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Friday, March 14, 2003

New York Mets

The 2002 New York Mets signed Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, Jeromy Burnitz, Jeff D’Amico and Pedro Astacio in an effort to improve the team and get back to the World Series, where they had been just two seasons before. I winced. Vaughn? He had missed the ’01 season and was old. We’d be lucky to get an 800 OPS out of him. Burnitz? Well, maybe we’ll get an 850 OPS out of him. Alomar – good deal, so we traded a promising lefty, but he is a Hall of Famer. D’Amico? He was good a few years ago. P. Astacio? He’s a nut. If he’s healthy, he’ll be okay. The signings didn’t give Met fans a good deal of hope, but it wasn’t the worst thing I could have imagined.

And then they played. And I wept, particularly on May 1, 2002. Or rather, this summed up the Mets season: Giants score on Mo Vaughn forgetting how to play baseball and Rey Ordonez doing something stupid on the basepaths.

Vaughn was a figurative joke offensive and an actual joke defensively over the entire season. Alomar turned in a repeat of his rookie campaign, looking as if he'd never played in the majors before. Seriously, compare his first season and his most recent season. Astacio and D’Amico weren’t any good, and probably weren’t healthy.

Then there was Burnitz. He turned in the worst season of any player in 2002. There was even a game in which Burnitz didn’t just subject the fans to terrible play but also twice allowed his bat to slip out of his hands resulting in fan injuries. Burnitz looked as if he were about to cry after making out after out after out. It was painful to watch.

The 2003 New York Mets signed Cliff Floyd, Rey Sanchez, Tom Glavine and Mike Stanton. They fired Bobby Valentine, whom I found humorous. They hired Art Howe.

And now, on with the show.

Manager - Art Howe

Howe has managed for 12 seasons in the majors and been fairly successful with his last four seasons being exceptionally so. His teams have increased their win total every season for five straight seasons. It should be easy for the Mets to improve upon 75 wins.

Howe seems to be the type of manager who writes out his lineup and let’s them play. The guys have to show up for work everyday, and then it’s up to the players. I like that in a manager. Over-managing is one of the most common errors in baseball today. He doesn’t steal with guys who can’t run. He doesn’t use the hit-and-run and he only sacrifices in the appropriate settings. He seems like a good Strat-o-matic player. He likes to use the IBB – which I don’t object to – with a GB pitcher and good middle infielders. He loves the defensive sub. If he has the gumption to stick Roger Cedeño in centerfield for most of the season, at least he’ll take him out in a double-switch in the seventh. He uses the LOOGY (left-handed one-out guy) when he has one, but he also lets his starters go deep.

What I don’t like about him is this: a dozen years ago he moved Craig Biggio out from behind the plate – he may try to convince Piazza of the same thing, and Piazza is far more valuable there.

He gets high marks from sportswriters in general (now – winning cures all ills), but I see him as the "middle of the road" manager. Not asleep, but not hyperactive.

Catcher – Mike Piazza

Mike Piazza is the best hitting catcher in the game – ever. His numbers were down last season. Is it age catching up to him (and catching 1300 games)? Maybe, maybe not. Piazza was actually worse in 1999, and he bounced back in 2000. It’s hard to tell. His OPS+ was 140 last season, and it foretold of the end? That’s still a long way to fall.

Piazza will be the best catcher playing in 2003. That’s one position the Mets don’t have to worry about.

First Base – Mo Vaughn

Mo Vaughn supposedly lost a ton of weight. We’ll see. Mo asked, "Am I too fat?" The Mets replied, "You’d have to lose 30 pounds to be ‘too fat’." He has lost a bit of weight – we’ll see how it helps.

Vaughn was dreadful in the field in 2002. He’s got fine hands for scooping, but that is an over-rated skill. He’s surprisingly short, which hurts infielders more than one might think, and it doesn’t help that Mo is about as athletic as Jabba the Hutt. He even adds poor footwork around the bag to his shameful defensive resumé.

