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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy is the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.


The current roster (237 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (63): Pete Alexander+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Stan Coveleski, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (19): Cap Anson+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (21): Ross Barnes+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (25): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (21): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

+ first-year candidate honorees (130)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (15)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (8)

2009 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 18 (Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.   Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.  Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9.   Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
10T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
10T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
10T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14.  Red Sox - 8 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Nationals - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
25T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
25T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
25T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
25T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
25T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
25T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
25T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
25T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
25T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
34T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
34T. Astros - 1 (JWynn)
34T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
34T. Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
34T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
34T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
34T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
34T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
34T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
34T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
34T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
34T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
34T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
34T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
34T. Mets - 1 (Seaver)
34T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
34T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
34T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
34T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
34T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2008 Cap Standings by City
1T. Chicago - 28 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T. New York - 28 (Berra, Bresnahan, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3. Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T. Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T. St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6. Boston - 16 (Barnes, Boggs, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T. Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
11. Cincinnati - 9 (Bench, Groh, Jones, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12T. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
12T. San Francisco - 6 (Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
16T. Los Angeles - 3 (Drysdale, Koufax, D. Sutton)
16T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
16T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
16T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
21T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
21T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
21T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
24T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
24T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
24T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
24T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
24T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
24T. Houston - 1 (J. Wynn)
24T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
24T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
24T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
24T. Toronto – 1 (Stieb)
N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1. New York (41)
2. Pennsylvania (33)
3. Illinois (28)
4. Ohio (27)
5. Missouri (23)
6. California (18)
7. Massachusetts (16)
8. Michigan (13)
9. Maryland (10)
10. Wisconsin (6)
11. Minnesota, Quebec, District of Columbia (3)
12. Cuba, New Jersey, Rhode Island (2)
13. Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ontario, Texas (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

We’ll leave the current inductees at the top of the list until the next election ends at the end of this year.



Newly Elected This Year



Rickey Henderson – 2009 – LF/CF/DH
19.7 seasons with: Oakland (AL) 1979-84, 1989-95, 1998; New York (AL) 1985-89; Toronto (AL) 1993; San Diego (NL) 1996, 2001; Anaheim (AL) 1997; New York (NL) 1999-2000; Boston (AL) 2002; Los Angeles (NL) 2003
Cap: Oakland A’s (AL)
The greatest and most prolific base stealer in baseball history (he holds the ML career record for stolen bases with 1,406 and the single-season record with 130 in 1982). “The Man of Steal” is also acclaimed as the finest leadoff batter in ML history due to his unique combination of excellence in both reaching base and for his ability to advance once there. He retired with the career records for both runs (2,295) and walks (2,190), as well as career leadoff home runs (81), while compiling 3,055 hits, and a career OBP of .401. His speed was an asset in the field and blessed with fine hands (he entertained fans with his famous “snatch catch”), Henderson led left fielders in putouts 4 times, both games and fielding percentage twice and double plays once. A member of two wild cards (1999 and 2000), three division-winners (1981, 1992 and 1996) and three pennant-winners (1990 and the World Champions of 1989 and 1993). AL MVP (1990). ALCS MVP (1989). AL Gold Glove (1981). Three-time AL Silver Slugger-OF (1981, 1985 and 1990). Eight-time STATS, Inc. AL Outfielder (1980-81, 1983-86, 1989-90). Three-time Win Shares AL MVP (1981, 1985, 1990). Three-time Win Shares AL Silver Slugger Award (1981, 1985, 1990). Three-time Win Shares AL Gold Glove Award (1980-81, 1986). Eleven-time All-Star (1980, 1982-91). AL leader for OBP (1990), OPS (1990), R (1981, 1985-86, 1989-90), H (1981), BB (1982-83, 1989, 1998), SB (1980-86, 1988-91, 1998), Adj. OPS+ (1990), RC (1990), Adj. BtRuns (1990), BtWins (1990), TOB (1980). OWP (1990), Power/Speed Number (1985-86, 1990, 1993). Retired with the A’s’ career records for R (1,270), BB (1,227), SB (867), RC (1,264), TOB (3,050) and Power/Speed Number (280.1), as well as the Yankees’ single-season records for SB (93 in 1988) and Power/Speed Number (42.4 in 1986) and their career record for SB (326).

John McGraw – 2009 – 3B/SS
8.0 seasons with: Baltimore (AA) 1891; Baltimore (NL) 1892-99; St. Louis (NL) 1900; Baltimore (AL) 1901-02; New York (NL) 1902-06
Cap: Baltimore Orioles (NL)
In addition to his status as one of the game’s legendary managers, the “Little Napoleon” was also the best third baseman of the 1890s (he retired with the hot corner record for career OPS+ with 135). Dedicated to winning at any cost, he took advantage of the rulebook at every opportunity. Holding both the 19th century (all batters) and third baseman single-season (.548) and career (.465) records for OBP, the left-handed leadoff hitter and hit-and-run specialist boasted 7 qualifying seasons with at an OBP over .400 (including twice over .500) and a BA over .300 (including a third baseman record of.334 for his career and the single-season mark of .391 established in 1899), 5 seasons of more than 100 runs and over 100 walks 3 times. One of his era’s fastest players (he stole 438 bases during his career), “Mac” was also regarded as a crack defensive player. Member of two pennant-winners (1894 and 1895) and the Temple Cup winners of 1896 and 1897. Three-time STATS, Inc. AL Third Baseman (1898-1900). NL leader for OBP (1897, 1899-1900), R (1898-99), BB (1898-99), BtWins (1898) and Times on Base (1898). AL leader for HBP (1901). Retired with the Orioles’ franchise single-season records for OBP (.547 in 1899), BB (124 in 1899), OPS+ (tied: 168 in 1899), BtWins (5.5 in 1899) and OWP (.824 in 1899) and the career records for OBP (.461), G (848), AB (3,163), PA (3,915), R (840), BB (642), SB (369), and TOB (1,793).

