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Wednesday, April 12, 2006

2006 St. Louis Cardinals

Another year, another collection of Walt Jocketty's riverboat gambles on a team that should win 90-100 games, depending on injuries and luck. They should win that many because, like all of Tony LaRussa's winning teams, they have a solid rotation composed of established veteran starters and an established closer.

For those of you who haven't read any of my past few Cardinals analyses, I should mention that I have been studying Tony's teams since his days in Chicago with the White Sox, and without exception, his winning teams have that sort of pitching. Tony lives off of his veteran starters. If three of them have good years, he wins. If two, he might win. If only one starter holds up, he doesn't win. In no case does his offense, nor lack of it, correspond to winning. It's all about the pitching with Tony, and Jocketty, being Tony's long-term GM, knows it. Hence, the Cardinals have five veteran starters in the rotation, and hot prospect Anthony Reyes lurking in AAA, waiting for one of the starters to have an injury or a bad year. No one who knows Tony's history should be surprised. Reyes is the prospect. Tony prefers veterans. Therefore, new acquisition Sidney Ponson gets the first shot at replacing free agent Matt Morris, joining Mark Mulder, Jason Marquis, Chris Carpenter, and Jeff Suppan in the rotation. And Tony only really needs three good seasons out of these six available starters. Hence my high estimate of team wins.

Switching to offense, at first glance things look a bit dicey, as they usually do in a Walt Jocketty spring. Last year's team scored a lot of runs despite missing Scott Rolen for most of the year, but while they have Rolen back and in better health, they have lost second baseman Mark Grudzielanek, left fielder Reggie Sanders, and right fielder Larry Walker.

But wait. That's Riverboat Walt Jocketty at the table there, and he's pulling his usual stunt with the offense, which is to deal with holes by bringing in raftloads of cheap players and see who manages to have a good year. To replace Sanders, Walt brought in Juan Encarnacion, the closest thing to a guaranteed starter that Walt enlisted this season. Juan, when healthy, is Reggie Sanders lite, with about the same batting average, ten fewer homers, five more doubles, and even fewer walks than Reggie took. He was hurt last year, but Reggie Sanders is hardly the poster boy for injury freedom. All in all, Juan is not a complete replacement for Reggie, but he's enough for a team that isn't hurting for offense.

To man left field, Walt brought in everyone except the bat boy. Larry Bigbie is the projected starter, although he's hurt right now. Behind him is John Rodriguez, who had a hot late-season callup last year, but who is also nursing a bad shoulder right now and So Taguchi, a perfectly competent fourth outfielder opened the season in left, awaiting Bigbie's or Rodriguez' return to health. Behind Taguchi is Skip Schumacher, who could fill in for a month, and then there's John Gall, who can hit some but can't really play left field. None of these people is Larry Walker, but the Cardinals only got a partial season out of Walker last year, requiring them to give Taguchi much more playing time than they would like. Again, the Cards figure to lose some offense in the deal, but they have some to give, as long as the pitching is there.

At second base, Walt did the same thing, bringing in everyone he could find to deal with losing his starter. Remember that this is what he did last year, when Tony Womack left. He brought in a bunch of second basemen, and one of them was Mark Grudzielanek, and Womack had a lousy year for New York. The year before, Fernando Vina left, and Walt brought in every second baseman he could find, and one of them was Womack, and Vina didn't play well for his new team. Well, Junior Spivey is this year's Grudzielanek gamble, with Aaron Miles and Hector Luna as the competition (Deivi Cruz has already failed and been discarded). Miles opened the season at second, as Spivey has played terribly this spring, and that may be a good thing.

Miles is a slap hitter with a bit of line drive power, who doesn't take his walks, and therefore needs to hit at least .280 to be a starter. On the other hand, .280 would be his worst batting average in the last four years. He ripped up AA and AAA ball (well over .300) in 2002 and 2003, and then hit .293 and .281 in the majors the last couple of campaigns. Yes, he was in Colorado, and he did hit more at home than on the road, but his major league averages are completely consistent with the minor league ones, which were not in Colorado. If he can actually hit .290 in St. Louis, he's a find. If not, there's Spivey and Luna, the former being farmed out for the time being.