All put, he’s a bad first baseman and probably cost the Mets on the order of 15 runs a season as compared to the average first baseman.

On the plus side, Mo’s bat really came alive in the second half, posting an OPS of 880 (ML avg 820).

Vaughn is another year older, but he can probably keep an 880 OPS up. Improving his play by 80 points of OPS should generate about 20 extra runs.

Second Base – Roberto Alomar

Alomar had tremendous platoon splits last season, and "not good" ones in 2001. Is he losing his swing from the right side? It appears so. Alomar may need his eyes checked or he may need to give up switch-hitting. He can hit enough left-handed to be a good player, but the Mets need him to be a star. He posted 850 OPS for a bunch of seasons, and I think he can again. The distribution of his failures worries me. He may need a platoon partner. I see him being better than ’02 by about 20 runs, and even more if he doesn’t have eye troubles and just had a poor season right-handed.

Alomar wasn’t very good defensively either, about 10 runs below average. It could be age, or adjusting to a new stadium. He was about that bad (-10) in 2001, so that could be his ability.

Third Base – Ty Wigginton

Wigginton hit a ton for the Mets in 120 PAs. His minor league career suggests nothing of the sort. He is only 25, so he could improve on his MLE (in the 700 OPS range). In short, the Mets are hurting at third base and the alternate option of playing Jay Bell is a terrible idea. I suspect they’ll trade for Robin Ventura or something mid-season. The loss of Alfonzo really hurts the Mets and whatever they do here will be 20-30 runs worse than Alfonzo.

Shortstop – Rey Sanchez

The Mets dumped Rey Ordoñez’ $4 million contract and signed Rey Sanchez to a $1.2 million contract. They instantly improved offensively and defensively and financially. That’s not always easy to do.

Okay, neither Rey can hit and both can field. Sanchez has always been a little better than Ordoñez at both. And Rey is just a placeholder and, assumedly, mentor for Reyes.

Sanchez won’t be 10 runs better than Ordoñez with the bat nor 10 runs better with the glove, although that is possible, but he’ll improve the team by 10 runs overall and that’s one more win in 2003.

Left Field – Cliff Floyd

Cliff Floyd has been mentioned as someone who hasn’t really been what teams that acquire him hoped he would be. He’s posted OPS+ marks of 130, 152, 143 the last three seasons. He’s going to post that again this season – 140ish. That’s pretty strong. Average leftfielders post an OPS of about 800, so those posting 950 should be considered really good. Floyd will be nearly 40 runs better than the Mets third outfielder last season.

Floyd is no great shakes with the leather, but he’s not, say, Roger Cedeño either. He’ll be below average (5-10 runs).

Floyd is only 30 and probably has at least three or four more good seasons in him – the Mets made a good move signing him.

Center Field – Roger Cedeno/Timo Perez

Okay, this is wishful thinking on my part, but I really, really hope Howe plays the better player of these two. That’s Timo Perez. Somehow Perez slipped through everyone’s radar. He hit very well in the minors and hit well in the majors in 2002. Perez’ 2002 RC/27 is better than Cedeño’s has ever been [Note: using RC because OPS will cheat Cedeño out of his SBs]. Perez posted a OPS+ of 106 last season and is still young (maybe). He could post a .300/.350/.450 season. That’s minimal improvement over 2002, and in line with his minor league numbers. He also can play defense. He is just average defensively, but that’s 10 runs (or more) better than Cedeño.

Cedeño posted an OBP of .396 as a 24-year old. He drew 60 walks in 525 PAs. You’d think he would improve after that. Two years later in Detroit he drew 36 in 572 PAs. What happened? Cedeño was bad in left field defensively – what will happen in center?

Right Field – Jeromy Burnitz

Burnitz is done. Stick a fork in him. See the Forecast 2003: Old Players article for my comments on Burnitz; it’s too painful to re-create.