Reggie Smith  - 2009 – RF/CF/1B
12.4 seasons with: Boston (AL) 1966-73; St. Louis (NL) 1974-76; Los Angeles (NL) 1976-81; San Francisco (NL) 1982
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
An outstanding five-tool player with a career OPS+ of 137, Smith was the second-best slugging switch hitter in ML history when he retired (having belted 314 home runs, Smith is the only man to have hit 100 homers in both major leagues; he is also the only player to hit a home run from both sides of the plate in a game twice in each league). The second and last player at the time of his enshrinement to appear in the World Series and All-Star game for both the NL and AL, he topped a .300 BA 6 times, a .500 slugging percentage 5 times, twice hit at least 30 home runs in a season, scored over 100 runs twice and drove in 100 runs once. Smith also had one season with 100 walks and once led the NL in OBP (1977 - .427.) Having one of his generation’s finest arms and plentiful speed on defense, the well respected Smith led his league in assists twice and also once each in games, putouts and double plays (all as a right fielder), as well as once each in assists, putouts and games (as a center fielder.) A member of four pennant-winners (1977, 1978, the “Impossible Dream” team of 1967 and the World Champions of 1981; in his 4 Fall Classic appearances, he hit a combined 6 homers, had 13 RBI and runs scored each and notched a .521 SLG). AL Gold Glove Award winner (1968). Three-time STATS, Inc. NL Outfielder (1974, 1977-78). Three-time Win Shares AL Gold Glove Award (1967-68, 1970). Ten-time All-Star (1969, 1972, 1974-75, 1977-78, 1980). AL leader for TB (1971), 2B (1968, 1971) and XBH (1971). NL leader for OBP (1977), Adj. OPS+ (1977), OWP (1977) and Sac. Flies (1977).

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   801. yest  Posted: July 25, 2006 at 03:43 PM (#2111726)
Joe Cronin
hit 302/390 with 2285 hits
100 rbis 8 times
led in fielding % twice
   802. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:21 PM (#2111756)
Joe Cronin
hit 302/390 with 2285 hits
100 rbis 8 times
led in fielding % twice


I included everything except the hits.
   803. Dizzypaco  Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:29 PM (#2111764)
An extremely versatile player, he starred at multiple positions throughout his career.
I thought that was because of his lack of versatiley


This time out I agree with Yest. I would definitely not describe Killebrew as the type of player who starred at multiple positions. It much closer to say that he was a great hitter who also played a couple of different positions.

I think the jury is out on how good Killebrew was defensively. My instinct is that he was okay at first, and not okay at the other positions he played, although that's probably biased by strat-o-matic cards I played with growing up. Still, unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I do not believe he could have adequately played second or third for most or all of his career. "Starring at muliple positions" strongly implies that he could have been a near gold glover at those positions, and I don't think that's accurate.
   804. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:38 PM (#2111771)
"Starring at muliple positions" strongly implies that he could have been a near gold glover at those positions, and I don't think that's accurate.

I think anyone reading all of the plaques can read between the lines and figure out that his defense wasn't his strong suit, but how about this:

A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
   805. yest  Posted: July 25, 2006 at 06:46 PM (#2111870)
A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
I like it better

Buck Ewing
hit 300 10 times
led in fielding % once
   806. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 26, 2006 at 01:57 PM (#2113238)
Buck Ewing
hit 300 10 times
led in fielding % once


Okay, yest.
   807. yest  Posted: July 26, 2006 at 03:34 PM (#2113495)
Bobby Doerr
hit 409/458/591 in the 1946 WS
held the AL record for 414 chances without an error
five times in fielding percentage
I have 4 1942-43, 1946, and 1950 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
   808. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 29, 2006 at 03:41 PM (#2116967)
yest:

I did everything except:

held the AL record for 414 chances without an error

Did he have that record at the time of his retirement?
   809. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 29, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2117449)
I made minor changes to two caps:

Joe Jackson: from Cleveland Indians to Cleveland Naps

Clark Griffith: from Chicago Cubs to Chicago Colts
   810. yest  Posted: July 29, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2117493)
held the AL record for 414 chances without an error

Did he have that record at the time of his retirement?

