2006 Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try
Again. Fail again. Fail better. – Samuel Beckett
Trying: 1998 and 1999 – 132 wins 192 losses.
Failed: 2000 and 2001 – 131 wins 192 losses.
Failed again: 2002 and 2003 – 118 wins 205 losses.
Failed better: 2004 and 2005 – 137 wins and 186 losses.
On the surface the Devil Ray’s 2005 season was once again a
failure. Another 90 plus loss season, more managerial turmoil, pitchers unable
to get outs, hitters unable to hit the long ball or draw walks, more injuries
and ineffectiveness to pitchers drafted highly in the first round. Heck, even
below the surface it was a failure.
Despite that, I’m encouraged for the first time in the Devil
Rays history. The organization is better off today than it was a year ago.
Let’s hit the high spots before we dig into the specifics.
- Out with the old and in with the new – After 3 years of
cellar dwelling Lou Piniella, had finally had enough. For the first time
in his career the highly thought of Piniella couldn’t get anything out of a
club. Piniella came to the Rays with a .538 career winning percentage in
almost 2,500 games managed. Yet, in the nearly 500 he managed in purple
and green he barely cracked .400 (.412). The perpetual managerial
bridesmaid Joe Maddon takes over the reigns in 2006. Maddon, a
progressive thinker, has been quoted in the past as a believer in advanced
analysis - the long time bench coach of the Angels under Mike Scioscia has
said all the right things. It will be interesting to see if he can
translate it to on the field successes..
"If computers were available when Branch Rickey
was alive, he'd have made them popular 50 years ago. ... We take advantage of
technology in every other facet of life and we're going to disdain it in
sports? I don't get that." - Joe
Maddon.
- Taking out the garbage – When Stuart Sternberg took over
the Devil Rays in October, one of his first acts was to can the first and
only general manager in the history of the Devil Rays in Chuck Lamar.
Lamar may very well go down in history as the most incompetent General
Manager in the history of the game. Considering the level of incompetence
that has been shown throughout baseball history, that is certainly saying something.
Before leaving, however, Lamar left the Devil Rays a reminder of his
incompetence – the 2005 amateur draft, where the Rays selected Rice right
hander Wade Townsend an expected easy sign, while passing on a number of
far better prospects. Of course, to compound their incompentence they got
a little unlucky as Townsend proceeded to get hurt during the Arizona Fall
League, blowing out his elbow. Andrew Friedman, the teams Executive Vice
President of Baseball Operations looks to be the new sheriff in town,
though the front office hasn’t named an official “general manager”.
- Break on through – Jorge Cantu got his first prolonged
exposure to major league baseball and put up a monster season as a 23 year
old. Cantu compiled 18 win shares, 17 with the bat. Since 1920, there
have been 28 second baseman who have posted between 18 and 22 win shares
at that age or younger. Those 28 have gone on to average 250 win shares
for their career only 2 of which went on to post less than 100 career
winshares. The odds are pretty good the Rays have a keeper in Cantu.
- Twin Rookies – The Rays had two players in the top 10 of
the rookie of the year voting, Jonny Gomes (third) and Scott Kazmir (9th).
While Gomes, may not ever hit like he did this year, Kazmir looks like if
he stays healthy he will be the real deal, a legitimate 22 year-old front
of the rotation starter. Something the Twin Titans of the AL East would
drool to have.
- Twin Prospects – While on the farm, the Rays have two of
the five best prospects who played in the minors last year in BJ Upton and
Delmon Young. Both players are potential 5 tool players, who have
produced in the minors and have few question marks between them (Upton’s
defense). You might not see Upton on prospect lists, because he used up
his rookie eligibility in 2004, he is without a doubt a player with a very
real chance of being an impact player at the major league level.
Despite the failure that took
place on the field in 2005, organizationally it was a success. Keeping Kazmir
healthy and on-track, the emergence of Cantu and Gomes, Crawford continues to
look like a star in the making, Young and Upton continuing to work towards
being a fixture at the Trop, the cashing in of Baez for a couple of arms with
upside, the drastic increase in the trade value of Julio Lugo. With that said
what should our expectations be for 2006? What do the Rays need to achieve for
2006 to be considered a success even though it likely won’t result in a playoff
appearance or a World Series championship? In my mind this is where any season
preview needs to start – what do they need to do to be a success?
- Take a step forward. 95 wins isn’t a realistic target.
However, another 60-70-win season should be considered a failure. I think
the number should be 78 wins. It’s aggressive; an 11 win improvement over
last year, and the most wins in the sad history of the Devil Ray’s.