Burnitz was terrible defensively and godawful at the plate. He is going to make $11.5 million this year which should set the standard for bad deals for a player that actually played.

If the Mets were smart (huh, huh, huh), they would play Floyd in right, Cedeño in left and Perez in center – and euthanize Burnitz. Any New York judge would be lenient since it would clearly be a "mercy-killing."

Rotation

Tom Glavine was brought over from the Braves to be an ace. He’s 37, and everyone, including me, has said he couldn’t keep it up forever. Well, Braves fans always chuckled. Of course, now they are the ones predicting his collapse. Funny how that works. I look forward to Bobby Cox getting run for complaining about Glavine’s wide strike zone.

Glavine posted his fifth best ERA+ of his career in 2002. I wouldn’t look for a sudden drop to set in. He may not be as good as he was in ’02, but then he’s only had four better seasons in his career. Right-handed batters hit markedly worse in Shea, so Glavine will get a boost from that.

Some will point to his pre- and post-All-Star numbers and say he’s wearing out. His pre-AS ERA was 2.27 and his post-AS was 3.93. Unfortunately for those people his seasonal splits were just the opposite the previous season (4.55/2.53). He still keeps the ball in the yard, strikes people out and doesn’t walk people.

Glavine should be solid, posting an ERA in the middle-to-upper two’s. Glavine replaces a combination of Jeff D’Amico and Shawn Estes. He’s 30 runs better than they were.

Al Leiter used to be an odd-even pitcher in the mold of former Met Saberhagen - in even seasons he was good and in odd seasons, not so much. In 2001, he bucked the trend. He was not-so-good in 2002, so maybe he’ll be good again in 2003. Leiter actually pitched well for most of the season, but couldn’t keep the ball in the park at a few critical moments. His K/9 was up from ’01 and his BB/9 rate was down. He had a couple of games where he simply couldn’t get the ball down. It wasn’t pretty to watch. If he can keep the ball down, he’ll post good numbers. Going back-to-back with Glavine will be interesting as Leiter is in, in, in and Glavine is away, away, away in the location, location, location game. He’ll be about the same.

Steve Trachsel is a changed man. In early 2001, Trachsel agreed to be sent down to AAA to work on his game. He had an ERA in the 8’s. When he returned, he posted an ERA in the 2’s. He figured something out. I boasted in alt.sports.baseball-nymets that Trachsel would have an ERA of 3.50 in the coming season. Trachsel didn’t disappoint. He figured something out in that trip to Norfolk and he’ll be good again this season. He’s a sleeper in everyone’s fantasy draft because so few people studied this change in him. What he fixed I don’t know, but his success over the last 300 IP shows it is real. He’ll be solid again in 2003.

I must mention that he is the slowest working pitcher ever. Expect his starts to be really long. It annoys some fans to death.

Pedro Astacio isn’t healthy right. That probably means he wasn’t totally healthy last season. He’s lost strikeouts, which doesn’t bode well for the Mets and he’s likely to start the season on the disabled list for a torn bicep.

Astacio injured his shoulder in late 2001 and signed with the Mets when Houston declined to re-up him after he got injured with them. Astacio was good in the first half of the season (ERA 3.17), but, frankly, stunk in the second half (ERA 7.00). After not giving up more than 4 runs in any game through his first 22 starts, Pedro gave up 5 or more runs in 7 of 9 starts to the end of the season. Evidently, Astacio had a contract incentive that if he got to 180 IP, he would get a $7 million contract for 2003. Astacio staggered past the finish line, making one more start after reaching the 180 IP mark and getting his head ripped off. I think he may not have been injured, but just out of gas. It was a long season on the rebound from a shoulder injury.

Mike Bacsik is a lefty like Glavine. I suspect the Mets are hoping he will learn from Glavine. Bacsik can’t throw the cutter like Leiter, so that leaves the circle-change. If Glavine is considering a future in the majors as a coach, here’s a good opportunity. Bacsik’s father apparently pitched for the Rangers and Twins from 1975-80.