I got that on his HoF plaque and could only find this on the subject

....With the Cubs in 1962, Kenny Hubbs was a twenty-year-old sensation on an old ninth-place team. He was in the starting lineup on opening day. On June 12 he made an error. He didn't make another one until 78 games later. First he broke the 56-game National League second-base record set by Red Schoendienst, and then he broke the 73-game major league record set by Bobby Doerr. Doerr also held the record of 414 consecutive chances without an error. Hubbs broke that too, handling 418 chances in a row before throwing away a routine grounder on September 5.
   811. yest  Posted: July 29, 2006 at 10:57 PM (#2117498)
Pud Galvin
retired with the career record for assists 1404
   812. Mark Shirk (jsch)  Posted: July 31, 2006 at 06:07 AM (#2119332)
I don't like the 'not complaining about it' at the end. I would take that off.
   813. yest  Posted: July 31, 2006 at 07:41 AM (#2119351)
John I also found this on baseball libary

» July 13, 1943: The AL edges the NL 5-3 at Shibe Park in the first All-Star Game played under the lights. Bobby Doerr of the Red Sox is the hitting hero with a 3-run HR off Mort Cooper in the second inning. Vince DiMaggio of the Pirates has a single, triple and HR in three trips. Doerr also handled six fielding chances. At the All-Star break he had handled 307 errorless chances, dating back to May 20th. His AL streak will end at 349 chances, a record he will break in 1948.
   814. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: July 31, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2119784)
I don't like the 'not complaining about it' at the end. I would take that off.

My last change :-) in regard to the Killebrew plaque (unless to correct a data error):

A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without any reservations.

Took care of the Doerr and Galvin plaques, yest.
   815. yest  Posted: July 31, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2119854)
HR Baker
led in total chances 7 times (I saw 8 in an article but counted 7 in 1909-10 1912-14 1917-18 )
retired with the AL record for the most putouts in a season 233 in 1913 (broken by Kamm in 1927 and 28 currently 3rd)
led in fielding % 3 times according to retrosheet and twice according to Total Baseball (1912 is up for dispute with Total Baseball giving it to Terry Turner who had 951 fielding % in 345 chances and 103 games while HR Baker had a 942 fielding % in 572 chances and 149 games)


Santo led the NL in total chances 8 times
I saw in a few articles on him he led 9 times

Were you able to count them?

I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68
   816. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: August 07, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2130757)
New plaques are up!

I don't know when I'll get to those changes, yest. I'm taking a real estate course this month and time is very limited.
   817. DavidFoss  Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#2130852)
Braves & Reds each get a cap. Its the least we can do for making them play in the Western division despite being further east than Chicago or Saint Louis.

<u>1982 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1T. Cubs - 13 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard)
1T. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 10 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
9. Phillies - 7 (Alexander, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
21T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
21T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
21T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
21T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
21T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
21T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
21T.Orioles - 2 (Sisler, Wallace)
21T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   818. rawagman  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 05:24 AM (#2133111)
the Orioles’ single-season record for (49 in 1966)


I assume you meant to write: "the Orioles' single-season record for HR (49 in 1966)"
   819. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 07:34 AM (#2133117)
I assume you meant to write: "the Orioles' single-season record for HR (49 in 1966)"

Oops! I'll change that now before I run out to class. Thanks!
   820. Chris Fluit  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 11:38 AM (#2133334)
Looks like the Tigers missed their chance for a complete team when we passed on George Kell.
   821. Paul Wendt  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:20 PM (#2133387)
.
> Losing three digits from your hand may be viewed as a negative by the vast majority of us,
> but Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown would definitely disagree.</i>

to info on Cindy Thompson, Three Finger, new book biography
2006-08-09: "for those of you who have been waiting, Three Finger: The Mordecai Brown Story is now available." -CT
   822. Paul Wendt  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:35 PM (#2133419)
There is too much junk at University of Nebraska Press for me to view the cover image now.
As I recall, it is Mordecai's three-finger grip based on a contemporary image.
   823. DavidFoss  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:41 PM (#2133433)
I was able to get here:

U of N Press page on the book

From there, one can click on the image to enlarge.

Its a pretty cool cover.
   824. Paul Wendt  Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:43 PM (#2133438)
A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
(once playing third and first when only eight men showed up at the park)

He once achieved "the split", fielding a bunt toward the hot corner while planting a toe on the initial sack.
   825. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: August 21, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#2151094)
New plaques are up!
   826. DavidFoss  Posted: August 21, 2006 at 10:30 PM (#2151352)
Caps for Dick Allen & Billy Williams. Cubs have the cap lead to themselves now. No ties in the top five now and a gap separates the top nine franchises from the rest of the field.

<u>1983 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 10 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
21T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
21T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
21T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
21T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
21T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
21T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
21T.Orioles - 2 (Sisler, Wallace)
21T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   827. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 08:55 AM (#2164456)
Since I finished my real estate course Wednesday, I have time to go over some past posts now.

Paul, I updated TF Brown's plaque. Thanks for spotting that.

Yest, I did everything from post# 895, except:

led in fielding % 3 times according to retrosheet and twice according to Total Baseball (1912 is up for dispute with Total Baseball giving it to Terry Turner who had 951 fielding % in 345 chances and 103 games while HR Baker had a 942 fielding % in 572 chances and 149 games)

I don't know which one to pick.