There is no doubting that all of this, nice as it is, isn't a real match for Grudzielanek, Sanders, and Walker. But to say that is to ignore one of Jocketty's prize assets: the willingness of the Cardinal ownership to pony up money late in the season to shore up a weak spot. Year after year, from Chuck Finley to Larry Walker himself, Walt has suddenly found the money to spring for a couple of months of a star veteran if he has a spot whose gambles have just not worked out. He didn't have to actually use this money last year, but it's there if he needs it. No one in St. Louis believes management's claims regarding budget any more. We all know that Walt has a few million in reserve, and that he knows how to use them. So it's not just Encarnacion, Bigbie, and Spivey. It's whichever two of those gambles work the best plus a big helping of star veteran if the team needs one late in the year. With the rest of the lineup held over from last season, plus the fine rotation situation, plus a solid closer, the Cardinals are going to have to work hard - and get hurt a lot - to fail to win 90 games this year.

A quick note about pitching: One thing to look for this year is the quality of Jason Marquis' curve ball. Tony and his staff love that curve, and tend to acquire veterans who have good ones. When they acquired Marquis and Adam Wainwright from the Braves, they got two pitchers who were short on that particular pitch, because the Braves don't emphasize it. (Actually, I think Bobby Cox dislikes the curve, a trait he may have learned, like a lot of what he knows, from Earl Weaver.) The last couple of years, from Marquis' and Wainwright's perspective, must have seemed like unending crash courses on how to throw curve balls. Marquis developed a decent one last year, but there is still some question as to whether the league will adjust to it this time around. If you watch any of his starts this year, pay attention to what the announcers say about his curve. You might also watch Wainwright. He's made the team as a middle reliever, but if he really gets his curve going, he could be the next hot Cardinal starter.

This next bit is delicate, and primarily intended for our readers who actually live in St. Louis and read the local paper, the Post-Dispatch. I assume that is a significant percentage of the people who are reading this preview. Bernie Miklasz, certainly the best sportswriter on the Post, has written a series of columns citing sabermetric sources lately, and he's either dealing with amateurs, or he's failing to understand what he's being told. I know Bernie, and consider him a friend, and he's used me as a sabermetric source, and he has always understood me. He also used to use Jim Henzler of Stats, Inc., and his quotes from Henzler have always at least made sense. These are different. There is something really wrong going on here. Rather than complain about the sources Bernie is using, or even naming them, I'm just going to make a few statements here and try desperately to avoid confrontation. Those of you who read Bernie will recognize the references, and the rest of you can probably at least guess at the content of the columns. And, as I said, I don't know if the problem is with the sources or with communication between them and Bernie.

1. It is silly to contend that Yadier Molina and David Eckstein cannot hold down starting spots on a first-division contending team. They just did, on a team that won 100 games. Eckstein was the leadoff man.

2. Junior Spivey has within recent memory played well enough to make the All-Star team, which has two slots for second basemen. There are about six contending teams in a league in a season. Therefore, making the All-Star team is harder than starting for a contender. Spivey looks terrible right now, and is currently in AAA ball, having accepted the demotion in the hope of getting his game back together after a couple of serious injuries. Sure, he may be finished. He's been hurt bad the last two years. But starting for a contender is certainly within his proven capabilities if he can get his health back. You can't just write him off at that level on the basis of injuries and a lousy spring. Just duplicating his 2004 partial season for Milwaukee, which was not the All-Star campaign, would justify the Cardinals not just starting him, but batting him second. Right now, he's an injury gamble, which is just the sort of player that Walt Jocketty specializes in.

3. So Taguchi is not a starter on the Cardinals, and never has been. He's the fourth outfielder, valued for his ability to play a decent center field without being an offensive hole. He will open the season in left field because Bigbie and Rodriguez are hurt, not because the Cardinals think of him as their starting left fielder. And it's a very odd thing to do to predict him to hit .250 or so when his last two batting averages have been .291 and .288. That was a reasonable prediction a year ago, when there was only the .291 average in only 179 at-bats, but adding the .288 in 396 AB changes the prediction parameters just a bit there. Or at least it should....

4. Walt Jocketty is not a Midwestern conservative who will be unable to pull a late-season acquisition trigger. As documented above, he's a riverboat gambler whose specialty is pulling the late season trigger to acquire an aging star. And he's not even a Midwesterner. He and La Russa came to St. Louis from Oakland, which is, like, on a coast, you know, next to San Francisco.