However, if the Rays plan on competing in 2008 or 2009 they need to start
making steps forward now. As a step back is inevitable at some point.
- Last year the Ray’s had four young players take major
steps forward, in Kazmir, Gomes, Cantu and Orvella. Expecting the same
kind of progress from four more players would be tough. However, based on
the system and some of the other young players on the roster I think 2 is
a reasonable and fair expectation. My guess? Upton, and McClung.
- The big jump – One of their good young players Crawford,
Rocco, Gomes, Kazmir, or Cantu needs to make the jump to super star level.
- The Pipeline – Prospect guru John Sickles – Gives Rays prospects
one A, and nine B’s, plus Upton as an un-graded player. A few B’s need to
make the jump to A range, and they need to add a couple B’s net to the
system, hopefully on the pitching side.
- Be aggressive in the trade market – be sure to get
reasonable return for Lugo and Huff.
The Rotation
Scott Kazmir
Kazmir entered last spring with a
chance to win a rotation slot. This year the 22 year old pitcher will take
the mound on opening day as the best pitcher in the history of the
organization. Kazmir has electric stuff, and is praised for his makeup. His
herky jerky mechanics and slight build has led some to conclude he is an injury
waiting to happen. While I can’t speak to that, I can speak to his incredible
second half. After the all star break – he went 7 and 2 with a 2.79 ERA, and
averaged more than a K per inning. Kazmir is my number 1, fantasy sleeper this
year. Kazmir is almost always drafted after the 12
th round in a
12-team league. I think he has a very good chance to be a top 15-fantasy starter
this year, and a tremendous pitcher for Rays. The Rays should handle this young
ace carefully for another year. He is the most important player in the
organization.
Seth McClung
McClung was the Devil Rays Dr.
Jekyll and Mr. Hyde during the 05 season. He started the year in the pen, and
got shelled. He picked up a start in June and looked very good. He made 16
more starts over the last 3 months of the season, and like a box of chocolates
you never knew what you were going to get. In July he had 4 quality starts in 5
opportunities. August was tougher for the 25 year old, with only 2 out 6
starts lasting 6 innings with 4 or fewer runs allowed. September was even more
uneven. He started the month with a very good game against Toronto, then got
shelled by Toronto. His next 2 starts he allowed 7 runs in each to Boston and New
York. Then he closed his season, by ending Clevland season (at least
contributing to their end of the year choke) with a gem of a 1-0 win on
September 28th. Unlike Waechter and Hendrickson, McClung has above
average major league stuff. McClung’s fastball looked to still be a notch or
two slower than pre-TJ so there is a chance, that a he can add back a bit more
velocity. I think McClung has a chance to breakout, and be a pretty good
pitcher. With that said it’s important to remember he does have a career ERA
over 6, in 150 innings of work, so betting the farm on his breakout would be at
least somewhat unwise.
Casey Fossum
Fossum is likely miscast as a starter. The reed-
thin lefty is now 28 and hasn’t been remotely useful since 2002, as a swingman
for Boston. Fossum showed some flashes last season, which lead to him being
given a 3 year contract extension, at reasonable enough money. Fossum throws
low 90’s with decent secondary stuff. Where he has run into problems in the
past is lack of constancy in terms of arm angle and release point. Perhaps new
pitching coach Mike Butcher, can lend a hand.
Doug Waechter
The 25 year old righthander is a
command in control specialist went 5 and 12 in 2005, allowing over 6 runs per
game. He doesn’t strike anyone out, he is very hittable, and has a major case
of gopheritis. He has two things in his favor, great command (less than 2
walks per 9) and age. I’m hoping with some experience he will learn to
selectively nibble a bit more, and get his home run rate under control. Without
that, he has no chance of being an asset to the Rays or anyone else. The Rays
should give him 32 starts in 06, and see what he can do, he has less than 300
major league innings, so there is a chance a light bulb might still go off.
Mark Hendrickson
Lurch Hendricson, is a 32-year-old lefthanded
innings eater, who will hopefully pitch for 2 months, as Edwin Jackson, Jason
Hammel, Chris Seddon, and Jamie Shields work on some things in AAA in
preparation for a big league career. We know what Hendrickson has and it isn’t
much. He will make 30 starts, and he will pitch poorly. He isn’t a
championship caliber player, and won’t ever develop into one. His 80 ERA+ should
be able to be matched by one of the four pitchers mentioned above. In other
words, Lurch should be used as a stopgap, and should only be used as long as
Hammel, Jackson, Seddon and Shields aren’t ready.