Were you able to count them?
I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68


So Santo only had those 8 years leading in total chances?
   828. yest  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 11:57 AM (#2164676)
Were you able to count them?
I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68

So Santo only had those 8 years leading in total chances?

yes

Charlie Gehringer
Excellent hands and range helped him achieve the league lead in fielding percentage nine times
I have 7 1929-30, 1935-37, 1939, and 1941 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
A solid offensive player, the left-handed Gehringer had good power and patience at the plate for a player at his position. As a base stealer, he was a fine percentage player for his era.
A solid offensive player (hit 320/404 with 2839 hits hitting 300 13 times), the left-handed Gehringer had good power (40 doubles 7 times) and patience at the plate (1186 walks) for a player at his position. As a base stealer, he was a fine percentage player for his era(181 steals with a 67% success rate.)
Member of three pennant winners (1934, 1940 and the World Champs of 1935)
Member of three pennant winners (1934 (hitting 379/438/517), 1940 and the World Champs of 1935 (hitting 375/423/500))
and most career BB (10, 237).
there’s a space in between the comma and the 2
   829. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2164796)
Took care of Gehringer, yest, except:

the left-handed Gehringer had good power (40 doubles 7 times)

I mentioned that he had the AL record for career homers for a second baseman instead. I also left out the SB info.
   830. yest  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 01:51 PM (#2164806)
Roger Hornsby
2930 hits
retired for the NL single season record for Total Bases 450 in 1922
retired for the NL single season record for run created 206 in 1922
retired for the NL single season record for slugging% 7560 in 1925
retired for the NL career record for slugging% .5783
hit 402 from 1921-25
retired with the career record for highest obp by a righty 4337
retired for the NL single season record for most hits by a righty in a season 250 in 1922
Retired with numerous records including the major league second base career records for HR (264)
Retired with numerous records including the major league second base career records for HR (264 (301 total))
   831. DavidFoss  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 03:46 PM (#2164934)
Rajah's plaque isn't meaty enough? He's 3rd all-time in black ink behind Ruth & Cobb. Simply an ocean of possible information for that plaque, especially considering that Ruth & Cobb were both in the other league.
   832. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 04:26 PM (#2164975)
Rajah's plaque isn't meaty enough?

I agree with your sentiment, David. Hornsby, Ruth, Gehrig, etc. just can't have every record attached to their plaques. Besides, they don't need them like many of the others (where padding can't hurt). Anybody reviewing the no-brainers' plaques has to know that they were stars of the first magnitude. With that said, I doubt that I will add anything else to Hornsby's plaque.
   833. rawagman  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 04:52 PM (#2164999)
I wouldn't mind that mark of a four season average of .402 going up. That's very impressive.
   834. DavidFoss  Posted: September 01, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2165052)
That's five seasons. :-)

I got nothing against more info on the Rajah plaque. There's a lot that could go up, though, so look at all of it. For example, he won six consective 'Sabermetric Triple Crowns' (avg/obp/slg) from 1920-25 and tacked on a seventh in 1928.

"Perenially led the National League in most offensive statisics". :-)
   835. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 05, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2168552)
New plaques are up!
   836. DavidFoss  Posted: September 06, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2168868)
Joe Torre gives the Braves their 11th cap while the Brooks Robinson helps the O's become the last of 'The Sixteen' franchises to get their third cap. Both franchises were among the first four division title winners when the leagues were partitioned in 1969.

The Orioles are now tied with their namesake NL franchise. The NL-Orioles, their syndicate sister in Brooklyn and the Braves franchise (as the Beaneaters) won every NL pennant between 1891-1900.


<u>1984 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   837. Chris Fluit  Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2168927)
I was just wondering how long it will take 'The Sixteen' exclusive franchises of MLB 1901-1960 to distance themselves from the rest of the pack. The highest capped team that isn't a part of 'The Sixteen' is the Buffalo Bisons, currently tied at 13 with 4 caps. The Reds and the Twins need 1 cap each to pass Buffalo by. While the trailing franchises of the Red Sox and the Orioles need 1 to break free from a handful of Negro League franchises and a second one to pass the Bisons.

The Reds won't have much of a problem pulling away. We'll start electing them in bunches with Bench in '89 and Morgan in '90, followed by Rose in '92 or '93 depending on boycotts.

The Twins only need the one cap but they might be hard-pressed to get it for a while. Jim Kaat looks to be their best shot but he shows up in a pretty stacked year ('89) and may have to wait a bit before he gets in.

The Red Sox and Orioles will both pick up pretty easy fourth caps in 1989 and 1990 with Carl Yastrzemski and Jim Palmer. The Red Sox have a couple of shots at that second cap- Luis Tiant in '88, Jim Rice in '95, Fred Lynn in '96- but none of those candidates is the shoo-in of a Yaz. However, they won't have to wait forever. Well, not unless the powers that be decide to give Fisk a White cap instead of a Red one when he's inducted in '99 or 2000.

As for the Orioles: after Palmer, there's one dark horse candidate in Ken Singleton (1990). But other than that, they'll have to wait until 2003 when Eddie Murray becomes eligible.
   838. DavidFoss  Posted: September 06, 2006 at 10:11 AM (#2169035)
The Twins only need the one cap but they might be hard-pressed to get it for a while. Jim Kaat looks to be their best shot but he shows up in a pretty stacked year ('89) and may have to wait a bit before he gets in.