2006 ZiPS Projections - St. Louis Cardinals

Name               P     G   AB    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB    K  SB  CS   AVG   OBP   SLG 
Pujols             1b  161  603  134  203  42   2  48  138   98   61  11   3  .337  .434  .652 
Edmonds*           cf  143  469   90  126  36   1  30   95   89  135   4   4  .269  .387  .542 
Rolen              3b  116  418   74  119  29   2  22   78   62   69   4   3  .285  .384  .522 
Spivey             2b   89  319   54   87  22   1  10   46   37   80   3   2  .273  .356  .442 
Daubach*           1b  122  382   61   94  26   0  16   64   60  107   1   0  .246  .352  .440 
Encarnacion        rf  145  536   70  152  35   3  16   88   43   95   8   6  .284  .342  .450 
Rodriguez*         lf  124  397   64  103  22   2  18   67   39   96   5   1  .259  .331  .461 
Eckstein           ss  151  602   85  171  25   5   6   61   54   44  11   7  .284  .351  .372 
Redman             cf  132  467   68  123  33   2  12   64   40  102  10   7  .263  .324  .420 
Bigbie*            lf  117  401   51  103  20   2   9   47   43   86   6   3  .257  .328  .384 
Gall               1b  135  446   63  114  27   0  13   62   37   54   4   2  .256  .314  .404 
Berg               ss   95  329   45   88  20   1   2   33   35   55   1   0  .267  .337  .353 
Spiezio#           3b  122  392   44   93  20   3  10   52   45   56   4   2  .237  .318  .380 
Taguchi            cf  137  365   43  100  19   2   6   45   18   56   9   3  .274  .309  .386 
Hernandez          c    81  250   23   65   9   1   3   26   28   31   0   0  .260  .335  .340 
Molina             c   108  360   37   95  15   1   7   43   26   29   1   2  .264  .315  .369 
Miles#             2b  133  507   65  137  21   3   7   53   29   46   8   6  .270  .311  .365 
Cruz               ss  125  385   42  104  21   1   7   47   15   38   0   2  .270  .299  .384 
Duncan*            1b  131  410   44   95  20   1  11   49   45   99   3   3  .232  .309  .366 
Baerga#            2b   91  159   17   41   7   0   2   17    9   18   0   0  .258  .320  .340 
Luna               2b  120  359   55   91  19   2   4   36   28   56  16   6  .253  .314  .351 
Ankiel*            lf   85  302   40   64  15   1  14   47   22   67   0   0  .212  .275  .407 
Schumaker*         cf  138  460   65  118  22   2   4   38   31   56  12   7  .257  .305  .339 
Hanson*            2b  125  463   58  109  23   2  10   54   30   89   1   2  .235  .284  .359 
Bennett            c    76  229   17   54  10   0   2   24   21   38   0   1  .236  .303  .306 
Nelson             ss  124  413   50   89  22   1   8   40   36  118   3   3  .215  .283  .332 
Nivar              cf  113  436   54  109  16   2   6   40   18   43  16  11  .250  .283  .337 
Gorecki            cf  119  408   51   86  19   1   6   39   33   79  13   8  .211  .273  .306 
Lemanczyk          cf  113  381   71   79  12   2   3   28   24   64  27   9  .207  .267  .273 

