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Looking Forward to ... — BTF's Preseason Previews Sunday, March 19, 20062006 Cincinnati RedsThe IntroGood day, welcome to Baseball Think Factory, this is the Cincinnati Reds Preview, and I'm your writer, Internet's Greg Tamer. Sit down, relax, take your pants off, and enjoy! Powered by a 12-pack of Pepsi, three 44-oz Slurpees, two Whatchamacallits, two Jolt Colas, a pound of sugar, the latest technological gizmo, season one of Magnum, p.i. playing in the background, and the constant monitoring of my Yahoo! fantasy baseball keeper league teams two weeks before the MLB season even begins, let's get started... The Review For the fifth straight season (it's only been five seasons!?) the Reds finished 2005 with a losing record, and it's now been ten straight seasons without a post-season appearance (with apologies to the '99 team who lost to the Mets in the one-game playoff for the Wild Card spot). But at least they haven't finished below a .400 winning percentage since 1982 when 34-year-old Johnny Bench was starting at 3B (not that he was their biggest problem that year; just a fun fact, that's all). And, of course, there's still 1990 to reminisce about. Bah! The problem here is the feeling of a lack of a future. Five years of losing wouldn't be as bad if it had progressed, as say, what happened recently in Cleveland when they purged the remnants of their previous championship-caliber squad and started anew with their next generation of young players. And it only took the Indians three years to do it, too! The Reds don't seem to have a next generation. Sure, the last few years have introduced Adam Dunn, Austin Kearns, Wily Mo Pena, Felipe Lopez, and now, hopefully, Edwin Encarnacion, but where's the starting pitching? Where's the bloody starting pitching!? How is it possible for a team to go for so long without developing a great starting pitcher? Probably best not to answer that. So despite having the best offense in the NL last year, the Reds failed due to their abysmal combination of pitching and fielding. Splendid! At least Griffey won the Comeback Player of the Year award. Yawn. So let's forget about the last five years and discuss the recent changes and then look forward to the upcoming year... The Changes The changes started on June 21, 2005, when the last-place Reds fired manager Dave Miley and pitching coach Don Gullett. Replacing them were bench coach Jerry Narron and Minor League pitching coordinator Vern Ruhle (who sadly was recently diagnosed with cancer, but will continue his coaching duties), and these two guided the Reds to 46-46 record for the remainder of the season. How much credit should be given to these two for their .500 winning percentage is uncertain, but it's worth noting nonetheless. This past December, general manager Dan O'Brien (no, not the former U.S. decathlete) signed Narron and Ruhle for the 2006 season, non-tendered pitchers Ramon Ortiz and Joe Valentine, re-signed catcher Jason LaRue and super utility Ryan Freel, and signed pitcher Chris Hammond. He also made two trades, and I'll now remember December 8th as the day Lennon was shot (1980), the day Britain, Australia, and the United States declared war on Japan (1941), the day of the official end of the USSR (1991), the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary (date of conception unknown, let's say approximately 22 B.C.), and when O'Brien traded first basemen and clubhouse leader Sean Casey for Pirates pitcher Dave Williams and, get this, acquired rejected Yankee second basemen (and left fielder I suppose) Tony Womack in exchange for two Minor Leaguers. Trading Casey is understandable given his expensive contract and lack of slugging while manning first base. A year or two too late, perhaps, but Williams should at least be better than the departing Ortiz. But why he would acquire 35-year-old Womack, who peaked in 1998 with the Pirates and had a fluke season in 2004 with the Cardinals, is still a mystery. What's worse is that Womack could possibly lead off and start at second base for the Reds in 2006. In the new year, O'Brien re-signed infielder Rich Aurilia (perhaps realizing having Womack as the only option at second base isn't a good idea, assuming you want Freel to