are probably in the same range as he would have had at Boston.

Not likely. WARP3 has any two of his 4 Boston years totaling more than his 5 Buffalo years combined. That said, if he and Dan and Pud and Hardy (if they ever get elected) want to wear Bison caps (pretty good team to never win anything), fine by me. I thought I read somewhere that Cy Young wanted a Spiders cap but the HOF wouldn't go along, or am I mixing that up with somebody else, some other time?
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 03:56 PM (#513804)
Not likely. WARP3 has any two of his 4 Boston years totaling more than his 5 Buffalo years combined.

You're probably right. I didn't do a detailed analysis of his NA numbers. Damn Bill James for not including Win Shares for that league! :-)
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 14, 2003 at 01:00 AM (#513814)
If the reader is interested in just 'how many years did this guy play,' then they can just add up the individual seasons from the team info, right?

... or click onto the hyperlink? :-)
   10. dan b Posted: June 17, 2003 at 01:08 PM (#513815)
Would Ward have refused to attend the induction ceremony if he couldn't wear a Brooklyn Ward's Wonders cap?
   11. MattB Posted: June 27, 2003 at 04:19 PM (#513817)
Saw this link over at Primate Studies about the correct Replacement Level to use:

http://premium.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2032&mode=print&nocache=1056622106

The article, and the discussion at Primate Studies:
http://www.baseballprimer.com/studies/archives/00000028.shtml#comments_15

sheds some more light on what we were discussing earlier about appropriate replacement levels for long-career players.

   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 08, 2003 at 01:45 PM (#513820)
Outfield: 3.5

That will change when Delahanty, Hamilton, Van Haltren, Ryan and Duffy are eligible (all who will be on my ballot).
   13. favre Posted: July 17, 2003 at 06:40 PM (#513823)
Ummm, Joe...didn't you elect four inductees in 1898?
   14. favre Posted: July 17, 2003 at 06:40 PM (#513824)
Ummm, Joe...didn't you elect four inductees in 1898?
   15. Paul Wendt Posted: July 29, 2003 at 03:32 PM (#513826)
jimd (#4):
I thought I read somewhere that Cy Young wanted a Spiders cap but the HOF wouldn't go along, or am I mixing that up with somebody else, some other time?

When was the first batch of Cooperstown plaques designed, produced, displayed? Which inductees were included in the first batch?

Considering Cy Young's stature in 1939, and what he achieved in Cleveland, I am surprised by the anecdote jimd tentatively reported, but I don't know that it is false.

Paul Wendt, Watertown MA

P.S. Has anyone published the list of STATS Inc. Award winners from 1876 to date on the web?

   16. jimd Posted: July 29, 2003 at 04:31 PM (#513828)
To my knowledge, there are no HOF hats for any of the 19th century teams that did not survive into the 20th. Not even the 1890's Orioles. Young has a Cleveland Naps hat.
   17. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 01:47 PM (#513830)
Are we going to induct Hamilton as a Beaneater? His value was greatest there so Boston would be my pick.
   18. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 02:53 PM (#513832)
I dunno John 6 of his 8 best OPS+ (just eyeballing quick) were in Philly. I'd think he's a Phightin Phillie . . . am I missing something?

No, I was wrong. Philly it is. First one for that team.
   19. Rob Wood Posted: August 26, 2003 at 04:26 PM (#513833)
Have the recent electees been enshrined in the HOM plaque room yet? It doesn't seem so.
   20. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 12:50 PM (#513836)
He played for the Forest City Club of Rockford from 1868 to 1870. Before 1868, the Forest City Club wasn't "major league," so I wouldn't include them.
   21. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 12:55 PM (#513837)
BTW, I would include those same years for Spalding's teammate Ross Barnes' plaque.
   22. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 01:29 PM (#513838)
For Jim O'Rourke, I would include his season with the Middletown Mansfields in '71. For Deacon White, his seasons (1869-1870) with the Forest City Club of Cleveland were at the highest level of competition. For George Wright, his years with the Washington Nationals (1867-1868) and Cincinnati Red Stockings (1869-1870) definitely deserve a mention.
   23. Paul Wendt Posted: November 16, 2003 at 06:47 PM (#513842)
George Wright played for Washington only in 1867.
1868: Unions of Morrisania, or "Morrisania[NY] Unions"??
(officially the defending champions)
1866: probably not worth the trouble to list two clubs
   24. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 16, 2003 at 07:02 PM (#513843)
George Wright played for Washington only in 1867.