I don't think Kaat makes it. Carew (c. 1991) and Blyleven ('98) are pretty likely though.
   839. Chris Fluit  Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:16 PM (#2169376)
Thanks, David. I forgot about Carew. I always think of him as an Angel because that's the team he was playing for when I first started following baseball. But you're right that if he goes in (which seems fairly likely), it should be with a Twins hat.
   840. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 18, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2181157)
New plaques are up!
   841. DavidFoss  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2181602)
<u>1985 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2T. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
5T. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
7T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   842. rawagman  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 06:22 AM (#2181744)
John - Freehan's GGs were AL, right? Not NL.
   843. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 07:28 AM (#2181755)
John - Freehan's GGs were AL, right? Not NL.

It's corrected. Thanks, rawagman!
   844. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 07:29 AM (#2181756)
Looks like the Giants will tie the Cubs in caps in 86 when McCovey goes in.
   845. rawagman  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 04:24 PM (#2182173)
John - sorry - there's a few more NL references in Freehan's plaque.
   846. Evan  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 05:07 PM (#2182197)
The Giants will probably pull ahead with Gaylord Perry, the Cubs will even it up with Fergie Jenkins, then the Giants will pull ahead again with Darrell Evans and the Cubs will even it out with Ryne Sandberg.

This could go on for a while.
   847. DL from MN  Posted: September 19, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#2182257)
I think it's kind of funny that the Cubs lead without Tinker, Evers or Chance.
   848. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 20, 2006 at 08:30 AM (#2182835)
John - sorry - there's a few more NL references in Freehan's plaque.

I need separate league templates...
   849. Rick A.  Posted: September 21, 2006 at 08:48 PM (#2184662)
John,

Sorry, but rawagman just reminded me that I also saw a few AL references in Mel Ott's plaque a few months ago.
   850. yest  Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:50 AM (#2184777)
WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ON hORNSBY
   851. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 22, 2006 at 11:53 AM (#2185021)
WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ON hORNSBY

Why are you screaming at me, yest?

I thought we decided that his plaque is humongous as it is. Anything else is just overkill.

Sorry, but rawagman just reminded me that I also saw a few AL references in Mel Ott's plaque a few months ago.

Thanks, Rick. I'll get right on it.
   852. yest  Posted: September 22, 2006 at 02:18 PM (#2185180)
hit the caplocks by mistake


Hank Greenberg
331 HRs hit 313/412/605
retired with the AL career record for RBIs per game .947
led in fielding % once at 1st base
   853. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 22, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2185204)
hit the caplocks by mistake

That's what I thought. I knew Rogers Hornsby wouldn't get you that worked up. :-)

Hank Greenberg
331 HRs hit 313/412/605
retired with the AL career record for RBIs per game .947
led in fielding % once at 1st base


I included everything but the homers (I do have his Tiger team career record, though).
   854. Brent  Posted: September 23, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2185726)
Here are a few thoughts for your consideration for the José Méndez plaque:

- I'd probably list shortstop as his secondary position - I've seen more references to him playing shortstop than third base (though I know he played some at 3B too). (For example, Riley says he played shortstop after 1916 and continued to play some shortstop when he returned to pitching; Gary A provides his range factor at shortstop in the Dobie Moore thread--his range was excellent (as was Moore's).
- To fill in his other Cuban League teams, add Santa Clara (1923-25), Habana (1925-26), and Alacranes (1926-27).
- He was the all-time Cuban League career leader in winning percentage -- Figueredo gives his record as 76-28 (.731).
- Holds the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league with an undefeated record (3 times - 1908; 1910; and 1913-14).
- Tied the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league in winning percentage (5) -- the 3 seasons above plus 1908-09 and 1910-11.
- Famous for pitching 25 consecutive shutout innings against Cincinnati in November/December 1908. (See Mendez thread) # 70.
- Playing manager for Kansas City Monarchs.
- According to the HOF's statistics, from 1920-26 he went 27-12 in NNL play with a 2.70 ERA.
- In the 1924 NLWS, with the series tied 4-4 he pitched a 3-hit shutout in the final, deciding game.
   855. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 23, 2006 at 01:51 PM (#2186031)
Thanks, Brent. The NeL guys are the ones that need to have their plaques scrutinized the most, not to mention "puffed up" more because they don't have the statistical advantage that the major league inductees have.

- I'd probably list shortstop as his secondary position - I've seen more references to him playing shortstop than third base (though I know he played some at 3B too). (For example, Riley says he played shortstop after 1916 and continued to play some shortstop when he returned to pitching; Gary A provides his range factor at shortstop in the Dobie Moore thread--his range was excellent (as was Moore's).

I agree with you, so that has been added. I also mention his fielding prowess now.

- To fill in his other Cuban League teams, add Santa Clara (1923-25), Habana (1925-26), and Alacranes (1926-27).

Added.

- He was the all-time Cuban League career leader in winning percentage -- Figueredo gives his record as 76-28 (.731).

That has been amended.

- In the 1924 NLWS, with the series tied 4-4 he pitched a 3-hit shutout in the final, deciding game.

That definitely belongs.

- Famous for pitching 25 consecutive shutout innings against Cincinnati in November/December 1908. (See Mendez thread) # 70.
- Playing manager for Kansas City Monarchs.
- According to the HOF's statistics, from 1920-26 he went 27-12 in NNL play with a 2.70 ERA.


I don't include player-managing on plaques, since we only evaluate on-field play.

As for the other facts, they're interesting, but not truly standout (was the scoreless stretch a record? If so, I would add it then). I'm not particularly bound by this, however.