remain your super utility player), signed pitcher Grant Balfour, and agreed to terms with Kearns and Aaron Harang, avoiding arbitration with them. Then early in 2006, Reds majority owner Carl Lindner stepped aside and handed off majority ownership to Robert Castellini, president of the Castellini Co., who bought about 70% of the reportedly $270-million value of the club. Castellini is another Cincinnati native, keeping with Reds tradition to keep it local. Castellini thankfully wasted no time in firing general manager Dan O'Brien, who had one year remaining on his three-year contract but had struggled to improve the Reds since the start of the off-season in 2003. And had traded for Tony Womack! O'Brien was quickly replaced by Twins assistant GM, Wayne Krivsky. Krivsky finished the off-season transactions by signing pitcher Rick White, first basemen Scott Hatteberg, outfielders Timo Perez, Quinton McCracken, and Tuffy Rhodes (all three signed to Minor League contracts), and agreed to terms with Reds left fielder (and soon-to-be starting first basemen) Adam Dunn on a two-year, $18.5 million contract (which runs through his final two arbitration years) with a $13 million club option for 2008 (which would delay his free agency by one season). Essentially O'Brien and Krivsky signed a handful of mediocre free agents, re-signed everyone important, traded Casey for Williams, and acquired Womack to compete for the starting position at second base. But they did not interfere with Encarnacion and Lopez on the left side of the infield and created a starting spot for Pena in LF by moving Dunn to 1B. But, unfortunately, they didn't really improve the pitching staff or the fielding, both of which were arguably the worst in MLB last year (and definitely were the worst when combined). After these changes the past year, the Reds now have new leadership at all levels: the clubhouse (new leader still unknown, would think veteran and future Hall of Famer, Ken Griffey Jr., would replace Casey; perhaps LaRue, who is the longest-tenured player), coaching, management, and majority ownership. I'm looking forward to seeing if this makes any bit of difference. The Regulars Catcher - Jason LaRue and Javier Valentin This two-headed monster led MLB in 2005 in team catcher OPS, narrowly edging out Victor Martinez and Josh Bard of the Indians for the honor. Both reached base well against both LHP and RHP (and only Valentin struggled with his slugging against LHP in just 38 AB), and both hit better on the road despite The Great American Ballpark being pegged as a hitter's park in 2005. Also, LaRue is very good defensively, especially his throwing, and Valentin can hold his own as well, according to Diamond Mind Baseball's ratings. So what's not to like about the catching for the Reds in 2006? Most likely their age and overall past performance. LaRue is 32 this year and probably entering his decline phase. 2005 was also his first season with an OPS above .800. He's not expected to repeat the performance (this is based solely on data with no inside information or scouting). Valentin will be 30 and didn't post an OPS even above .700 until last year. So it's not surprising to see the ZiPS projections below for LaRue (proj .766 OPS) and Valentin (proj. .788 OPS). Which is still good at the catcher position, so I have no complaints. First Base - Adam Dunn Dunn will be moving from left field to first base to replace Casey and, as mentioned earlier, allow Pena to play regularly in the outfield with Griffey and Kearns. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Hatteberg receive some playing time at 1B, however, with Dunn playing in the outfield when Griffey needs rest or when Griffey and/or Kearns make their annual trip to the disabled list. In The 1998 Big Bad Baseball Annual: The Book Baseball Deserves, Gerry Myerson in the Seattle Mariners chapter introduces Baseball Is Not A Contact Sport, or BINACS, for short. BINACS is simply adding a batter's strikeout and walk totals. It's also two-thirds of the Three True Outcomes (TTO), which also includes home runs. But let's leave out home runs since TTO is already popular. And instead of looking at BINACS as a counting stat, I want to first look at career BINACS rate. Therefore, using 1500 career PA (so