Name                 W   L    ERA   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Isringhausen         3   1   3.10  64   0    61.0   48   21   4   25   55 
Carpenter           16   8   3.16  31  31   222.0  193   78  20   47  194 
Reyes                8   6   3.72  24  23   133.0  121   55  18   30  122 
Thompson             4   3   3.76  49   0    67.0   61   28   6   21   40 
Looper               5   4   4.07  73   0    73.0   72   33   6   22   44 
Flores*              4   4   4.13  51   0    61.0   58   28   6   22   48 
Nelson               2   2   4.17  51   0    41.0   34   19   3   23   42 
Mateo                7   5   4.21  38  12   109.0  109   51  13   30   84 
Mulder*             13  11   4.22  31  31   207.0  205   97  19   70  128 
Wainwright           9   9   4.50  28  26   174.0  184   87  23   44  112 
Suppan              12  13   4.52  32  31   195.0  201   98  24   61  112 
Ponson              11  12   4.57  29  29   189.0  200   96  17   61  109 
Marquis             12  13   4.68  33  32   204.0  209  106  27   69  115 
Johnson*             1   2   4.82  55   0    56.0   47   30   7   35   64 
Riedling             3   5   4.86  56   2    76.0   80   41   6   38   50 
Rincon*              2   2   4.91  66   0    44.0   40   24   5   26   36 
Rundles*             7   8   4.91  24  24   152.0  172   83  18   46   64 
Hancock              6   8   5.01  30  23   140.0  152   78  22   46   91 
Tankersley           6  10   5.08  30  25   147.0  148   83  20   70  104 
Parrott              5   7   5.16  23  23   129.0  131   74  18   62   90 
Cali*                2   4   5.35  60   0    74.0   79   44   9   35   49 
Pomeranz             7  10   5.52  23  23   145.0  168   89  21   52   65 
Voyles               3   6   5.56  23  13    89.0   94   55  17   37   65 
Webb                 5   8   5.77  28  24   145.0  158   93  24   71   78 
Narveson*            5   8   5.81  25  24   127.0  138   82  20   68   85 
Lambert              3   5   6.14  18  18    88.0   94   60  13   54   62 

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2006.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.
Brock Hanke Posted: April 12, 2006 at 11:56 PM | 28 comment(s)
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   1. danup Posted: April 13, 2006 at 01:19 AM (#1959715)
Good preview, as always. Except: I've yet to meet anybody who was impressed by Jason Marquis's curveball. He hit that really good stretch last year when he threw the fastball almost exclusively, and in the strikezone, and showed obscene control as a result.

And you know him better than I do, but I don't think Bernie's problem is miscommunication with his sources, he seems to show a pretty good understanding of stats on his message board.
   2. battlekow Posted: April 13, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#1959740)
After Monday, you should have ZIPS project Mulder's slugging percentage.
   3. NTNgod Posted: April 13, 2006 at 01:46 AM (#1959754)
Junior Spivey has within recent memory played well enough to make the All-Star team, which has two slots for second basemen.

Actually, there were three that year [2002] (Castillo, Spivey, and Vidro), and none of the three were there solely because they were the token rep for their team.

Brenly loaded up the team with Diamondbacks, although Spivey certainly deserved his spot - he was hitting .328/.414/.552 before the break.
   4. Andere Richtingen Posted: April 13, 2006 at 08:01 AM (#1960045)
I'm not so convinced of the LaRussa/veteran pitching connection. It might be more of a Dave Duncan/veteran pitching connection. LaRussa hasn't managed very many good teams without Duncan.
   5. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 13, 2006 at 09:24 AM (#1960108)
One point about Miles is that, while he did hit well in AA and AAA, he was old for both leagues when he did it (age 25 in Birmingham, age 26 in Charlotte). He's 29, has little power, and doesn't get on base a whole lot other than via the single, so he *has* to hit .280 to have any offensive value at all. The ZiPS projection looks about right to me.

-- MWE
   6. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: April 13, 2006 at 09:37 AM (#1960119)
Best Look forward i've read this season by far.

Good job.
   7. Barca Posted: April 13, 2006 at 10:43 AM (#1960226)
"It is silly to contend that ... David Eckstein cannot hold down starting spots on a first-division contending team."

Who would do that?
Eckstein has been on 3 playoff teams in his 5 years.
   8. Lake Placido Polanco (Crispix Attacks) Posted: April 13, 2006 at 10:55 AM (#1960249)
This article seems to think that in order to be a contender, all of your players have to be at or above a certain level of quality that is "starter for a contender".

But anyone can be a starter for a contender, if the other players are good enough. Some of the worst players in baseball history have been starters for contenders. The Twins won their division three years in a row with Cristian Guzman at shortstop. (the one year he was good, they finished second.)

The Braves won 101 games four years ago with Keith Lockhart and Vinny Castilla playing horribly every day.
   9. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: April 13, 2006 at 01:05 PM (#1960534)
Crispix, I can see how you get that out of the article, but he mentions right off the top that offense has never been the issue for TLR getting a team in the postseason. I do think it is the cause of their troubles in the playoffs, however. I really think the number of outs in the lineup has held them back.
   10. greenback06 Posted: April 13, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#1960714)
"It is silly to contend that ... David Eckstein cannot hold down starting spots on a first-division contending team."