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA *lgERA *ERA+ Sr. 1976 24 TEX AL 3 2 23 0 55.0 66 26 3 26 21 4.25 3.59 85 Jr. 2002 24 NYM NL 3 2 11 9 55.7 63 27 8 19 30 4.37 3.91 90

Junior has to stop giving up the long ball.

I’m pretty jazzed about David Cone pitching for the Mets. And he’s wearing #16. Cool. Since he hasn’t pitched well in some time, I’m keeping an open mind about what he’ll do when the clock starts ticking.

Armando Benitez is a closer who makes me want to stomp something cute and cuddly. His overall numbers are pretty dominant, but, boy, does he walk some guys when I happen to be watching. I think the closer position is over-rated, and I think Benitez is more highly regarded than he should be – he likes to see the "100" on the scoreboard. Those things considered, I think the Mets should trade him to a team that "really needs a closer", like, say, the Red Sox. But not for Shea Hillenbrand.

Small sample sizes aside, Benitez gives up too many home runs, allowing one home run every 8 innings. When you only pitch the ninth inning of close games, not allowing home runs is a really big deal as the win probabilities are really getting killed there. Benitez blew Game 6 in Atlanta when Kenny Rogers walked in Andruw Jones. Benitez has now allowed 8 HR in 30 postseason innings (28 games). That’s pretty much an assured blown save in each playoff series – sometimes two! Trade him to the Twins for Joe Mauer.

The rest of the bullpen has good parts and "WTF" parts. Mike Stanton has been very good the last few seasons. I heard that when he delivers the pitch, he mutters to himself (or thinks it really hard) "ground ball to second base". He’s certainly better than gathering re-treads like Graeme Lloyd or Donovan Osbourne. Oh. The Mets bullpen is pretty good. Scott Stickland can be successful if not abused and David Weathers can too. John Franco may throw some pitches this year. Franco can get out right-handed batters who simply have to swing – like Shawon Dunston and batters that have never faced him and are unfamiliar with his schtick. Leaving him to face non-qualifiers to these two conditions is a managerial mistake – Franco shouldn’t be held accountable. Despite his off-the-field habits, I like Grant Roberts pitching future.

The Mets bench is terrible – I’m not sure who’ll be sitting there, but Joe McEwing is an abomination. Shinjo is acceptable as a part-time player and defensive sub – he is a good fielder and the Mets need defensive subs. Marco Scutaro is a younger, better Joe McEwing. Why do the Mets have Super Joe again? If Tony Clark hasn’t lost it, he’ll make the bench a good bit better. That’s how bad it is.

When all is said and done, this Mets team should score 60-80 more runs and allow about 20-30 fewer. That will only get them to about 86-88 wins. That could win the NL East, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Please note that my predictions don't match ZiPS. That's what makes an impartial system important and valuable; people aren't impartial and won't apply factors consistently. The computer will.

2003 ZiPS Projections - Click for info

PO Player       G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB  SO SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG
C  Piazza     129 457  71 135 23  1 30  95 57  85  1  2 .295 .374 .547
1B Vaughn     138 498  67 130 21  0 25  79 62  92  1  1 .261 .343 .454
2B Alomar     143 554  82 162 28  5 12  67 62  83 24  4 .292 .364 .426
3B Wigginton  119 447  56 126 28  1 10  52 46  72  2  1 .282 .349 .416
SS Sanchez    123 433  45 115 14  3  1  33 18  45  6  2 .266 .295 .319
LF Floyd      138 498  92 148 40  1 27  88 67  99 12  4 .297 .381 .544
CF Cedeno     131 472  64 128 15  5  7  41 40  83 35  9 .271 .328 .369
RF Burnitz    146 493  75 113 22  1 22  73 70 144  6  5 .229 .325 .412
c  Wilson      65 140  16  35  6  0  4  23  5  29  0  1 .250 .276 .379
1b Clark       97 318  40  80 19  2 10  45 37  80  0  0 .252 .330 .418
ss Reyes      154 566 107 141 28 12  7  47 37  76 39 22 .249 .295 .378
ut McEwing    103 217  28  53 12  2  5  27 12  49  6  4 .244 .284 .387
of Perez      128 408  52 118 22  5  8  43 22  37 10  7 .289 .326 .426
of Shinjo     116 364  43  91 18  2  9  44 24  57  4  2 .250 .296 .385