- Holds the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league with an undefeated record (3 times - 1908; 1910; and 1913-14).
- Tied the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league in winning percentage (5) -- the 3 seasons above plus 1908-09 and 1910-11.


Did Mendez play those seasons from the end of one year to the beginning of the next (IOW, 1908-09 as his first season, for example)? I'm a little confused by the dates above (the info is great and will eventually be posted, BTW). If you could elaborate further in regard to the dates, I would greatly appreciate it, Brent.

Thanks again!
   856. Brent  Posted: September 23, 2006 at 04:19 PM (#2186123)
Did Mendez play those seasons from the end of one year to the beginning of the next (IOW, 1908-09 as his first season, for example)? I'm a little confused by the dates above (the info is great and will eventually be posted, BTW). If you could elaborate further in regard to the dates, I would greatly appreciate it

I'm sorry; I know the dating is confusing. All of these Cuban League seasons were during the winter. In 1908 the season ran from January 1 to March 16, and in 1910 it lasted from February 6 to April 3; thus Figueredo dates them as 1908 and 1910. But to make them consistent with the other seasons (which usually started in December), you could refer to them as 1907-08 and 1909-10. I think that would be unambiguous as to which season is being described and consistent with the conventions for the other seasons.
   857. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: September 23, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2186206)
Thanks for the explanation, Brent. I didn't realize that the Cuban League was set up that way for those seasons.

I amended the plaque with your additions. Once again, thank you!
   858. Howie Menckel  Posted: September 23, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2186214)
I place Mendez on my lists for 1908-15 and 1918-24.
Basically, it's the equivalent of pitching at least 10 G in the top league available to the guy (or NL, AL, AA, PL, UA accepted in all cases). He gets an asterisk if he didn't pitch the equivalent of 154 IP for a 154-G season. I asterisked 1915 and 1918-22 and 1924.

Would anyone care to refine those? It's a start, and there's no way to be 'perfect,' but improvements are welcomed.
   859. yest  Posted: September 24, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2186758)
the new Greenberg plaque
he left the game with the AL career record for RBI per game witha .947 mark
with a

That's what I thought. I knew Rogers Hornsby wouldn't get you that worked up. :-)
but it does :>)

Thanks, Brent. The NeL guys are the ones that need to have their plaques scrutinized the most, not to mention "puffed up" more because they don't have the statistical advantage that the major league inductees have.

Jud Wilson
according to the HoF had a 507 slugging% for his career
455 batting avg in 3 east west all star games
Satchel Paige named Jud "Boojum" Wilson as one of the two toughest hitters he ever faced, and Josh Gibson considered Wilson the game's best hitter.
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player with at least 2,000 AB
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player (in league play) with at least 2,000 AB
   860. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 01, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2194052)
the new Greenberg plaque
he left the game with the AL career record for RBI per game witha .947 mark
with a


Got it, yest.

Jud Wilson
according to the HoF had a 507 slugging% for his career
455 batting avg in 3 east west all star games


Added.

Satchel Paige named Jud "Boojum" Wilson as one of the two toughest hitters he ever faced, and Josh Gibson considered Wilson the game's best hitter.

I usually don't add testimonials like that. I think I have done it once and that was only because I was having an extremely hard time finding stuff to add.

Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player with at least 2,000 AB
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player (in league play) with at least 2,000 AB


All Negro League stats that I add are from league play, so there's no reason to add anything else.

Thanks!
   861. Brent  Posted: October 01, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2194153)
Here's a correction for the José Méndez plaque. It reads:

tied that league’s record for consecutive seasons leading in winning percentage with 5 (1908, 1908-09, 1909-10, 1910, and 1910-11),

That should be most seasons (not consecutive seasons), and the seasons should be (1908, 1908-09, 1910, 1910-11, and 1913-14).

Also, the wording isn't quite right; Méndez set the record, which was later tied by José Acosta.

Thanks.
   862. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 02, 2006 at 07:03 AM (#2194327)
Took care of it, Brent. Thanks!
   863. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 02, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2194999)
New plaques are up!
   864. DavidFoss  Posted: October 02, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2195038)
Giants and Athletics each get a cap thanks to McCovey and Waddell. Giants tie the Cubs for the Franchise lead!

The franchises have met in the World Series four times. Once at their current locations as Bay Area rivals in the Earthquake Series of 1989 and three times in their old NY/PHI locations in 1905, 1911 and 1913. (Hard to belief it would be the other two NY/PHI teams that would end up surviving). The Giants won the first series behind four shutouts (three by Mathewson). Inductee Waddell sat out the series due to an injury obtained roughhousing with a teammate. Then the A's won the next three meetings due to the exemplary play of the early 10s and late 80s dynastic squads.

<u>1986 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1T. Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
1T. Giants - 14 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
5T. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
7T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10. Athletics - 7 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons, Waddell)
11T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
11T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   865. Chris Fluit  Posted: October 02, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2195113)
The Pirates and White Sox both look pretty good to add a 7th cap next year with Kiner and Pierce on the verge of election. That would create an even bigger gap between the top twelve and the trailing foursome of the Reds, Twins, Orioles and Red Sox.
   866. rawagman  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 05:48 AM (#2195310)
Oakland (NL) 1976


Shouldn't that read "AL", John?
   867. rawagman  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 05:50 AM (#2195311)
Three-time Win Shares NL Silver Slugger Award (1966, 1968-70).