The Bullpen
The bullpen in Tampa is unsettled, and it will be interesting to see how the skipper will piece together this rag a muffin crew over the course of the
season.
Chad Orvella, Jesus Colome, and Dan Miceli, Shawn Camp, and Chad Harville all competed for the closer job during the spring, with Dan Miceli getting the most
chances for the time being. Maddon played it tight to the vest and has
said he might go with some type of rotation or committee. Travis
Harper, will work the middle innings. Beyond that your guess is as good as
mine. Orvella, is probably the teams best reliever. He was solid last year in
50 innings of work. Colome, has electric stuff but is injury prone and has
never been able to harness his stuff for any type on any type of consistent
basis. Harper, is a solid but unspectacular major league pitcher, who was down
right terrible last year but solid in both 03 and 04 for the Rays. Harville,
and Miceli are veteran journeyman. Camp, isn’t a journeyman mostly because he
isn’t good enough to have being given multiple shots to succeed, he did pitch
like a journeyman in KC last year. If the Rays bullpen isn’t the worst in
baseball in 06, Joe Maddon deserves manager of the year; this is an ugly bunch.
Position Players
Catcher
Toby Hall should continue to be the regular
backstop for the Rays, with Josh Paul as his primary backup, and Kevin Cash will
be stashed away in AAA. The catcher position will not be a strength for the
Rays in 06. Hall was a roughly average major league catcher last year, but
below in both 03 and 04. As a 31 year old with a good amount of wear and tear
expecting any kind of mass improvement would be silly. Hope for another
average year, and pray the wheels don’t fall off. Catcher is not an area of
organizational strength; it’s likely that the Rays will have to go outside the
organization to find their next regular catcher. Shawn Riggans is the only
backstop at the minor league level who might eventually call a major league
clubhouse the office.
First Base
The Rays best long-term option at first base looks
to be Wes Bankston, who will open the year in Durham. John Sickles grades him
a B+ prospect, but personally I think his power potential is a little light for
a corner player to get that high of a mark. The Rays will once again open the
season with Travis Lee at 1b. Lee is nothing more than filler. Lee is a
relatively poor hitter relative to position, though he is a reasonable enough
fielder. If Lee goes down, I would expect to see Aubrey Huff move across the
diamond and play 1b, or perhaps Russell Branyan.
Second Base
The Rays look to be set at 2b for a long time to
come. Jorge Cantu doesn’t walk much (19 unintentional BB’s in 05), but he
does make contact (only 83 strikeouts), hits for average, and hits for power. As
pitchers learn to respect his power, the walks will come. Cantu is a poor
defender, he isn’t reliable – he doesn’t have good range, and he doesn’t turn
the DP well. He will need to improve if he is to stay in the middle of the
diamond.
Third Base
Been there done that. Aubrey Huff is back again at
the hot corner. Hopefully, he will only be standing in the vicinity of third
for about 3 months, while the Rays try and get some pitching prospects out of a
team in contention. Huff is a nice player, in that he is a left handed stick,
who can play any of the 4 corners of the diamond. He doesn’t play any of them
well, but he can stand out there and not be too embarrassing. Huff had an off-
year last year – the Rays are clearly hoping for a return to his .360/.500
form of the past. If not, the offers might be few and far between. Sean
Burroughs looks to be the backup, and potential replacement when and if Huff is
shipped out of town. Burroughs is a good gamble for the Rays, a once highly
touted prospect – Sean hasn’t done anything to improve his stock over the last
2 years. Burroughs a good bet to hit near .300 if healthy hasn’t drawn enough
walks or hit for enough power to be an asset. Yet if he can add a touch of either
to his game, he will be a solid contributor to the Rays for a number of years
to come. Think Bill Mueller, and in Mueller like fashion he will be starting
the season on the DL(though surprisingly Billy Ball Game will not).
Shortstop
Tampa Bay is the tale of two shortstops. Julio
Lugo, a consistent .340/.400 player with great speed, who may have had a break
through year in 2005 and is just now turning 30 is the incumbent. The youngster
is BJ Upton a 5 tool prospect, who the Rays don’t think can handle the
position. Luckily, Joe Maddon doesn’t seem to agree as he has gone out of the
way to praise BJ’s work ethic and improving defense all spring, while Lugo has
battled nagging injuries. Lugo is a free agent at the end of the year – I
expect him to be dealt prior to the trade deadline, and hand the reigns over to
BJ for the next 5 years. Unfortunately I was hoping the Rays would pull the
trigger on the deal in the offseason, as I doubt if Lugo’s value will ever be
higher. The chance to pull the trigger on a Andy Marte for Lugo deal was out
there a couple times, and the Rays passed. It will be interesting if they will
be able to do better during the season. I tend to doubt it.