You're correct, Paul. I got that information off a website. If I had my Baseball's First Stars at the time, I wouldn't have had made that mistake.
   25. Paul Wendt Posted: November 16, 2003 at 07:15 PM (#513844)
Ezra Sutton played for Cleveland in 1870. Bill Ryczek lists him as the regular 3Bman.
[When Johnny Came Sliding Home Appendix B]

Ryczek does not list Wright as a regular for either Unions or Gothams in 1866.

Five of the plaques lack the count of seasons.
There is a stray comma in Radbourn ", 1881".

   26. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 01, 2003 at 05:39 PM (#513854)
No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! :-D
   27. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 24, 2003 at 05:15 PM (#513860)
Sean:

I made up a plaque fot the Kid a while back, but that scoundrel Dimino misplaced it! :-) I sent him a new copy a few days ago.

Other than that, good job! Maybe Joe could combine the two.
   28. Paul Wendt Posted: January 21, 2004 at 08:59 PM (#513864)
Kid Nichols
The Kid was the ace for the pennant winner of 1897 and the champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, and 1898.

Re the pennant and the championship, I would say "The Kid was the ace for champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, 1897 and 1898" (or 1891-93 and 1897-98).

If you want to distinguish (world) champions from pennant winners, there is more work to be done. Eg, Radbourn led Providence to the pennant and the first "world" championship.

   29. Paul Wendt Posted: January 21, 2004 at 09:04 PM (#513865)
Kid Nichols
The Kid was the ace for the pennant winner of 1897 and the champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, and 1898.

Re the pennant and the championship, I would say "The Kid was the ace for champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, 1897 and 1898" (or 1891-93 and 1897-98).

If you want to distinguish (world) champions from pennant winners, there is more work to be done. Eg, Radbourn led Providence to the pennant and the first "world" championship.

   30. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 22, 2004 at 02:50 PM (#513869)
The Spiders and Blues were two distinct franchises, right?

Yes, though it's a little complicated.

The first "Cleveland Blues" team was a National League team that began in 1879, and I think were (in some sense) successors to the Indianapolis Blues. But I don't think it was the same "franchise", though calling the late 1870s teams "franchises" is pushing it a bit. They played in the NL until 1884, and after the 1884 season the team folds - to be replaced by the St. Louis team from the Union Association. This first Cleveland Blues team was Glasscock's team.

The second "Cleveland Blues" were an American Association team, who started play in the 1887 season; they had taken the place of the Pittsburgh Alleghenys (the team that is now the Pirates) who defected to the NL after the 1886 season. In 1889, that team also jumped to the National League, renaming itself the Cleveland Spiders. (Columbus took the place of Cleveland in the AA - Incidentally, when the Spiders jumped to the NL, the team improved... whereas the Alleghenys had fallen by 18 games.) This second Cleveland Spiders team was Burkett's team.

In 1900, the team we now know as the Cleveland Indians started as - the Cleveland Blues! They were one of the franchises in the new American League , reaching major league status in 1901. They were known as the Blues for two years, then changed their name to the Cleveland Bronchos in 1902.

This third team became known as the Naps in 1903, and after Lajoie left for the Athletics in 1914, they became known as the Indians, though I would have preferred they continued the tradition of naming the team after the second baseman. "Cleveland Wambsgansses" has a great ring to it.
   31. Paul Wendt Posted: January 22, 2004 at 08:30 PM (#513870)
Relying on Craig B for the history, I think the entry for Glasscock should be
"Hat: Cleveland Blues (NL 1879-84)"
   32. MattB Posted: January 23, 2004 at 09:40 AM (#513872)
I believe that Paul's point is that Cleveland Blues (NL) is ambiguous, as there were two franchises that were named the "Cleveland Blues". I'm not sure I agree, since the second NL franchise was never named the Blues, changing its name after leaving the AA. There was therefore only one "Cleveland Blues (NL)", one Cleveland Blues (AA)", one "Cleveland Spiders (NL)" and one Cleveland Blues/Naps/Indians (AL)". Perhaps if we inducted Chief Zimmer, we would give him a "Cleveland Blues/Spiders (AA/NL)" hat, which would be mildly confusing, but I could live with it.