Who would do that?


Nate Silver. Brock is a kinder, gentler Don Malcolm here.

Decent Looking Forward, although it's a little strange that Albert Pujols isn't mentioned anywhere.
   11. More Indecisive than Lonnie Smith on 2nd... Posted: April 13, 2006 at 04:58 PM (#1961531)
"...although it's a little strange that Albert Pujols isn't mentioned anywhere."


True, though the ZiPS seem to say all that's necessary...
   12. battlekow Posted: April 13, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#1961735)
I guess ZIPS is a believer in Juan Encarnacion's year last year.
   13. OnWI Posted: April 14, 2006 at 07:56 AM (#1962566)
Man, I wish I could have some of what Brock is using for my next party. Everyone would be groovin' early.

Spivey is D-O-N-E. Dude is more toast then WonderBread. Or does his inability to finish a season in like forever not tell you that? Last year the guy got hurt SWINGING THE BAT! What is up with THAT!?

Miles?? The Mouse that couldn't roar? Like, wow. I continue to be astonished the dudes that crunch numbers will allow themselves to be fooled because they are fans.

Scott Rolen has a bad back. Third baseman have to move a little. Tick tock on him staying in the lineup.

Juan My Mojo is Gone? Crew around here TRASHES the dude's rep and now because St. Walt has blessed him he can play? Whatever.

Jim Edmonds is stellar but he's 37 and one more Evil Kenievel catch and he's in traction.

And what exactly is Walter supposed to offer up when the time comes to get somebody?
Say the Marlins pitch Willis to the highest bidder? The Cards have what behind Door Number 2?

The Cards are Kings until someone shoves them off the throne. Or they fall off.

Albert's the studliest of studs. Everything else is wishes and prayers.
   14. The Man in Blak Posted: April 14, 2006 at 09:28 AM (#1962610)
Interesting writeup. I've got a couple of thoughts/questions:

If LaRussa and Duncan like the curve ball so much, then why is Reyes in the minors? Isn't that his big out pitch? Sure, Carpenter wields a nasty hook and Cardinal pitchers in the past like Matt Morris and Darryl Kile certainly leaned on it, but that doesn't seem like a recurring theme throughout the staff, with worm killers like Mulder and Marquis on the staff.

Speaking of Marquis, his curve was absolute crap at times last year. I lost count of the times last year that he hung that thing up in the zone to be pounded by opposing batters. Maybe I just missed the games where it was on. Also, weren't there rumblings that Marquis was giving up the curveball in ST anyway?

Also, I was a little bit surprised that there was virtually no mention of the bullpen woes, which have become an evident issue already in the opening weeks of the season. You touched briefly on Wainwright, who is excelling in relief so far, but Isringhausen seems to be hitting a little bit of variance, Looper has admitted that he "feels weird", and guys like Josh Hancock are coming in to "protect" leads against division rivals. Injury possibilities excepted, the bullpen is likely to be the story of the St. Louis Cardinals this year and it was strange to see virtually no mention of it.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: April 15, 2006 at 12:41 PM (#1965177)
Marquis curve was crap and was one of the primary reasons that he gets a reputation for not listening to his managers, TLR and Duncan want every pitcher in the franchise to learn a third pitch minimum. (I don't think it necessarily has to be a curve though) It's the primary reason that Reyes isn't in the majors right now is that they were forcing a third pitch down his throat and he didn't respond well to it.


onwi is on drugs...pure and simple.

as to bullpen woes? damn I really wish people would look at the big picture before saying stuff like that, the bullpen is fine, seriously it is going to probably end up being the best bullpen in the national league when the season is all said and done. We'll start with Issy almost always has a ten day stretch where he sucks. Looper has been iffy, I agree but as iffy as Looper has been Wainwright has been brilliant. The god of small sample sizes is definately influencing the Cardinal fan base.
   16. Le Samourai Posted: April 16, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#1966297)
Reyes already had three pitches. Fastball, curveball, change. And they're all good. I dom't mind much because Reyes with a good 2-seamer is Chris Carpenter.
   17. ElBirdoLoco Posted: April 16, 2006 at 02:06 PM (#1966768)
LaRussa and Co seem to love the curve, but their real fetish is the ground ball. That's why Reyes is still toiling in the minors.