That would be 4 times, right?
   868. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 07:11 AM (#2195317)
Thanks, rawagman. Making too many damn mistakes lately...need to triple check before I post.
   869. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 07:12 AM (#2195318)
The Pirates and White Sox both look pretty good to add a 7th cap next year with Kiner and Pierce on the verge of election.

The White Sox may receive two caps in '87 if Minoso gets it.
   870. yest  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 11:43 AM (#2195564)
Paul Hines
302 batting avg 2134 hits (remember scheduling)
NL Triple Crown (1878)
NL Triple Crown (first one)(1878)
according to some the 1st unassisted triple play 5/8/1878
led in fielding % twice
   871. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 03, 2006 at 05:33 PM (#2196363)
Paul Hines
302 batting avg 2134 hits (remember scheduling)
NL Triple Crown (1878)
NL Triple Crown (first one)(1878)
according to some the 1st unassisted triple play 5/8/1878
led in fielding % twice


Hines' plaque needed some meat on its bones, compared to later ones (Joe was more economical with the bandwith, I guess :-)

I added everything, except the hits. Yes, you're 100% right about the scheduling, but the number of hits is still not sexy enough. However, I did add a few other things to Hines' plaque to give it more heft which I think you'll approve of.
   872. yest  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2196984)
Tim Keefe
retired with the career record for strikeouts 2562
record 19 wins in a row in 1888
   873. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 08:27 AM (#2197050)
Tim Keefe
retired with the career record for strikeouts 2562
record 19 wins in a row in 1888


I took care of that, yest, plus more to puff up this very early plaque.
   874. yest  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 08:33 AM (#2197052)
George Gore
hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361
100 runs 7 times
   875. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 03:55 PM (#2197729)
George Gore
hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361
100 runs 7 times


Another early plaque, I've beefed him up.

hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361

I included the BA and the OPS, but left out the SLG. I included his OPS+, though, which says the same thing you were trying to.

Thanks!
   876. jimd  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 07:05 PM (#2198358)
Hard to belief it would be the other two NY/PHI teams that would end up surviving.

Attendance records from the 16-team era show:

Boston: The Red Sox, just about always. They were vulnerable during the 1920's, but the Braves were almost as incompetent. Once Yawkey bought the team in 1932, it was no contest.

St.Louis: During the early years, it was usually a Browns' town. 1926 put the tenants of Sportsman's Park ahead of the landlords for good.

Philadephia: In one sense it was practically always the A's. It was bad timing that the Whiz kids arrived just before the moving restraints were removed and the Mack family decided to sell. Then again, the A's were often vulnerable, but the Phillies were often worse, so in another way, indifference may be the keyword.

Chicago: During the 00's, the White Sox often outdrew the Giants as the most popular team in baseball. Chance's Cubs were the other team in town. The Black Sox scandal left a void which the Cubs would then fill. They fell apart post-war when the Sox were ascending. Back and forth.

New York: Giants! Until Ruth. Rickey's Dodgers knocked them to 3rd.

The AL initially took the lead in 4 of the 5 shared cities (though it was still somewhat close in St. Louis). 50 years of stasis allowed plenty of time for generational swings in fan loyalty, though.
   877. yest  Posted: October 04, 2006 at 11:02 PM (#2198591)
Yogi Berra
and 1 time in fielding percentage
I have twice 58 and 59 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
20 HRs 10 years in a row (11 total)
   878. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 05, 2006 at 07:47 AM (#2198672)
Yogi Berra
and 1 time in fielding percentage
I have twice 58 and 59 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
20 HRs 10 years in a row (11 total)


I added the fielding percentage amendment, yest, but his plaque doesn't need anything more. Besides, anyone reading it will know that his power was outstanding for a backstop due to his AL home run records.
   879. yest  Posted: October 05, 2006 at 08:22 AM (#2198679)
Willie Keeler
341 batting avg with 2932 hits
   880. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 05, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2199858)
Willie Keeler
341 batting avg with 2932 hits


Got it, yest.
   881. yest  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:36 AM (#2200355)
John on Keeler you put 342 instead of 341

Mel Ott
according to some sources retired with the NL record for most rbis 1860 (BB-REF give Cap Anson 1879 NL RBIs)
posted a NL record eight consecutive 100-RBI seasons
posted a NL record eight consecutive 100-RBI seasons (9 total also 9 100 runs seasons)
hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits
100 walks 10 times
   882. DavidFoss  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 10:19 AM (#2200457)
Mel Ott
according to some sources retired with the NL record for most rbis 1860 (BB-REF give Cap Anson 1879 NL RBIs)


So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits

The 414, 533 and 2876 are already in there as Giants records.
   883. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 10:37 AM (#2200469)
So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

I agree, David.

hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits

As David pointed out, except for the BA (which is now included), everything else was mentioned already.
   884. yest  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:11 PM (#2200543)
So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

they included the 19th centuray cause Anson was 2nd They may have had a different way of marking RBI's cause Anson had 1715 rbis