Left Field
Where Carl Crawford roams. Crawford is a 5 tool
player, who entering his 24 year old season has almost 2300 plate appearances,
and is established his current level of ability as .300/360/.450 with 50 stolen
bases. Couple that with great defense and he is already a star. Yet, many
people, myself among them, think this could be the tip of the iceberg. I
wouldn’t be surprised to see him add another 20 points to his BA, and another
20-30 to his isolated power; my only question is when will he make that next
jump.
Centerfield
Long-term, the Rays are still committed to Rocco
Baldelli despite him missing the entire 2005 season and him starting the 2006
season on the DL. Baldelli has often drawn comparisons to Joe DiMaggio, no
doubt due to his sweet right-handed swing and the Italian heritage he shares
with Mr. Marilyn Monroe. With Baldelli out, centerfield is being manned by
Damon Hollins and Joey Gathright. Hollins is a journeyman minor leaguer who is
best suited for the role of a 5th outfielder. Gathright, is a young
ball hawking speedster, whose bat is a question mark, but his glove is an
exclamation point.
Rightfield
Jonny Gomes opens the year as the rightfielder, but
he will eventually be pushed to DH when super prospect Delmon Young is ready.
Gomes a slugger who burst on the scene last year, has tremendous power, and
strong secondary skills. Young, who is starting the year in AAA is a 5 tool
player, who looks like he will be a big league regular for a long time to come.
Designated Hitter
I expect the Rays will rotate position player
through the DH slot until either Rocco comes off the DL or until Delmon is
ready. Until then expect to see Huff, Gomes, Ty Wiggington, and Russell Branyan
share time, until Gomes settles into the position long term.
Now if they could only figure out what to do about
the name of the club.
2006 ZiPS Projections - Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Name P G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
Gomes rf 140 480 86 128 25 4 29 88 61 159 11 5 .267 .365 .517
Branyan* 3b 117 355 52 89 20 1 22 64 50 128 3 2 .251 .347 .499
Crawford* lf 156 644 107 196 30 14 14 88 32 83 61 10 .304 .338 .460
Huff* rf 156 597 80 168 31 2 25 100 56 85 6 5 .281 .345 .466
Cantu 2b 145 560 75 160 42 1 26 102 21 83 2 1 .286 .316 .504
Lee* 1b 136 463 55 127 27 2 14 62 50 83 5 3 .274 .344 .432
Baldelli cf 150 622 96 182 26 5 18 87 36 114 21 8 .293 .337 .437
Upton ss 140 516 88 142 26 4 14 65 61 126 30 13 .275 .354 .422
Wigginton 3b 145 509 66 134 33 2 17 70 54 88 7 3 .263 .336 .436
Lugo ss 153 586 82 167 34 5 7 66 59 85 28 8 .285 .353 .396
Burroughs* 3b 119 424 61 123 16 3 5 51 34 53 5 2 .290 .352 .377
Bankston 1b 111 381 55 93 19 1 16 57 38 89 4 2 .244 .319 .425
Young rf 135 509 77 138 20 3 19 75 26 106 20 9 .271 .314 .434
Hollins lf 130 406 50 104 23 1 13 58 32 79 7 3 .256 .313 .414
Green 2b 114 344 51 87 18 2 7 39 31 84 3 2 .253 .326 .378
Rose# c 92 275 35 64 15 1 5 30 41 70 1 0 .233 .336 .349
Riggans c 81 265 37 69 17 0 5 33 19 58 1 1 .260 .317 .381
Dukes# cf 114 396 61 98 18 2 12 51 34 85 16 9 .247 .313 .394
Gathright* cf 125 417 70 118 14 4 1 34 34 89 39 17 .283 .342 .343
Hall c 130 433 33 118 21 0 6 49 20 41 0 1 .273 .310 .363
Rivas 2b 119 386 53 99 19 4 8 43 15 54 12 4 .256 .287 .389
Cash c 85 291 34 64 19 1 9 36 27 82 1 1 .220 .291 .385
Cortez* 2b 113 437 57 109 17 3 2 38 26 80 19 5 .249 .297 .316
Christianson c 79 274 34 60 12 0 7 31 24 75 1 1 .219 .285 .339
Ordaz 2b 76 262 26 62 15 2 1 23 12 37 2 2 .237 .273 .321
Paul c 64 153 15 33 4 0 3 15 11 35 1 2 .216 .267 .301
Johnson# 2b 122 462 62 98 15 4 5 36 28 108 30 12 .212 .264 .294