PO Player       W  L  ERA  G GS  IP   H  ER HR BB  SO
SP Glavine     12 15 4.42 35 35 220 207 108 25 93 126
SP Leiter      11 13 4.25 31 31 201 182  95 25 71 156
SP Trachsel     9 13 4.75 30 30 180 196  95 24 68 118
SP Astacio     11 11 3.97 30 30 188 176  83 26 66 166
SP Bacsik       7 10 4.61 32 23 158 200  81 22 40 100
RP Stanton      6  3 2.62 76  0  79  66  23  3 24  68
RP Weathers     4  5 4.15 74  0  78  77  36  6 37  62
RP Lloyd        6  5 3.80 74  0  64  64  27  5 21  41
RP Roberts      3  4 4.07 35 12 104 120  47  7 43  77
RP Strickland   6  5 3.86 69  0  70  65  30  7 34  78
CL Benitez      2  3 4.11 68  0  70  60  32 11 34  91
ZiPS is not a playing time predictor and should not be added for team totals.
Chris Dial Posted: March 14, 2003 at 12:00 AM | 25 comment(s)
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   1. Benji Posted: March 13, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609481)
The computer says 86-88 wins, and also no pitcher to have a winning record. That would be quite a trick. This roster will be lucky to win 80.
   2. Robert Dudek Posted: March 13, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609482)
Benji,

Read the fine print under the ZiPS projections.
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609490)
I'm still unsure as to why everyone most Met fans expect Vaughn to bounce back to something good.

Year Age OPS+
1996 28 148
1997 29 152
1998 30 155
1999 31 118
2000 32 115
2001 33 ---
2002 34 116

Is there any particular reason to expect Vaughn to suddenly start playing well again? IMO, expecting Vaughn to improve again is like the Cubs and White Sox waiting for George Bell to rebound.
   4. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609491)
Do you really expect Glavine to be in the mid to upper 2's? That will be quite the feat.

Gotta be a typo. I'd call mid to upper 2's the very optimistic side of realistic for Glavine.
   5. Chris Dial Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609493)
Dave,
I really expect Glavine to be in the upper twos - a little better depending on who is in CF, a little worse depending on who is in RF. If *I* were managing, I'd have Cedeno, Perez, Floyd around the OF, while trying to trade a pitcher for someone to replace Cedeno. Shea helps Glavine a lot. I may be overly optimistic - that's why ZiPS, though high, is important. It temmpers one's enthusiasm. As for the Mets DER, it doesn't segment. Glavine is all about a ground ball to the shortstop - a RHB trying to pull a circle-change low and away. Much of Glavine's succes will depend on the generosity of umpires and what Glavine thinks he has to do.

Trax? I don't know what he learned. He may have learned to simply "hide" the ball longer. Upon returning from AAA last season, that would result in batters familiar with him to be late and miss more. Higher K rate. Now they have seen him and adjusted to making contact, but they can't get it out of hte park. It's a McCarver clich, but it's true - the pitcher adjusts, then the hitters adjust, then the pitcher has to adjust again. I'm a real Mets sicko - I watch *and score* most of the games (>100), so I'm watching intently and writing things down - and I'm sure Trachsel is for real. When he starts getting bashed, that's when the adjustments have been made. Trax was strong *all* year - other than the clubbing he got from the Yankees.