just over two full seasons) as the minimum to be included, here are the players with the best BINACS rate: Rank Name PA BB SO (BB+SO)/PA 1. Dave Nicholson 1661 219 573 0.477 2. Russell Branyan 1691 200 597 0.471 3. Lefty Grove 1579 105 593 0.442 4. Rob Deer 4512 575 1409 0.440 5. Adam Dunn 2783 462 733 0.429 5. Mark Bellhorn 2185 310 628 0.429 7. Red Faber 1550 169 479 0.418 8. Jim Thome 7281 1257 1762 0.415 9. Bo Jackson 2626 200 841 0.396 10. Mickey Tettleton 5745 949 1307 0.393 11. Brad Wilkerson 2690 377 656 0.284 12. Ruben Rivera 1818 185 510 0.382 12. Tom Seaver 1552 108 485 0.382 14. Mark McGwire 7660 1317 1596 0.380 15. Pat Burrell 3578 471 886 0.379 16. Gorman Thomas 5486 697 1339 0.371 16. Jay Buhner 5927 792 1406 0.371I listed down to Buhner because he was the focal point in Myerson's article in the Seattle chapter, as Myerson pointed out that Jay Buhner with 294 BINACS in 1997 had broken Jimmy Wynn's record set in 1969 (290 BINACS). The record has since been destroyed: Year Name BB+SO 1998 Mark McGwire 317 2004 Adam Dunn 303 1999 Jim Thome 298 2002 Adam Dunn 298 2001 Jim Thome 296 1997 Jay Buhner 294 2003 Jim Thome 293 1969 Jimmy Wynn 290 2000 Jim Thome 289 2005 Adam Dunn 282Wow, Dunn and Jim Thome are yearly posting huge BINACS totals, but Mark McGwire's HR-record-breaking season tops them all. I'll bet, however, that if you adjust for league, Wynn might still come out on top. Or perhaps someone else. I'll leave that exercise for you, the reader, or maybe I'll examine that next year in Dunn's commentary space. Despite the high strikeout and walk totals, Dunn is still expected to post a minimum of .250/.375/.550 in 150+ games, and given that he's only 26 years old, the Reds could enjoy this production at first base for the next six to eight years if they can keep him or decide not to trade him for some quick-fix starting pitching. Second Base - Tony Womack Part of an e-mail I received last December from my friend, Mike: I'm driving home after a too-long day at work, 9PM ballpark. So I hear on ESPN Radio, "The NY Yankees today traded Tony Wo-" Third Base - Edwin Encarnacion Encarnacion is projected to be about four or five wins above replacement, but he could just as easily be the next Brandon Larson. Although Larson didn't have quite the track record that Edwin has. Given there is no expectation for the Reds to be competitive in the NL (at least from where I'm sitting), Encarnacion should be allowed to play through any struggles he may have. The Brewers did this last year with J.J. Hardy, and he responded with a considerably improved second-half performance. Not that this strategy works every time, and of course Encarnacion could also work out his problems in Triple-A, but the Reds have nothing to lose here. So I hope to see Encarnacion manning the hot corner all season regardless of his performance. Let the kids play! Shortstop - Felipe Lopez I'm not impressed yet, as his 2005 season could very well be a fluke or perhaps his peak. I'll feel more comfortable if in 2006 he can repeat or nearly match his 2005 performance, but he had a significant jump in batting average in 2005 from past seasons and thus the ZiPS projection of only .273/.338/.444. It's very unlikely Lopez will follow Dave Concepcion and Barry Larkin as long-lasting incredible SS for the Reds. That's a high standard, of course, and Lopez should at least be a valuable shortstop for several years. But the Reds should be keeping an eye out sooner than later for an eventual replacement. At the least, of the players involved in the December 15, 2002 four-team trade (so Erubiel Durazo, Elmer Dessens, Jason Arnold and Lopez), Lopez is the player I'd most like to have on my team right now. Left Field - Wily Mo Pena Pena's pathetic OBP is tolerable if he continues to maintain a slugging percentage near .500 or higher. Against RHP last year, he only batted .234/.282/.468, which still is excellent power against them, but a sub-.300 OBP is concerning. He probably doesn't want to become part of a platoon at the age of 24, but given the lack of depth by the Reds, he doesn't need to worry about that. He's a liability in the OF except for his arm, which means his power at the plate is all that he has right now. If he can maintain it, he should receive more