Sam Thompson
hit 331/384/505 in leagues that were 276/343/376
led in fielding% twice
retired with the single season record for rbis 166 in 1887
retired with the career record for At Bats per Home Run 47.12
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs)
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs(in 10 full seasons))
   885. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:41 PM (#2200736)
Sam Thompson
hit 331/384/505 in leagues that were 276/343/376
led in fielding% twice
retired with the single season record for rbis 166 in 1887
retired with the career record for At Bats per Home Run 47.12
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs)
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs(in 10 full seasons))


I did everything except the last thing, yest. If he had played only ten seasons, then maybe that would have been something to add, but he didn't.
   886. DavidFoss  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:15 PM (#2200772)
they included the 19th centuray cause Anson was 2nd They may have had a different way of marking RBI's cause Anson had 1715 rbis

Well, there is probably a cool anecdote about how they found 164 NL RBI for Anson, but I can't seem to find it right now. I'll check my old Total Baseball when I get home. They had a chapter on stuff like the Cobb/Lajoie controversy and I think Pete Alexander lost a win at some point as well (he thought he had passed Mathewson).

The HOF simply leaves the RBI column blank for Anson saying that RBI wasn't an official statistic until 1920. Ha... no help there.

Not really arguing or contesting anything, but these types of historical number changes always pique my curiosity.
   887. yest  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:17 PM (#2200774)
Roger Connor
led in fielding% 4 times all at first
   888. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:53 PM (#2200799)
Roger Connor
led in fielding% 4 times all at first


I amended his plaque, yest.
   889. yest  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:03 PM (#2200819)
Hughie Jennings
career record for most putout/game 2.66
hit 311/390
A fine batsman, the right-handed Jennings could hit for average (he owns the 19th Century record at .398 in 1896)
what record
   890. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:16 PM (#2200858)
what record

The shortstop record, yest. Thanks!
   891. yest  Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:36 PM (#2200895)
Christy Mathewson
holds the NL career record for assists 1503
20 wins a NL record 13 times (12 in a row)(at retirment)
1905-NL-Triple Crown and 1908-NL-Triple Crown
   892. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 10, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#2206072)
Boudreau was MVP in 1948, his plaque says '47.

Ay, caramba! I took care of it, Toilet Man.

Christy Mathewson
holds the NL career record for assists 1503
20 wins a NL record 13 times (12 in a row)(at retirment)
1905-NL-Triple Crown and 1908-NL-Triple Crown


His plaque is now amended, yest.
   893. yest  Posted: October 10, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2206079)
Joe McGinnity
retired with the career record for saves 24
habit of playing both games of many a doubleheader
he did it 5 times winning both 3 times
20 wins 8 years in a row
   894. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 10, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2206135)
Joe McGinnity
retired with the career record for saves 24
habit of playing both games of many a doubleheader
he did it 5 times winning both 3 times
20 wins 8 years in a row


Got it, yest.

If you plan to make his plaque 8000 pages long, this might belong on there. As a footnote.

:-)

If it were Cy Young or Walter Johnson, I would definitely agree, but McGinnity's plaque was a little lacking relatively so I didn't mind.
   895. yest  Posted: October 10, 2006 at 11:06 PM (#2206473)
If it were Cy Young or Walter Johnson, I would definitely agree, but McGinnity's plaque was a little lacking relatively so I didn't mind.
how a bought Kid Nichols who also retired with the career record for saves (17)

Kid Nichols
tied for the record for highest fielding% in a season 1000 in 1896
   896. DL from MN  Posted: October 11, 2006 at 09:34 AM (#2206726)
Who cares about saves when complete game percentages were so high? Might as well give everyone with a complete game win a save.
   897. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 11, 2006 at 11:36 AM (#2206862)
how a bought Kid Nichols who also retired with the career record for saves (17)

Kid Nichols
tied for the record for highest fielding% in a season 1000 in 1896


I added the saves, but not the other record since so many people share that record. If I could narrow it down by number of games or innings, then I might reconsider.

Who cares about saves when complete game percentages were so high? Might as well give everyone with a complete game win a save.

Good point, DL, but I like to add positive things to a plaque that are not too humongous if I can. Of course, if yest had his way, every record would be posted. :-)
   898. yest  Posted: October 11, 2006 at 12:27 PM (#2206938)
yest had his way, every record would be posted. :-)
no just the major ones but I would like to list all the things that are plausable for the plaque so you at least know your options personaly I wouldn't

Ted Lyons
pitched a 21 inning game 5/24/29
   899. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 11, 2006 at 06:42 PM (#2207430)
I assume Appling's Win Shares MVP should be in the AL, not NL (unless WS makes strange allowances for war years?)

No, it's supposed to be AL. :-) What I do when I set up new plaques is pick an old plaque (preferably one with the same position) and type in the new information. Sometimes I forget to change the old league to the new one. :-(

It's fixed now.

John Henry Lloyd is listed playing for Lincoln Giants twice in 1915.

That should have been the Lincoln Stars. When you're typing in 20 teams for some of the NeLers, it can get confusing. :-)

I never really looked at these plaques before, I bet they're full of surprises for us to find. (Just playing...they're very interesting actually.)

No, I took your comment as a good natured one. :-) What I need to do is e-mail the plaques prior to posting them to someone else to proofread them. Another pair of eyes always helps.

Thanks, Toilet Man!
   900. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: October 11, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2207442)
Ted Lyons
pitched a 21 inning game 5/24/29


I added it, yest.
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