Mets Fan,
no computer will predict a 20 win season. It's overly optimistic. Maybe he'll have 15-18 wins, but he could have bad luck all season (see Leiter last year) and have 10-12.

Can't Help,
Glavine will benefit from Rey Sanchez. The Braves middle infield defense was fairly good, with Lockhart being a good fielder and Furcal not so much. He gets the same treatment from the Mets, with Sanchez being (probably) the best fielding SS and Alomar, not so much.

Andruw Jones is the greatest defensive CF of all time like Nap Lajoie is the greatest defensive 2B of all time. But yes, Cedeño in CF is a HUGE mistake, and will hurt everyone.

Glavine doesn't avoid HRs in the extreme, I think he is successful on being smart. Low and away is just a hard pitch to hit.

Oil can,
thanks for bringing the G/F ratios. As Charlie Saeger will point out, those *usually* have GDPs double-counted. Anywa, his ERA+ those same seasons have been: 1.71 - 105, 1.45 - 136, 1.15 - 123, 1.06 - 139.

I don't really see a pattern of success. My unsubstantiated view is that in pitcher's parks (where HRs tend to be difficult), FBs are a *good* thing. Provided the OF can catch a little bit. Which isn't a given.

Dan,
IIRC, a player's second half performance is a better predictor of his next season than his overall season. Did I read that, or am I mis-remembering? Mo came back from an injury and struggled - as he got used to seeing pitches again he got better. I don't think anyone is predicting Bagwell-ian numbers - just not super-suck. But an 800 OPS predicted by ZiPS, is every bit as likely as the 880 I think is possible. So we're on the same page.

David,
Glavine has a 2.96 last season without posting outstanding peripheral nubmers. He moves to a better pitcher's park. I expect him to maintain that, although I readily acknowledge it's optimistic - see his ZiPS projection, and split the difference.

   6. Eric Enders Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609494)
By all accounts Glavine is one of the most intelligent pitchers in the game, so is it not possible that he has intentionally been increasing his fly ball rate over the last few years in order to take advantage of Andruw Jones? And if that's the case, that he may also try to throw more grounders this year to keep the ball away from Jolly Roger?

I'm not saying I necessarily believe that, just that it's possible.
   7. Nick S Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609497)
The Mets are still paying about 4 million of Rey Ordonez's salary, so they may have improved themselves offensively and defensively, but are still being harmed financially by Rey's obscene contract.

As seems to be the theme of these comments, "mid to upper 2's" for Glavine this year is somewhat beyond optimistic. He squeaked in under 3 last year (for the first time since 1998) thanks largely to Atlanta's tremendous fielding and despite just a mediocre K rate (127 K in 224 IP) and good but far from great BB (78) and HR (21) rates. On top of this, his 2001 season was no better and the two years before that only marginally better.
   8. Sam Hutcheson Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609499)
Dial on Tom Glavine:

"Some will point to his pre- and post-All-Star numbers and say he’s wearing out. His pre-AS ERA was 2.27 and his post-AS was 3.93. Unfortunately for those people his seasonal splits were just the opposite the previous season (4.55/2.53). He still keeps the ball in the yard, strikes people out and doesn’t walk people."

Dial on Mo Vaughn:

"Dan, IIRC, a player's second half performance is a better predictor of his next season than his overall season. Did I read that, or am I mis-remembering? Mo came back from an injury and struggled - as he got used to seeing pitches again he got better. I don't think anyone is predicting Bagwell-ian numbers - just not super-suck. But an 800 OPS predicted by ZiPS, is every bit as likely as the 880 I think is possible. So we're on the same page."