respect from pitchers, and his walk rate might increase if he can accept keeping his bat on his shoulder when he doesn't have a good pitch to hit. He has yet to play a full season with the Reds, so as with Encarnacion at 3B, the Reds should simply keep Pena out there all season to see what he can do. Center Field - Ken Griffey Jr. For the 2005 season, Diamond Mind baseball handed out only four poor range ratings in CF: David Newhan, Xavier Nady, Jason Lane, and Griffey. Using David Pinto's Probabilistic Model of Range for CF in 2005, Griffey ranked last. I should also point out that Pinto's Teams Run Saved calculations have the Reds as dead last in fielding for 2005. Griffey was given a Lead Glove by David Gassko last October for his defense in CF in 2005. That's three different fielding rating evaluations all illustrating that Griffey has become a terrible defender in CF. It's time the Reds moved him. To accomplish this, they should quietly discuss the matter with Griffey and have him publicly announce that due to his age and to prevent further injury, he wants to move to LF or 1B. The Reds can then happily oblige, moving Kearns or Pena to CF. Right Field - Austin Kearns Kearns is an all-around great player (both hitting and fielding) who frustratingly cannot stay healthy, either due to bad luck, the fragileness of his body, or both. For the Reds to overcome their inevitable pitching disaster, they need Kearns, among others, to stay healthy and to be productive. Staring at this lineup: Freel, Dunn, Pena, Griffey, Kearns, Lopez, Encarnacion, and LaRue/Valentin—I see perhaps yet again the best offense in the NL. Hatteberg and Womack receiving ample amount of playing time would hurt the runs scored total, and, unfortunately, with this powerful lineup includes their collective fielding ineptitude. Kearns, however, is pretty damn good out there in RF. The Bench - Ryan Freel, Rich Aurilia, Scott Hatteberg, and Chris Denorfia Assuming the Reds carry 12 pitchers and the nine guys listed above (two catchers, one at each of the other positions), that leaves four remaining bench spots. Freel will most likely remain as the super utility player, able to play all but catcher (he probably won't appear at 1B either nor SS if Lopez remains healthy and productive). This is important considering the fragileness of Griffey and Kearns as well as the current black hole at second base. Aurilia can also play anywhere in the IF, and should probably be starting at second base. Denorfia is battling with Tuffy Rhodes (check out this article on the recent Nippon League star), Timo Perez, Quinton McCracken, and others for the fourth outfield spot. Hatteberg was signed to a one-year contract for $700,000 and isn't going anywhere. He'll probably serve as a PH and start at 1B if and when Dunn plays in the OF. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the lineup when a DH is needed (Griffey should probably DH in the inter-league games in AL parks). The Rotation
3rd starter - Aaron Harang - has right shoulder inflammation
Oh yeah, last season might actually have been the peak in pitching for this current group. I can easily see this year's pitching staff competing with 2004's as one of the worst of all time, especially if injuries require the Reds to use pitchers from their own depleted farm system. What could happen is if the Reds are desperately in need of pitching, they could trade one of Kearns, Dunn, or Pena. I realize the available free agent starting pitching was lacking in quality this past off-season, but why didn't the Reds put forth more of an effort to sign at least one of them? How about Jeff Weaver, who finally signed with the Angels late in the off-season? Or Kevin Millwood, Jarrod Washburn, or Esteban Loaiza? Harang and Claussen are acceptable for the middle of the rotation, and Williams is perfectly average (although with limited PT the last few years). And I suppose the Reds feel obligated to keep Milton in the rotation, but given Wilson is not guaranteed to have fully recovered from his shoulder surgery by the start of the season, the Reds should have signed another pitcher. The Relief Kent Mercker, David Weathers, Chris Hammond, and Rick White are most likely starting the season in the bullpen, simply because they're