Junior Spivey does not seem done to me. In AAA he's only hitting .263 is 38 ab's, but his OBP is .440. He's walked 11 times in 38 AB's, so he still has a good eye.
   18. AlexIsADirtySanchez Posted: April 16, 2006 at 06:08 PM (#1967564)
You are pointing your finger in the wrong direction, Mr. Hanke. While Bernie has initiated using sabre stats in some of his articles (kind of refreshing from a mainstream journalist, even if some are mis-used), those are not his writings. Those quotes came from an article where he referenced Nate Silver of BP.com while doing an artile about how other's see the Cardinals. It seems you have an dislike of BP.com from articles past, so I'm surprised you didn't catch the fact it was Silver's quote and not Bernie's.
   19. Stew Posted: April 20, 2006 at 12:39 PM (#1976702)
Nice write up, Brock. You we're my favorite sportswriter when I lived in St. Louis. The RFT column was Miles ahead of anything Bernie put down. What are your impressions of the new stadium?
   20. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 20, 2006 at 02:30 PM (#1977001)
You are pointing your finger in the wrong direction, Mr. Hanke. While Bernie has initiated using sabre stats in some of his articles (kind of refreshing from a mainstream journalist, even if some are mis-used), those are not his writings. Those quotes came from an article where he referenced Nate Silver of BP.com while doing an artile about how other's see the Cardinals. It seems you have an dislike of BP.com from articles past, so I'm surprised you didn't catch the fact it was Silver's quote and not Bernie's.


If you read what Brock actually wrote above, you'd have realized that he knew that, and didn't want the discussion to go down that path.

-- MWE
   21. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 20, 2006 at 02:46 PM (#1977065)
Junior Spivey has within recent memory played well enough to make the All-Star team, which has two slots for second basemen. There are about six contending teams in a league in a season. Therefore, making the All-Star team is harder than starting for a contender.


Minor nit: In the year that Spivey made the All-Star team (2002), the NL took three 2Bs (Castillo, Spivey, and Vidro), not two.

Bigger point: In the year that Spivey was an All-Star, the manager of the team was Bob Brenly - who just happened to be Spivey's manager as well.

Now Spivey was, in point of fact, playing well enough to be considered for the All-Star team, and he did finish 14th overall in the MVP voting that season. But I doubt that Spivey would have made the team had he not been playing for Arizona.

When you look at Spivey's entire career, 2002 sticks out like a sore thumb. He spent most of his minor league career playing in high-octane environments - High Desert, El Paso, Tucson - and hit .285 with a .422 SLG and an OPS somewhere in the high .700s. That doesn't scream All-Star to me.

Having said that, I do agree with Brock that Spivey was a reasonable cheap gamble, albeit one that at this point doesn't look like it will pay off.

-- MWE
   22. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 20, 2006 at 02:48 PM (#1977069)
And I should have read the entire section of comments before commenting myself, since I more or less repeated what NTNGod said in #3.

-- MWE
   23. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:00 PM (#1998888)
I might agree with this.
Actually, I find it hard to discuss La Russa without Duncan,
and tend to refer to them as "La Russa" just as a form of shorthand,
like everyone else in St. Louis does, more or less.

I'm not so convinced of the LaRussa/veteran pitching connection.
It might be more of a Dave Duncan/veteran pitching connection.
LaRussa hasn't managed very many good teams without Duncan
   24. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:06 PM (#1998903)
(From post 8 above):
<This article seems to think that in order to be a contender,
all of your players have to be at or above a certain level of quality
that is "starter for a contender".>

I agree that contenders can have really deep holes at a starting spot or two.
That was part of my point there.
Writing someone off as too bad to start for a contender
is a dicey thing to do.
But even if you think there is a level below which
a starter for a contender can not fall,
David Eckstein and Yadier Molina are certainly
above it.
   25. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:12 PM (#1998916)
From post 10 above:
<Decent Looking Forward, although it's a little strange that
Albert Pujols isn't mentioned anywhere.>