Name W L ERA G GS INN H ER HR BB K
Kazmir* 10 7 3.87 30 30 172.0 151 74 12 73 184
Orvella 3 2 3.89 50 0 74.0 67 32 9 23 74
Malaska* 4 3 4.26 45 3 76.0 72 36 6 34 62
Miceli 4 4 4.57 58 0 65.0 62 33 9 26 59
Colome 3 4 4.71 47 0 63.0 61 33 7 32 50
Corcoran 3 3 4.83 37 1 69.0 67 37 7 35 53
Harper 5 5 4.84 54 0 80.0 83 43 11 26 52
Hines 3 3 4.94 48 0 71.0 75 39 6 34 45
Camp 4 6 5.02 52 4 104.0 119 58 13 31 62
Carnes 3 4 5.02 33 11 95.0 105 53 14 31 59
Miller 3 3 5.03 25 11 77.0 81 43 13 31 62
Fossum* 8 11 5.09 34 27 152.0 158 86 22 60 123
Hammel 7 10 5.12 25 25 153.0 166 87 24 53 111
Mori 2 4 5.14 47 0 56.0 52 32 8 31 53
Harville 2 3 5.19 57 0 59.0 58 34 8 32 49
Cressend 5 5 5.20 40 3 71.0 77 41 13 22 52
Hendrickson* 9 12 5.21 31 31 178.0 211 103 23 47 85
Stokes 5 7 5.22 18 18 100.0 110 58 16 34 66
Driskill 4 8 5.26 39 7 106.0 119 62 23 27 77
Switzer* 4 6 5.37 26 18 109.0 122 65 16 42 69
Waechter 7 11 5.55 29 27 154.0 173 95 30 47 96
McClung 6 11 5.58 35 17 108.0 104 67 17 55 97
Miadich 2 5 5.74 42 0 47.0 38 30 6 43 64
Tiffany* 4 10 5.82 22 21 102.0 108 66 23 43 96
Franklin* 4 7 5.88 46 17 127.0 140 83 24 57 79
Seddon* 7 13 5.94 27 27 144.0 161 95 25 69 100
Jackson 6 14 5.94 29 26 153.0 175 101 25 74 90
Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors -
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2006.
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting
the future.
Matt Rauseo
Posted: April 13, 2006 at 08:25 PM |
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In any case, my 2 worth:
1B: Travis Lee's a respectable hitter. Not great, but respectable: He hit .275/.348/.459 in `03 with the Rays, and was patient enough to draw 64 walks. Due to his injury playing for NYY in `04 and subsequent way-too-long rehab, I think the entire first half of `05 can be discounted. It really picked up for him after the all-star break and he's already got 4 homers in 9 games to start this season. Also, why he's not won a Gold Glove yet is really beyond me (he's got, what, something like a .997 career fielding percentage?).
His real value to the team is with the glove. He's an awesome defender. Let's face it, with wild arms like the rest of the infield, you really want, nay, need a guy with a vacuum cleaner for a glove. He's only going to be more valuable in that respect when Upton makes the show. I think the DRO recognizes this, too (they've been experimenting with moving vaunted 1B prospect Wes Bankston to 3B, which tells me they might be considering keeping Lee around for a lot longer).
Bullpen: Maybe they should just can the entire `pen and promote everyone in Durham now to save the hassle of doing it later. It stinks, and if I see Dan Micelli called in to close any more games, I'm going to shout some very uncivilized things at my TV.
Rotation: Mark "Lurch" Hendrickson is, IMO, a little better than you make him out to be (That complete-game shutout vs. Baltimore was a nice game, well-pitched). I think the team likes that he can usually be counted on to eat innings. I don't think he'll be the first guy bumped from the rotation to make room for one of the up-and-comers. That distinction, I fear, is going to go to McClung if he can't find a little consistency to his starts.
Other: Is the trainer on crack? Is it a streak of bad luck? How the heck could there be some many injuries so early in the season?!
Go Rays! <small>Please get better!</small>
The Rays have a surplus of hitters, particularly guys like Gathright, Hollins, Lugo, and Huff, and I'd love to see them dealt to get a good starter (dare I say a veteran?).