veterans. Ryan Wagner should be there as well. That leaves Jason Standridge, Mike Burns, Todd Coffey, Matt Belisle, and Brian Shackelford battling for the remaining spots. So I've read. Offseason-signed Grant Balfour could also compete for a bullpen spot when he returns from surgery on his rotator cuff and labrum, but he's probably not going to be able to contribute until next season given the normal recovery time from such a surgery (when did I become a medical doctor?). The Prospects Sickels List: Homer Bailey, Travis Wood, Jay Bruce, B.J. Szymanski, Phil Dumatrait, Chris Denorfia, Tyler Pelland, Joey Votto, Justin Germano, and Zach Ward are his top ten, with not one higher than a B+ rating. Bailey, of course, is being touted as the future ace for the Reds, which most likely means years of hardship and injury for the young man. The 2005 draft produced Wood and Bruce from the first two rounds, and these two are a few years away from joining the parent club. Bruce and Bailey were the only Reds in Baseball America's 2006 Top 100 Prospects list. Various other sources maintain the Reds organization as one of the worst farm systems in baseball. As a team in a small market, the farm system is one area where the Reds need to excel if they want to compete. They simply don't have the means or the attractiveness to sign top free agents. Therefore, improving the farm should be GM Krivsky's number one priority, even above trying to compete in 2006 or 2007. This doesn't involve simply drafting more intelligently, but revamping the entire Minor League system, because their current strategy, training, instruction, etc. clearly are not working. Don't worry, Wayne, I can wait, and I hope Castellini can too. The Outlook SG over at the Replacement Level Yankees Weblog ran 100 trials of the 2006 season using the Diamond Mind Baseball simulator and the first build of the 2006 ZiPS. The Reds averaged 69 wins and a last place finish in the NL Central and only made the post-season one time out of the 100. Also on average, they allowed the most runs of any team in MLB. I'll be shocked if the real-life 2006 season outcome is any better. The Conclusion (with apologies to Pulp and their incredible song, Common People)
She came from the Bronx with a thirst for baseball, 2006 ZiPS Projections - Cincinnati Reds Name P G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG Dunn* 1b 157 548 105 139 31 1 45 110 114 174 5 2 .254 .388 .560 Griffey* cf 108 403 65 113 24 0 28 78 48 80 0 1 .280 .359 .548 Kearns rf 122 431 70 111 29 2 21 72 55 118 2 1 .258 .349 .480 Pena cf 107 335 47 87 14 0 26 66 23 114 3 2 .260 .310 .534 Valentin# c 74 204 27 53 10 0 10 34 23 36 0 0 .260 .332 .456 Lopez# ss 146 556 87 152 30 4 19 75 55 109 10 7 .273 .338 .444 Encarnacion 3b 140 485 67 127 31 0 20 73 44 108 11 5 .262 .327 .449 LaRue c 113 374 42 92 25 1 14 54 34 105 1 1 .246 .336 .430 Freel 2b 116 415 65 112 20 4 4 33 55 65 32 11 .270 .364 .366 Cruz* lf 96 155 21 38 10 0 5 23 18 44 0 0 .245 .330 .406 Abad* 1b 123 415 55 107 25 1 11 58 42 64 2 3 .258 .330 .402 Aurilia ss 120 432 54 113 23 1 11 55 35 72 1 1 .262 .317 .396 Denorfia cf 148 512 76 131 21 4 13 57 53 110 7 6 .256 .327 .389 Smitherman lf 134 456 52 109 31 1 12 55 45 117 5 2 .239 .313 .390 Hatteberg* 1b 139 491 57 121 22 0 11 59 60 49 0 1 .246 .332 .358 Snyder 3b 130 491 66 114 28 1 21 74 33 119 1 1 .232 .287 .422 Gutierrez 1b 117 433 50 105 25 2 12 54 24 63 0 0 .242 .297 .393 Menechino 2b 81 235 32 53 10 1 5 25 35 52 0 2 .226 .336 .340 Votto* 1b 131 451 59 106 18 1 13 56 46 128 6 3 .235 .308 .366 Olmedo# 2b 106 317 38 84 12 2 3 26 23 58 4 3 .265 .314 .344 Moran cf 104 395 60 106 11 4 1 28 17 81 27 12 .268 .311 .324 Stratton lf 87 290 38 59 11 1 17 46 18 139 3 2 .203 .256 .424 Bergolla 2b 118 442 64 113 20 2 3 35 21 59 21 10 .256 .293 .330 Holbert 2b 106 328 43 80 16 2 4 29 20 62 16 14 .244 .299 .341 McCracken# rf 113 215 23 51 8 2 1 15 20 30 4 3 .237 .300 .307 Perez* cf 104 282 28 69 14 0 3 29 17 27 3 4 .245 .288 .326 Womack* 2b 127 436 55 107 14 2 2 34 24 55 19 6 .245 .288 .300 Wise* cf 105 341 37 76 11 4 7 37 18 71 11 5 .223 .268 .340 Wathan# ss 102 338 40 79 16 2 4 32 20 63 11 7 .234 .278 .328 Machado# ss 111 391 62 71 14 3 4 30 72 107 12 7 .182 .313 .263 Sardinha c 87 298 29 64 13 0 7 30 16 80 1 0 .215 .262 .329 