Thank you! As for Albert, it's a problem that I ran into when
I was publishing sabermetrics books back in the 1990s.
Some players, while very good or even superstars,
are hard to write about because they are so consistent.
Albert is one of them. What am I supposed to say that
you can't find not just "elsewhere" but "everywhere"?
Albert's a given unless his foot acts up (he has
plantar fascitis). That's about all there is to say.
He's getting a lot of intentional walks right now,
but he won't get into Barry Bonds territory because
he doesn't have the outstanding baseline of strike
zone judgment that Barry does. Well, that's about all
I can think of. Sorry.
   26. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:20 PM (#1998933)
From post 13 above:
<And what exactly is Walter supposed to offer up when the time comes to get somebody?
Say the Marlins pitch Willis to the highest bidder?
The Cards have what behind Door Number 2?>

The answer is money. Walt gets the guys he gets because he's willing
to absorb the last couple of months of an elderly veteran's contract
and because the ownership gave him the money to do that.
He finds some team which is dumping salary, or at least which is
dumping high-priced veteran salary, and takes a few months
off that team's hands. He throws in a grade B kid and gets Chuck Finley
or Larry Walker or somebody. Dontrelle Willis, even if he came available,
is not what Walt's looking for in late July. He's looking for an old expensive vet
who can fill a hole for August and September to put the Cards over
the hump. Last year, there was no need to fill a hole, because the
Cards had the division won so early. This year, there are two
outfield and a second base candidate. Of course, if the Cards are
ten games ahead in early August, there ain't going to be no
taking on of contracts. Doees that make more sense to you?
   27. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:34 PM (#1998963)
From post 14 above:
<If LaRussa and Duncan like the curve ball so much,
then why is Reyes in the minors?
Isn't that his big out pitch?
Sure, Carpenter wields a nasty hook and Cardinal pitchers
in the past like Matt Morris and Darryl Kile certainly leaned on it,
but that doesn't seem like a recurring theme throughout the staff,
with worm killers like Mulder and Marquis on the staff.

Speaking of Marquis, his curve was absolute crap at times last year.>

And from post 17 above:
< LaRussa and Co seem to love the curve, but their real fetish is the ground ball.
That's why Reyes is still toiling in the minors.>

I wasn't sure why Reyes went down, either, except that Sidney Ponson
pitched well in the spring (and still is)
and Tony likes veterans. But it recently came out
that Reyes has lost a couple of mph of velocity. That's
probably the reason, and yes, it's scary.

The Cardinals announced, when they picked up Reyes and
Wainwright, that they were going to teach them
to throw curves. They spend money picking up pitchers like Carpenter and Kile,
who are curve ball specialists.
(Morris is the only one of the three mentioned that the Cards
actually developed on their own.) Yes, that's a pattern.

That Jason Marquis' curve ball was crap last year,
and it was,
mostly means that he hasn't learned it yet and the Cards
didn't think they had anyone better to fill the rotation spot.
He didn't have one at all when he left Atlanta, if you can believe the reports.
That they are trying to teach the curve to a pitcher with a good sinker
indicates just how much they value the curve in STL.

If you think about it, a fetish for curves and a fetish for
ground balls are linked, and both are linked to a fetish for sinkers.
It's no surprise to find that a team that emphasizes one
also emphasizes the other two.
   28. bjhanke Posted: May 01, 2006 at 03:41 PM (#1998981)
From post 19 above:
< Nice write up, Brock. You we're my favorite sportswriter when I lived in St. Louis.
The RFT column was Miles ahead of anything Bernie put down.
What are your impressions of the new stadium?>

Why, thank you very much!

(For those of you who don't know, I wrote a baseball column for
the local St. Louis alternative weekly, the Riverfront Times
(RFT), for several years back in the 1990s.)

Bernie works VERY hard at a VERY demanding beat
(his charge, from the paper,
is to say something controversial EVERY DAY!)
Despite lack of time and lack of math skills,
he tries to stay at least within reach of the
current state of sabermetrics. I appreciate the effort
he puts in.

I haven't been to the stadium. It sells out every game.
Apparently, it leaks right now, and things like the
concession lines are still in the shakedown phase.
I will no doubt get to a game eventually, but
I admit that I'm giving it a couple of months to get
its act together.
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