Do you serve chicken with that waffle?

s/

   9. Sam Hutcheson Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609500)
Nick S says:

"As seems to be the theme of these comments, "mid to upper 2's" for Glavine this year is somewhat beyond optimistic. He squeaked in under 3 last year (for the first time since 1998) thanks largely to Atlanta's tremendous fielding and despite just a mediocre K rate (127 K in 224 IP) and good but far from great BB (78) and HR (21) rates. On top of this, his 2001 season was no better and the two years before that only marginally better. "

It's been forever and a day since I squared off with Michael Wolverton's reliever reports, so maybe someone else can do the research, but how much was Glavine's "sub-3" ERA a by product of insane relief help last year?

s/
   10. Walt Davis Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609501)
I too can see no reason to expect Mo to be better. He's been remarkably consistent the last 3 years played (1999, 2000, 2002):

BA+: 102, 97, 100
OBP+: 103, 104, 105
SLG+: 115, 111, 111
OPS+: 118, 115, 116
EQA: 289, 291, 284

Would Mo posting an 880 OPS (about a 135 OPS+) in 2003 be the strangest thing in baseball history? No. But it would be mighty strange.
   11. studes Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609502)
Sam, Glavine wasn't overly helped by the Braves' bullpen. Both Maddux and Millwood made Wolverton's list of top 20 most helped starters, but Glavine didn't.
   12. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609504)
<iDavid, Glavine has a 2.96 last season without posting outstanding peripheral nubmers. He moves to a better pitcher's park. I expect him to maintain that, although I readily acknowledge it's optimistic - see his ZiPS projection, and split the difference. </i>

Fair enough. I don't see any reason to predict any significant decline next year, but he had a low H/BiP rate last year, and he ain't getting any younger. With a little less luck last year and Cedeno in CF he could have posted an ERA in the mid 3's.

I'd predict an ERA in the mid- to high-3's, with no significant change in his peripheral stats. Similar performance, more runs. The bad OF defense might hurt him, but Shea won't hurt his HR rate. His K rate couldn't possibly get any lower, and I don't see walks becoming a sudden problem.
   13. Roadblock Jones Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609505)
Chris -- That's twice now you've casually tossed off a comment on Burnitz' defense ("stunk" and now "terrible") without explaining it. I know his pct. wasn't great but elsewhere the numbers looked around average and having watched him over the course of the year if anything he appeared to be pretty solid. Can you explain?
   14. Scott Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609508)
How much does it affect Mets hitters to be in a division with so much good pitching? With the unbalanced schedule, they play more games within the E. Division, where even the bad teams (Mets, Expos, Florida) have good pitching. Could that be why the Mets have had so many "disappointments" among their hitters? And does that give cause for pessimism about (a) Alomar "returning to form" and (b) Floyd playing to expectations?
   15. Dave Studenmund Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609510)
Scott, that's a great point. I remember that Diamond Mind (or someone) ran projections last year for 2002, and came to the same conclusion. That is, the Mets would disappoint, partly because of the superior pitching in their division.

Having said that, Floyd has been playing in the East division for years, and the Miami stadium is about as pitcher-friendly as Shea. As a Mets' fan, I have high hopes for Floyd. And I'm an Alomar pessimist.
   16. Chris Dial Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:42 PM (#609514)
Sam,
that's not a waffle. That's you creating something that isn't there, much like your nemesis. Mo Vaughn posted 850+ OPS, well, every season since 1992 except for '02, when he was coming off an injury. Once he got his legs moving he did hit that in the second half. You're right, I should have said "hitters" second half performance. Would that make you feel better? Others might say you are just showing your jealousy as a Braves fan. I wouldn't say that though.

Roadblock,
Burnitz ZR was the lowest in the league. He simply didn't catch many balls hit out to RF. He'll show up in MGL's ratings as the worst, or really close.
   17. Roadblock Jones Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609516)
OK if ZR is your guide.