Perez c 101 340 33 73 9 0 4 27 14 82 4 1 .215 .256 .276 Name W L ERA G GS INN H ER HR BB K Coffey 3 3 4.13 59 0 72.0 80 33 6 13 47 Harang 12 9 4.21 29 29 184.0 190 86 21 48 140 Phelps* 2 1 4.41 30 5 49.0 49 24 5 20 34 Hammond* 3 3 4.42 53 0 57.0 60 28 7 14 36 Weathers 5 6 4.56 72 1 81.0 80 41 9 34 63 Burns 3 4 4.71 54 0 63.0 64 33 10 18 50 Belisle 7 8 4.73 40 19 135.0 145 71 16 47 92 Mercker* 2 2 4.74 74 0 57.0 55 30 7 26 44 Kelly 7 8 4.77 23 23 134.0 145 71 14 49 84 Wagner 2 3 4.81 52 0 58.0 62 31 5 25 48 Claussen* 9 12 4.85 28 28 156.0 161 84 21 61 123 Balfour 2 2 4.89 31 0 35.0 30 19 6 19 38 Kozlowski* 5 7 4.91 24 24 132.0 147 72 16 44 83 Shackelford* 4 4 4.94 60 0 62.0 62 34 6 32 44 White 3 6 4.96 65 0 78.0 86 43 9 29 44 Ramirez 7 9 5.01 28 24 151.0 181 84 24 29 83 Simpson 3 4 5.01 57 0 70.0 63 39 8 43 72 Germano 8 11 5.02 29 28 165.0 185 92 29 40 124 Standridge 6 7 5.12 36 16 116.0 128 66 13 52 70 Hall 6 8 5.16 27 27 157.0 174 90 19 63 106 Nelson 4 6 5.20 32 10 90.0 96 52 15 33 70 Gosling* 5 9 5.22 30 24 138.0 149 80 19 57 89 Hudson 7 12 5.22 24 22 119.0 116 69 19 61 96 Wilson 6 9 5.22 25 25 150.0 171 87 22 51 89 Bong* 6 9 5.34 28 16 91.0 97 54 16 37 67 Robbins 4 5 5.40 45 1 65.0 71 39 7 34 38 Nannini 6 9 5.44 31 20 134.0 144 81 27 47 88 Williams* 6 11 5.50 26 25 131.0 138 80 21 61 96 Milton* 7 14 5.55 33 33 188.0 213 116 38 59 132 Journell 2 5 5.77 42 3 64.0 65 41 8 43 58 Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2006. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future. |
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Larry Bowa is still battling the whiplash.
Btw, I was born on December 8th
Yes, it's picking the lesser of two evils. I would prefer Griffey in LF, Kearns in CF, and Pena in RF. But if Kearns is injured or for some reason refuses to budge from RF, Pena would at least be better than Griffey, even though he still wouldn't be very good out there in CF. That's all I'm saying.
As obviously terrible as the Red outfield defense has been, I think people are still underrating how much the defense/park HR tendency has killed the pitchers. This season, the entire projected rotation members have career G/F ratios lower than league average, with 3 of the starters below 1.
Don't count on it. Womack will likely bust his *** down the line on every weak groundball. That doesn't excuse a 5-something OPS, but don't count on Marty as an ally.
That's pretty mind-boggling.
Can any Reds fans shed any light on how it is LaRue can be so good and so awful at the same time?
That was the year LaRue had 20 PB.
Not sure, though, how LaRue's PB rate for his career compares to others.
Well, it's not Geno Petralli-catching-Charlie Hough-bad, but it's pretty brutal.
Let's see if I can get the pre tag to work. Here's LaRue's PB numbers compared to a handful of active catchers picked largely off the top of my head. Piazza and Vic Martinez are intentionally listed because of their less-than-stellar defensive abilities.
Player Games PB PB/Game
LaRue 617 65 0.10535
Piazza 1530 95 0.06209
Javy Lopez 1313 93 0.07083
Victor Martinez 323 16 0.04954
Pierzynski 662 28 0.04230
Lieberthal 1079 64 0.05931
Jason Phillips 221 7 0.03167
Ramon Hernandez 796 40 0.05025
Barrett 651 48 0.07373
LoDuca 675 39 0.05778</pre>
So, anyway, his PB rate is pretty awful - beyond the point where catching 50 innings of knuckleballs would have much to do with it.
Even if you take 2002 completely out of the numbers, he's still allowing 0.08876 PB/game over the course of his career. That'd still be by far the worst rate of anyone I listed.
I think he has problems catching the ball. I watch as many of their games as possible on TV, and a couple of years ago I counted 10 straight plays at the plate where the guy would have been out if LaRue had only caught the ball and tagged him, but dropped it every time.
But I have a nit to pick. You brought up 4 FA pitchers the Reds should have made a run at:
Jeff Weaver: got 1 yr/$8.4M, and was second only to Milton in HR allowed last year (and he pitched in Chavez Ravine)
Kevin Millwood: 5/(gulp!)$60M.
Estiban Loaiza: 3/$21M for a league-average pitcher.
Jarrod Washburn: 4/$37.5M
Of the four, only Washburn makes any sense, considering the cost. And that's if 2005 is his true talent level, and not '03-04.