Its in a crappy part of St Pete, and the park is well not so nice. The fans are friendly enough. I reccomend sitting in rightfield. I sat there the two times Ive been to the park. Tix were cheap and the site lines were very good.
Djf - I agree the starting pitching is bad. I just see enough positives in the 3 your not sold on (I'm not sold either) to give them part of another year to see what they have rather than toss them out for another flavor of the month. I also expect you'll see Lugo, and Huff moved for pitching prospects. I think they have tried to deal Gathright and haven't gotten an offer that they thought was fair value. I don't expect Hollins to have any trade value - he is a run of the mill 5th outfielder.
I agree with these points, but I don't think they need to do *all* of them for 2006 to be a success.
Going in reverse order, it seems to me that it is absolutely essential to the Rays that they determine who they want and don't want -- both in the pitching staff as well as the lineup. We have all pointed fingers at Huff and Lugo as trade candidates and I mentioned others in Post #4, but what's more important is that the Rays identify where they are going.
On that note, I should also add the fact that Andrew Friedman is also working with/learning from Gerry Hunsicker, who I expect will benefit the organization tremendously.
The second critical step is not just to trade those for whom the Rays don't see a fit, but to acquire good talent in return -- not just cheap minor leaguers or aging, over-the-hill veterans. This is a team with a future, but needs to plug a few holes (especially on the pitching staff); it does not need marketing draws.
As for the pipeline, I agree that they can use more depth in the minors, particularly on the mound, but I don't see this as critical for them just yet. The additions of Jackson and Tiffany, plus the likes of Hammel, et al. help for now.
Regarding "the big jump," if they make the right roster moves to bring more balance to this team, particularly improving the pitching staff, I'd consider this season a success even if no one becomes a household name. Nevertheless, I think Jonny Gomes has the best potential to make a further name for himself this season, with Delmon Young obviously down the road.
Finally, the win total. I'd also like to see 78 wins or more, but if the front office can determine who they want, acquire talent for those they don't need, and find a way to work Young and Upton into the majors, I would consider the season a success even if they only won 70 games.
Nevertheless, this is a franchise with new ownership in a community that has long been disenchanted with the Naimoli regime, whose pest performance was a 70 win season (in 2004). They've made some good gestures to their players and the community and it appears that morale is optimistic, but if they continue to win less than 70 games this season, I can foresee a sense of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" coming. For that reason alone, I think that even a 72+ win season would provide a psychic boost.
I agree, but it's not like they really have a choice. They are using McClung, et al. out of necessity. Obviously, I'd like to see one or more of these guys make a leap and become at least solid back-of-the-rotation guys, but I'm not optimistic. For now, though, they need to buy some time until Jackson and Hammel show they are ready for the show.
I also expect you'll see Lugo, and Huff moved for pitching prospects. I think they have tried to deal Gathright and haven't gotten an offer that they thought was fair value. I don't expect Hollins to have any trade value - he is a run of the mill 5th outfielder.
In a perfect scenario, I'd love for them to make more deals like the Jackson/Tiffany deal, but I'd also like for them to find a way to bring in a decent, moderately priced veteran pitcher who can help mentor the kids as well. I don't know if it will happen, though.
I agree that they couldn't get what they thought Gathright is worth and that Hollins isn't worth much, but I just added those names as guys who the team will eventually want to weed out.
Between Lee, Huff, Wiggington, Branyan, Burroughs, and Bankston (currently moved to 3B), not to mention the idea of having to potentially move Upton away from SS, they need to figure out where they are going.
Maybe we do severly disagree about their potential. I don't think they need to make a leap to be back of the rotation starters. A skip is more like it. A leap would be into the legit number 2 status, which I don' really see happening, but stranger things have happened.
I also disagree with your assessment of Gomes I think he is less likely to be a star, say a 9-10 win player that Crawford, Cantu, Baldelli, Upton, or Young. I like the guy and I think he is more likely to be a minor star say 6-8 win player than Upton, or Baldelli - I just don't see huge superstar upside from a defensivly chanllanged corner outfielder who won't hit for a very high average.
Also in re: to win total, I do think a 70 win season should be considered a failure as I stated in the preview. Generally speaking I think most primates (and I don't want to group you with most primates) underrate the importance of winning games, for all but the top level of teams, I think your falling into that trap. The organazation isn't just trying to build a team for the future, but they are trying to build a fan base as well. Recenly we've seen towns like Milwaukee and Detriot really get fired up about baseball after winning some games, rather than being a door mat. I think it's tougher for people who generally have a rooting intrest in the more successful franchises to keep in mind that wins for the less successful franchises also accomplish something. 74 wins would be ok, much less would be a disapointment.