If the idea is to avoid confusion, then there's likely no real need to change hat-designation-systems until we come to the two franchises named "Washington Senators" in the AL, where a distinction between Senators I and Senators II players would be appropriate.
   33. Paul Wendt Posted: January 23, 2004 at 10:17 PM (#513873)
MattB:
I believe that Paul's point is that Cleveland Blues (NL) is ambiguous, as there were two franchises that were named the "Cleveland Blues".

Yes.

I'm not sure I agree, . . .

He's right about Glasscock. False alarm.

   34. Paul Wendt Posted: January 26, 2004 at 11:05 PM (#513875)
Updated team standings (through 1913) - Cincinnati finally gets on the board, it's about time!

before St Louis, Pittsburgh, or Brooklyn (all 1880s to date)
   35. Chris Cobb Posted: January 29, 2004 at 10:49 PM (#513876)
Fred Clarke is missing from the alphabetical list of HoMers at the top of the page, I believe.
   36. karlmagnus Posted: January 31, 2004 at 02:23 PM (#513878)
Seems a pity to give all those Braves guys to Ted Turner; most of them couldn't have found Atlanta on a map (when did it stop being called "Terminus?") They were BOSTON players, and should be given to the Red Sox!
   37. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 14, 2004 at 11:41 PM (#513882)
ahem....:)

He has them all, Sean, so it's just a matter of time. BTW, if you want to add anything to any of the existing ones, send Joe an e-mail (I'm assuming this is the Sean who helped me with the Kid Nichols plaque).
   38. Paul Wendt Posted: March 15, 2004 at 11:53 PM (#513886)
<i>Hall of Famers that we've passed on and probably won't elect (5): Clark Griffith, Frank Chance, Mickey Welch, Addie Joss, Vic Willis.
   39. Paul Wendt Posted: March 16, 2004 at 12:00 AM (#513887)
more on that
   40. Paul Wendt Posted: March 16, 2004 at 12:27 AM (#513888)
We'll leave the current inductees at the top of the list for a week after they are inducted.

Good plan. You will catch up at a rate of one year every year, if you take my meaning.
   41. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2004 at 02:55 PM (#513892)
I became a inner circle HoMer on the Red Sox

Yes, but you had more of your value with the Spiders. As great as you were with the Pilgrims, you were better in Cleveland.
   42. Paul Wendt Posted: March 23, 2004 at 07:50 PM (#513893)
No American League team is yet represented.

Pittsburgh is newly on the board with Fred Clarke, leaving only St Louis and Brooklyn(Los Angeles) unrepresented, among the eight longtime NL clubs. Bob Caruthers knew those two clubs as winners in the AA; decades later they became bigger all-time winners than their NL mates who are already represented here.
   43. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2004 at 08:21 PM (#513894)
Paul, I'm curious: Of the available candidates, who do you think was a mistake and who should have been in the HoM a long time ago?
   44. EricC Posted: March 23, 2004 at 09:24 PM (#513895)
Paul, I'm curious: Of the available candidates, who do you think was a mistake and who should have been in the HoM a long time ago?

No, Paul, don't do it! I'd like to think of you as the Switzerland of posters.
   45. Marc Posted: March 23, 2004 at 11:23 PM (#513896)
Well, I know Paul as an aficianado of 19th century baseball. Switzerland, no? More France and Germany. You know, "old (19th century) Europe."
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: March 23, 2004 at 11:41 PM (#513897)
I'm with Eric C.
   47. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2004 at 11:49 PM (#513898)
Okay, okay! I'm sorry I brought it up! :-)

What's that 1960s Marvel Comics character? The Watcher? That's Paul Wendt...

I'm more of a DC guy, so maybe he's the Phantom Stranger.
   48. Howie Menckel Posted: March 24, 2004 at 12:47 AM (#513899)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?
   49. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 01:00 AM (#513900)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?