None of these guys could add 15 wins; 2 of them couldn't. If you accept the Reds' talent level for this year, I think the Reds did the right thing by standing pat - suck it up for another year, see if Harang and Claussen are for real, hope that there will be better pitchers to pick from next year.
Very well done, Greg. I especially like the Pulp.
I think it's rare for any pitcher to add 15 wins (150 VORP) to a team.
If you accept the Reds' talent level for this year, I think the Reds did the right thing by standing pat - suck it up for another year, see if Harang and Claussen are for real, hope that there will be better pitchers to pick from next year.
I disagree simply because their time is limited with regards to this league-leading offense. And Ken Griffey Jr. -- he probably wants the Reds to do whatever it takes to make the post-season this year and next (which I would hope includes moving him away from CF!).
The Reds now have four decent, hopefully healthy and league-average pitchers with Claussen, Harang, Williams, and Arroyo. Their best trick will be to keep Milton out of the starting lineup. Then they could possibly compete for the Wild Card ifGriffey and Kearns stay healthy, Encarnacion and Lopez play well on the left side of the infield, Tony Womack and Scott Hatteberg don't receieve too many PA, their bullpen is effective and they somehow scrounge up another starting pitcher. Then I would give them a 10%-15% chance or so instead of 1%.
Lots of verbiage to say the obvious, "The Reds blow."
Nice try at suspense though. Good effort.
Later,
H3
You know as well as I do...
1. Milton will get some starts - probably all of them. Their only hope (other than a DFA) is he has a hot start, then trade him. Otherwise, he stays an albatross thru '07.
2. Milton was a league-average, fly-ball prone pitcher before moving to GAB. So was Ortiz. I hope Williams and Arroyo fare better, but I don't count on it.
3. This move necessitates Hatteberg and Womack getting too many PA, which severely damages the league-leading offense.
4. Keeping Pena would have given them a big bat in a couple of years, when the pitching finally is good enough to keep them in contention.
You state in the article that you would be "shocked" if the Reds won more than 69 wins; you also wondered why they didn't pursue any of the big FA pitchers. Which lead to the following exchange:
None of these guys could add 15 wins
I think it's rare for any pitcher to add 15 wins (150 VORP) to a team.
Which was my point. Even at 84 wins, they wouldn't make the playoffs. If 69 wins was the threshold before, I think it'll be 65 now. They were going to score fewer runs this year anyway; now, as the dominoes fall, it becomes apparent they're going to score alot fewer.
Just to pick up a league-average pitcher.
I wanted to submit something similar to that statement to Szymborski, but I didn't think he'd accept it. Thus my ramblings.
2. Milton was a league-average, fly-ball prone pitcher before moving to GAB. So was Ortiz. I hope Williams and Arroyo fare better, but I don't count on it.
True, but he was injured in 2003 and gave up 43 home runs (23 on the road surprisingly) in 2004 with the Phillies (and their hitter's park) before coming to Cincinnati. The Reds should have realized that one, Milton gives up a lot of HRs, and two, the GABP is a home run hitting park.
Which was my point. Even at 84 wins, they wouldn't make the playoffs. If 69 wins was the threshold before, I think it'll be 65 now. They were going to score fewer runs this year anyway; now, as the dominoes fall, it becomes apparent they're going to score alot fewer.
Ah, good point on your point. I don't think they're going to score a lot fewer runs, especially if Encarnacion and Kearns can contribute all season.
But you're ultimately correct. Adding one expensive big FA pitcher wouldn't have jumped them into the playoff picture, as they'd still have the lousy fielding behind him.
Maybe the fielding won't be so lousy (Griffey excluded of course) if they have Freel and Kearns to the right and left of Griffey, Womack at 2B (ack!), and Dunn at 1B? Of course with Freel in LF and Womack at 2B, you're probably right about them scoring a lot fewer runs.
Damn.
FWIW, I've run a more comprehensive set of Diamond Mind sims with DMB, PECOTA, and ZiPS, which I've posted here. They have Cincy averaging 72 wins, but this was before the Arroyo trade, which looks like it upgrades them by 2-3 wins in 100 subsequent runs that I did.
Thanks to all for the kind words on the article.
And I unfortunately haven't had the pleasure of listening to Shatner's version of Common People.
Won't he get tired?
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