No, I don't think we're that far off -- it was just my terminology. IMO, McClung, Fossum, and Waechter are all essentially #5 starters being forced into more dramatic roles. Perhaps they can remain there and perhaps they may progress beyond that, but I don't see any of them progressing to the #2 level.
I also disagree with your assessment of Gomes I think he is less likely to be a star, say a 9-10 win player that Crawford, Cantu, Baldelli, Upton, or Young.
Again, I don't think we're all that far apart -- I just have a fondness for Gomes that is perhaps clouding my judgment. I'm more skeptical on Baldelli, though.
I do think a 70 win season should be considered a failure as I stated in the preview. Generally speaking I think most primates . . . underrate the importance of winning games . . . . The organazation isn't just trying to build a team for the future, but they are trying to build a fan base as well.
Agreed again. Maybe I didn't word myself well, but this was the point I was trying to make. IMO, the most critical things the organization needs to do is to map out a plan and take steps toward executing that plan -- incorporating Upton and Young into the bigs, sorting out the OF and corner infield slots, and adding good pitching, especially starters (thinking the pen can be worked out cheaper). If they do that, the year is a success in my mind, almost regardless of the win total.
Nevertheless, I totally agree that 2006 on-field success is important for this team and the community. As I mentioned, the new ownership and front office crew has established some goodwill, but if the team continues to win 70 games (or less), I can easily foresee the community thinking nothing has changed and losing faith. Even if they win only 74 games, that would be some sign to the community that there is reason for optimism and that they should stick with the team.
Obviously 78 wins (or better still, 81) would be fantastic. My point was that (a) I don't expect them to win that many and (b) even if they won in the lower 70s, that alone would be an improvement over the Naimoli-led teams and would provide a psychic boost.
One minor piece of criticism about the entire Preview project in general: Is there a logistical or technical reason why a lot of the Previews are being posted after the season has started?
I understand that the Previews aren't invalidated by two week's worth of games. But nonetheless, it's a little jarring to see that the Braves have played 10 games and have yet to be "previewed," for example.
Yes.
1. Some of us were late submitting articles.
2. Dan's service provider knocked him off line for a few days right after the crunch.
-- MWE
I see the Devil Rays about where the Blue Jays were in early 1982. It's finally time for the team to start moving forward. Kazmir is Stieb, and the team is just loaded with young hitters.
In the right hands, this thing could all reach a critical mass very, very soon. The pitching needs help, for sure.
But as Bill James said many moons ago . . . I think a team that is loaded with young hitters and has a shaky staff is in much better shape than a team with some good young pitching but a rough offense. The hitters are much more likely to actually pan out.
I realize Upton is having trouble at SS and that is what's holding him back. But at some point, they are going to have to decide 1) he is a SS or 2) he isn't and either way, get him to the major leagues.
If you decide 1, deal with the errors, and get the learning curve on major league pitching going sooner rather than later.
If it's 2, deal someone, and stick him in the OF, or at 2B (where the athleticsm will be valuable on the DP, and his inability to catch the ball won't hurt him as much, since he'll have time to recover) and trade someone to make the opening. Cantu can play 3B instead of 2B, right? Isn't he a horrible 2B anyway? Or does he not have an arm?
If you want to stick Upton in the OF, then just trade Baldelli. He'd bring back a good arm or two, and he's always hurt anyway. Gomes, Crawford, Upton isn't a bad OF at all. Baldelli would bring back just as much in trade as Lugo would, IMO. But the point is, do what you have to do to get Upton up already.
And while you're at it, enough Travis Lee already. Bring up Delmon Young and stick him (or Gomes) at 1B if you have too many OF. I just think it makes sense to get these guys up. I know all about not wanting to start the arbitration clock, but enough already. You learn how to be a major league player in the major leagues, not in AAA. At least not once you've proven what these guys have. It's time to get this core out on the field and start teaching them how to win in the majors. In that respect, dealing for a veteran arm would be a good move for this team, if it's someone who can hold his own on the mound, and is the type of guy that will teach the young arms a thing or two.
I really think this team is about to turn the corner. This division is going to be fun to watch the next few years.
He's amassed an amazing wealth of talent here over the years. Expansion teams take awhile to win when they don't go the route of the Diamondbacks or Marlins.
Some of the moves were questionable, but the guy managed to turn Victor Zambrano into Scott Kazmir.