Well, I was reading comics during the seventies, so I would say both companies stole liberally from both sides.
   50. Jeff M Posted: March 24, 2004 at 07:25 PM (#513902)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?

I'm not sure. Didn't DC have Superman, Batman, Aquaman and Wonder Woman? I agree Howie that the Marvel characters were much more interesting to me, but I think DC held its own.

I liked Spiderman, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four, in that order.
   51. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 07:33 PM (#513904)
I liked Spiderman, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four, in that order.

Of the Marvel characters, I would go with Spiderman, the Hulk, Captain America and the Fantastic Four.

With DC, definitely Batman (my favorite), then the Justice League of America, the Flash, Green Lantern and Superman.
   52. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 07:37 PM (#513905)
Yes, and when Pete "Galactus" Rose shows up to enter the HOM, he will summon the Fantastic Four of John Murphy, JoeDimino, Chris J, and karlmagnus to defeat him. ;)

You can count on me, but I'm not sure about the others (especially Joe), though the Hustler is undeniably qualified.
   53. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 07:47 PM (#513907)
Do you guys think it would be better for us to organize this page by position instead of alphabetically.

I think it's a great idea, Joe!
   54. Jeff M Posted: March 24, 2004 at 11:11 PM (#513914)
With DC, definitely Batman (my favorite), then the Justice League of America, the Flash, Green Lantern and Superman.

Forgot about Green Lantern. I liked him a lot.

I think Chris Cobb is Batman, because he has lots of statistical "gadgets".

We'll make JoeDimino Spiderman, since he's responsible for this "Web" project.

I'd like to be the Green Hornet, if there are no objections. :)
   55. Marc Posted: March 24, 2004 at 11:42 PM (#513915)
I think of this as the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

George Wright played with the barnstorming and nearly unbeaten Washington Nationals in 1867, then in 1869 and 1870 he was the unquestioned star of the Cincinnati Red Stockings, the first all-pro baseball team, which won (what?) 112 games in a row or something like that.

It was the Brooklyn Atlantics of Joe Start and Dickey Pearce who finally ended that streak. Start drove in the winning run.

In 1871 when the NA was started, George was pretty much acknowledged as the greatest player in the game right then, though Start had probably had the greatest total career to that time. Sorta like Mantle and Williams circa 1958.
   56. Rick A. Posted: March 25, 2004 at 02:37 PM (#513920)
David,

Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )
   57. Rick A. Posted: March 25, 2004 at 02:40 PM (#513921)
David,

Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )
   58. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2004 at 02:46 PM (#513922)
Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )

What Rick said. :-D
   59. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 11:30 AM (#513924)
Not to be too obvious, but why not organize the HoM plaque room like the HoF at www.baseballhalloffame.com? They actually do a good job with the recent electees, searchable lists for previous electees, teams, positions, vote totals, you name it.

Just a thought.
   60. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 11:35 AM (#513925)
Not to be too obvious, but why not organize the HoM plaque room like the HoF at www.baseballhalloffame.com? They actually do a good job with the recent electees, searchable lists for previous electees, teams, positions, vote totals, you name it.

Just a thought.
   61. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 26, 2004 at 01:31 PM (#513926)
Yest and Evan make good points. BTW Evan, are you planning to join our group?
   62. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 03:09 PM (#513927)
Been thinking about it, just have no idea where I'll manage to find the time to actually put together a ballot every two weeks...
   63. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 03:14 PM (#513928)
Been thinking about it, just have no idea where I'll manage to find the time to actually put together a ballot every two weeks...
   64. jimd Posted: March 26, 2004 at 07:17 PM (#513929)
Evan, actually, the first ballot is the hardest. After that the inflow of new candidates is fairly manageable, though not to say there aren't any difficult decisions.
   65. Dag Nabbit Posted: March 26, 2004 at 07:35 PM (#513930)
Which makes this a very good time to start. This election & the next aren't going to be particularly controversial.
   66. Paul Wendt Posted: April 18, 2004 at 09:14 PM (#513931)
David Foss #130
   67. Paul Wendt Posted: April 18, 2004 at 09:19 PM (#513932)
David Foss #130
   68. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 01:00 PM (#513935)
Birth states of HOMers active in 1871, if I tally correctly:

NY 5: Barnes, Start, Sutton, White, Wright,
   69. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 05:48 PM (#513936)
Howie Menckel published a tally of "regular" HOM-ers thru 1924, by playing season beginning in 1871.
   70. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 09:04 PM (#513937)
Distribution of 38 championship seasons --reasonably well aligned in some proportional font :-(

o + + + + . o + + + :: Wright
   71. jimd Posted: April 19, 2004 at 10:57 PM (#513938)
IIRC, Wright is also a member of the championship teams of 1867 (Washington Nationals) and 1869-70 (Cincinnati Red Stockings). If that is true, that gives him 10 championships in 13 seasons 1867-1879. Which would mean he could stand next to Bill Russell and not be embarrassed (even if he was a trifle shorter ;-)
   72. Marc Posted: April 20, 2004 at 10:21 AM (#513940)
For those of you who have been riveted by my "reconsideration" posts ;-) I can and will tell you that my one regret was forgetting to include Al Reach in my recon. of 2Bs. He would not be at the bottom of the list.
   73. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 20, 2004 at 12:08 PM (#513941)
For those of you who have been riveted by my "reconsideration" posts ;-)

Actually, they have been worthwhile (even when I disagreed an aspect of one of them).

BTW, I would place Reach higher, too, FWIW.
   74. Paul Wendt Posted: April 22, 2004 at 11:06 AM (#513943)
Spalding and Barnes (from their junior days, 1866 or 1867), Wright and McVey (1869-1870), White and Sutton (1870) were teammates before 1871.

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   75. DavidFoss Posted: May 16, 2004 at 12:05 PM (#630796)
Bump! Thanks for resurrecting all the old threads Joe!

Many posts -- including the team standings -- have been chopped. Google's cache has been updated and is now post-move. Anyone have the standings saved somewhere?
   76. DavidFoss Posted: July 18, 2004 at 01:03 PM (#740052)
I miss those cap standings... I recreated some standings with the existing plaques/caps only. (through 1918):

1. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
2. Giants - 6 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Rusie, Ward)
3. Cubs - 5 (Anson, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly)
4. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
5T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
5T. Phillies - 2 (Delahanty, Hamilton)
5T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
8T. Pirates - 1 (Clarke)
8T. Indians - 1 (Flick)
8T. Reds - 1 (McPhee)
8T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
8T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
8T. Philadephia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
   77. DavidFoss Posted: July 18, 2004 at 02:19 PM (#740195)
I know we usually wait for the plaques to go up (especially because the cap choice is not up to me). But, I wanted to know what the list would look like today.

I put JJackson on the Indians, he played a bit more with the Sox, but his peak was with Indians. With the war and the scandal occuring while on the Sox, the Indians seemed like a decent choice.

Kelley & Keeler went to the old Orioles. Could have put Keeler on the Yankees I suppose, but I went with peak.

PROVISIONAL...
SUBJECT TO CHANGE...
INSERT GENERIC DISCLAIMER HERE.... :-)

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
3. Cubs - 6 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Indians - 3 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
12T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
12T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
12T.Detroit Wolverines (Bennett)
12T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
12T.Philadephia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
12T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
12T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
12T.Tigers - 1 (Crawford)
12T.White Sox - 1 (Walsh)
12T.Home Run Johnson's Cap - 1
12T.Frank Grant's Cap - 1
12T.Pete Hill's Cap - 1
   78. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 19, 2004 at 07:19 PM (#741901)
I put JJackson on the Indians

That's where I have him, too.

Kelley & Keeler went to the old Orioles. Could have put Keeler on the Yankees I suppose, but I went with peak.

I agree.

12T.Home Run Johnson's Cap - 1
12T.Frank Grant's Cap - 1
12T.Pete Hill's Cap - 1


For Johnson, I have him with the Brooklyn Royal Giants. Grant: Cuban Giants. Pete Hill: Chicago American Giants.
   79. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: July 26, 2004 at 04:58 PM (#756723)
I may be mistaken, but I was always under the impression that Al Spalding played quite a significant role with the White Stockings after his days as a player (he may have been owner/GM, so to speak). Given that, I was a bit surprised to see his hat selection refer to his Boston days.