Few more questions: The Mets on May 1 defeated Arizona 7-1. The Giants games weren't until a few weeks later, if that's what you meant to imply. And no matter what your scorecard tells you, the Giants can't score on Ordonez' bad baserunning.
   18. Bill Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609518)
What this writeup is ignoring is the Mets' amazing dependence on players who are 34-plus. While it is certainly not impossible for a player to be better at 35 than at 34 or 37 than at 36, the odds are heavily in favor of the Mets having more negative surprises than positive ones. Although the temptation to try to compete in the dubious NL east of 2003 is understandable, I think Phillips would have been better off going into rebuilding mode and looking out two or three years when their four or five top prospects could have a substantial impact.
   19. John Posted: March 14, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609520)
(Glavine went 9-19 3.84, Leiter, amusingly, went 1-17 5.10)

Hella offense those Diamond Mets must have had. How unrealistic it would be for (1) Alomar to play like last year, (2) Burnitz to play like last year, (3) Vaughn to play like last year, (4) Floyd to get hurt, (5) Wiggington to suck, (6) Sanchez to do what he does, (7) Cedeno to hack like he does, and (8) Piazza to walk 150 times? Not so much.

1-17 is amusing. Two really good pitchers with NO run support is a distinct possibility.

Dial's preview is well done, but pretty optimistic.
   20. Scott Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609522)
Dave wrote: I remember that Diamond Mind (or someone) ran projections last year for 2002, and came to the same conclusion. That is, the Mets would disappoint, partly because of the superior pitching in their division.

Interesting -- do you have a link to that? Does anyone? Any other studies of how much effect the unbalanced schedule has on offense in the NL East? Or any other divisional effect, like the 2002 Rangers' stats being skewed by having 3 very strong opponents in their division?
   21. Chris Dial Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609528)
Roadblock,
sorry - the May 1 comment was my own private joke. My daughter was born that day. While we sat in the hospital holding, I had the Mets-DBacks game on the room TV. I was unable to score that day. I did score the 4-30-02 game - Mets slapped Rick Helling around 10-1. Piazza hit 3-run HRs in the first and second (6 RBI) and Super Joe started at SS and homered in the third. After Leiter singled, Helling was lifted. Brian Anderson came in and gave up three straight singles to Alomar, Cedeno and Mo.

The Giants game is more that - even when we get runners on, we show poor thinking. Down by 1 run in the 8th, you can't make baserunning errors - that's just stupid.
   22. Dave Studenmund Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609529)
Scott, here's the link to the Diamond Mind article: http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/proj2002.htm

The Mets comments are about two-thirds of the way down the page.
   23. Roadblock Jones Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609531)
Gotcha, and belated congratulations. The comment about Ordonez' baserunning was a nitpick on your choice of words: The Giants cannot "score" (as you wrote) when the Mets were on offense, that's all I meant.

That 4/30 game by the way, I believe was the one where Jay Payton was accused of failing to properly congratulate McEwing on his home run. If one spent last year in total denial and turned to conspiracies and Mojo to explain away the Mets' stinkiness, one could "explain" the fact that from that night, until the day Payton was traded, McEwing had the most radical slump of his career:

Pre-High-Fivegate: 2-5-.265/.308/.568
High-Fivegate until Payton's Trade: 1-11-.155/.208/.202
Post-Payton Trade: 0-10-.221/.253/.325
   24. Chris Dial Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609536)
dan,
I am very interested. Thanks for adding the information.

It's good stuff. It'll be a regular stop for me.
   25. Darren Posted: March 15, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#609539)
I've written a lot of columns for the same site Dan wrote his prospect
articles for.

http://search.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=228&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey;="The+U+Files"&sssiteid=228

The link takes you to a listing of 24 articles I've written. The ones indicated by a star are premium - you'll have to register to read them.

My own projection is a little lower - about 84 wins. I'm not as optimistic about Vaughn. As has been pointed out, his OPS+ has been just about identical the last three years. Trachsel posted a DIPS ERA 0.97 runs higher than his actual ERA, and his k rate stunk. I think you're fooling yourself.

I have advocated in my articles using a platoon of Timo and Shinjo in CF. They'd gain 20 runs on defense alone over Cedeno. Given their platoon splits, it's possible Timoshi could post a +.800 OPS
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