I'd hire him as a farm director tomorrow, and it wouldn't kill me if I had to hire him as GM, if I had a team that was trying to rebuild from ground up. I don't think he did a bad job here at all. His hands were tied and he did a reasonable job, given the circumstances.
I thought that Samuel Beckett was the playwright who wrote, among other things, "Waiting For Godot" which is either sheer genius or boring depending on who you talk to.
I think, but I'm not positive, it's the episode where he jumps into the Irish writer who's struggling with his eventually famous play, Waiting for Godot.
Nice job Matt, pretty good article for an outsider.
No, it wasn't. Not that we know for sure either way but neither side ever admitted it was offered, and there was enough word saying that it was merely some writers dream (thoughm admittedly i couldnt find whatever aricles i saw this in)
Basically what i mean is this is too unsure to say the this was exactly the case.
Generally a solid write up though.
BTW, Bankson, who did good in full year in AA last year and isnt in the bigs, isnt on the AAA Bulls or their DL either. Anyone know where hes at? are they making him repeat AA as he learns 3b?
And as for Weatcher, the numbers from last year support you and i wonder how he changed from when i saw him in the minors (i know he got hurt, maybe that was it) because he was a guy that sat 92-93 and could hit 94 a bunch but wasnt toally sharp with his command.
-- MWE
It's comfortable (especially in the otherwise very uncomfortable summer months), you can see well from just about anywhere you sit, and it the area it's in has improved noticably in the last few years. They're also doing some pretty major renovations this year and it already looks much nicer as a result.
I like it, anyway.
The problem is the stadium hasn't been around for very long and has never had a good team in it. From all I hear Fenway isn't exactly a shining example of comfort, cleanliness, and beauty but because it's historic and has "atmosphere" it gets rave reviews.
Your certainly correct about cleanliness, and comfort... but in terms of Beauty Fenway is right up there.
It's not just the atmosphere, but it is the surrounding area, there is nothing there. You can't make an outing out of a trip to the park, because besides the park there is nothing there except a meat packing warehouse.
The sitelines are fine, the seats are spacious enough... but the park is not ateticly pleasing. The fact that the park is this new, and so damn ugly is amazing. It just doesn't compare to Jacobs, or Camden, or Fenway or PNC or Great American of the parks Ive been to. It doesn't even compare to Skydome or the BOB.
Not to mention indoor baseball is for the birds.
Skydome, err Rogers Centre, however.I'd be interested in the opinion of those who've been both to Tropicana and the Metrodome or Olympic Stadium.
The Jax Suns Stadium is really nice, and the overhead provides enough shade to make a ballgame pleasent.
Well I have been to The O, and the Skydome, and Pro Players, and RFK... and if The Trop is anything like those 4... well... yeah.. I don't think it sounds like a great place. I guess I'll see when I head down there, which right now looks like it will be in May for the homestand with the Marlins.
That's the problem with indoor baseball...there are no birds.
I go to minor league games in Lakeland a few times a year, and night games are usually comfortable. I'd hate to sit out there during the day, though.
The Trop isn't exactly bad. Antiseptic would have been a good description, except the place was kinda dirty whenever I went last season. The folks running it now seem to have cleaned the place up and reports are it's a more pleasant place for a game. I'll see sometime later this season when I go to a game.
I've been to a couple of worse venues. I remember going to a Father's Day game at Candlestick, having to sit under a blanket and drink hot chocolate. Then again, I went to the old Arlington Stadium in August once. Whoever's idea of metal bleachers in Texas should be fried in boiling oil, which was about what sitting there felt like. I swore the longer I sat there, the more I smelled bacon.
Everything good hurts.
and huh, what was that about waiting for godot? :)
nice preview btw. anyone else worried by carl crawford? he stopped running late last year, and still hasn't turned the jets on. Also his quotes seem to reflect a slight attitude problem. he seemed to have a problem with his coaches. has there been any developments after the season has started?
I remember couple of comments from him, where he said he no longer listened to the hitting coach, how he wanted to swing early in the count n look to hit more homers, as he wanted to be the "fantasy king"
and he was unhappy when Baldelli got the same contract as him
I honestly think that Upton's problems stem from trying to do too much. He has tremendous lateral range, especially going toward the hole, and basically all that I think he needs to do is rein it in a bit and stop trying to force it.
-- MWE
...and a good-fielding first baseman (like Travis Lee) would do wonders to help that. ;-)
I know this was intended to be a joke, but of the Upton errors I've seen, the Jolly Green Giant couldn't have been of any help.
-- MWE
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