Am I imagining this?
   80. DavidFoss Posted: July 26, 2004 at 10:43 PM (#757986)
Am I imagining this?

Nope... you are correct. He was born in Byron, IL. Started playing NABBP ball 15 miles NE of there for the Rockford Forest City Club. He played at Rockford from 1867-70 along with Ross Barnes. When the NA formed in 1871 he and Barnes jumped to the new Boston Red Stockings which was made up of many former Cincinnati players. He pitched there from 1871-75. When the NL formed he jumped back home to Illinois as player/manager of Chicago having one year good year on the mound and one mediocre year at first base... plus token appearance in 1878.

According to Nemec's 19th Century Encyclopedia: By 1879, Spalding had become part owner of the Chicago Club. Also in that season, balls manufactured by his sporting goods company had replaced the old Mahn ball. In 1882, upon the death of William Hulbert, Spalding assumed the presidency of the Chicago club. They mention him as performing GM-like duties (the trade of King Kelly, etc). I'm not sure

As for the cap. I guess this is for playing careers. He played 4 years in Rockford, 5 years in Boston and 2+ years in Chicago. His 5 years in Boston comprise most of his peak seasons as well. Its not up to me to pick the caps, but seems reasonable to me.

For the same reasons, if Clark Griffith was every inducted, I would suspect that he would wear a Cub hat and not a Senators one.
   81. DavidFoss Posted: July 26, 2004 at 10:47 PM (#757999)
Ugh... typos... "ever inducted".

Also, the "I'm not sure" was the start of me saying I wasn't sure when he finished him front office duties. He died in 1915. His DeadBall Obitiuary mentions him handing the reins over to James Hart in 1895, though Nemec mentions that Spalding betrayed Anson in 1898 which precipiated Cap's leaving the organization. Evidently, Anson had been promised controlling interest in the club and Spalding later reneged.
   82. DavidFoss Posted: July 26, 2004 at 10:51 PM (#758009)
Thanks to John Murphy for the cap information on Sheckard and Caruthers. As he correctly points out, Caruthers and Wallace are both wearing "St Louis Browns" caps, but the standings list the future names of those franchises.

1930 Standings:

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Indians - 3 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
12T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
12T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 1 (HRJohnson)
12T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 1 - (PHill)
12T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
12T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
12T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
12T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
12T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
12T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
12T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
12T.Tigers - 1 (Crawford)
12T.White Sox - 1 (Walsh)
   83. Joe Dimino Posted: July 30, 2004 at 05:01 AM (#764692)
this should go to hot topics now.
   84. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 12:14 PM (#771662)
I'm starting to take care of the cobwebs and dust around here. :-D I'll be finished no later than by the end of the week.

BTW, if there is something that you want to add to a plaque, feel free by posting it here and I'll take a look at it.

Thanks to Jim Furtado and Dan S for allowing me access to the site (and especially to Joe for giving me the chance to take another burden off his back)!
   85. PhillyBooster Posted: August 02, 2004 at 12:50 PM (#771728)
BTW, if there is something that you want to add to a plaque, feel free by posting it here and I'll take a look at it.

Sure, maybe in your free time you could add a plaque for Jake Beckley and Rube Foster? I'm sure no one would notice.
   86. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 12:53 PM (#771739)
Sure, maybe in your free time you could add a plaque for Jake Beckley and Rube Foster? I'm sure no one would notice.

All in good time, PhillyBooster. :-)
   87. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 01:42 PM (#771842)
Baker, Bennett, Brown, Caruthers and Collins have been added. More to come...
   88. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 02:21 PM (#771910)
Crawford, Grant, Hill, Jackson and Johnson are on board.
   89. DavidFoss Posted: August 02, 2004 at 02:21 PM (#771911)
Great work John...

Its a minor semantic nitpick, but I'm a fan of including pennant winners as a super-set of the World Series winners. That would make a total of 6 pennants for Baker. Contrast this with Fred Clarke's plaque.
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