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Monday, April 23, 2007

Looking Forward to 2007 - Atlanta Braves

Many thanks go to Alan Honeycutt, one of the usenet mafia, for contributing his assistance in this preview. And more thanks go to Sam (and Chris for the last one), for updating their previews while I was unable to get into the Control Panel to post them. -DS

As you're probably aware, in 2006 the Braves failed to win their division for the first time in, like, 4-EVAH.  The recap, as haiku:

    In time, all leaves fall.

    Jorge Sosa:  Antichrist.

    Autumn winds in June.

What went wrong:  Jorge Sosa.  June.

What went right:  Adam LaRoche.  Brian McCann.

What shimmering hint of Summer's Country did glint the hearts of men:  John Smoltz eluding his shadow once more.

What is to come, as heroic couplet:

   The Gods of Old, arisen new again

   Reitsma, Remmy banished from the pen

   O'er lands where evil hence all hope waylaid

   Men of skill once more shall ply their trade.

Okay, so the iambs are a little jiggered.  Squint and look askance.  It's a baseball site for God's sake.

What we fear:  Mark Redman.  Edgar Renteria's "range."

What we're looking forward to:  Kelly Johnson.  Brian McCann.

The darkness that doth shutter the hearts of men: Gorgorath, Devourer of Outs descended in human form unto right field.

Positional Previews:

C - Brian McCann: 

I tried to warn Dan Zymkrewsheweski that his 2006 ZiPS projection for Brian McCann was too low.  He had his date of birth wrong on the spreadsheet, so I just assumed that the calculated projection was incorrect as well, but, noooooo, Dan said he had it right in the computer (like you can trust those things anyway).  Needless to say, Brian McCann made the Leap (capital "L") to stardom in 2006 and Dan looked the fool yet again.  The guy can rake (McCann, not Zymbalinskywitz)...and did I mention that he just turned 23 (again, talking about McCann)?  Behind only a few guys with one-name status (Albert, Miguel,...uh...Joe), McCann ranks as one of the most valuable properties in baseball right now - the perfect storm of major league production and oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-this-guy-plays-for-the-minimum price tag.  Did I mention that he just turned 23? -- ANH

(In case you missed it 'tween the lines, we expect McCann to repeat last year's superstar turn and battle Joe Mauer for the title of most valuable catcher since Mike Piazza for the next decade or two.  He's just RDG -- real damn good. -- SMH)

1B - Scott Thorman/Craig Wilson: 

Scotty Thorman is big.  Just huge.  He's like, 7'5" or something.  I'm pretty sure he ate Adam LaRoche this offseason.  Pittsburgh was very surprised when they received a bucket of puke in exchange for Mike Gonzalez and Brent Lillibridge.  Oh, and Craig Wilson too.

(What we're looking at here is a true L/R platoon with Thorman, or Thor as his teammates so quirkily call him, getting most of the at bats.  We don't expect Thor and Wilson, who has yet to acquire an entertaining nickname but might as well be called Loki to maintain the Nordic vibe, to replicate Adam LaRoche's stellar 2006 but we do expect about 85% thereof for change on the dollar and Mike Gonzalez in the to-go box. -- SMH)

2B - Kelly Johnson:

Back in spring training there was talk of a battle to determine who would be the Braves' starting second sacker.  No one in the know was fooled.  The job was Kelly Johnson's all along, and no amount of Martin Prado channeling Joe Morgan for a month was going to change that.  Sure enough, leading off and playing second base for your 2007 Atlanta Braves...Kelly Johnson.  His line this year will be something close to .400/.640 (and that's just BA/OBP).  He will also play stellar defense (thanks, Mr. Hubbard) and steal 40 bases on his way to crafting a peaceful resolution to all conflict in the Middle East.  All hail His name. -- ANH

(Admittedly, the Kelly Johnson as Superman motif is an inside joke for the few geeks still hanging about on Usenet, but as all good jokes must, it contains a glimmer of truthiness at its core.  When he debuted as a prospect back in the day Kelly Johnson was Chipper Jones, right down to the inability to field short.  A move to 3B followed by the outfield, and several injuries later, he's answering yes to any proposition that might get him a roster spot in the Bigs.  So he's moved back to the infield, over to 2B where Glenn Hubbard will teach him to adequately play the position. 

This is one of the things that makes the Braves continuously competitve despite a shrinking, non-inflation adjusted payroll.  They find market inefficiencies and exploit them.  For a while there (and to some degree still) their best move was to trade midling pitching "prospects" for useful parts banking on the overvaluation other clubs had for "Braves' pitching prospects."  Micah Bowie and Ruben Quevedo, we're looking at you.  Rob Bell, come on down!  That game is almost played, so the Braves have found a new lever to exploit, namely the fact that Glenn Hubbard can teach pretty much anyone to play 2B.

All kidding aside, we expect Johnson to hit for doubles power with double-digits homers thrown in, run well and provide a nice little OBP at the top of the lineup.  We expect him to solidly improve upon Marcus Giles' poor 2006 and we're pretty sure he'll outperform Giles over the next five years too.  Johnson isn't Jeff Kent but he's a once stellar prospect with a nice upside when healthy, and placing him back on the infield does nothing but increase his value. -- SMH)

SS - Edgar Renteria, no matter how posters of a starry-eyed Brent Lillibridge Honeycutt pastes to the ceiling above his bed: 

This year, Baseball Prospectus revamped their prospect measurements to include defense.  The logic behind it goes something like this:  good news - your favorite SS prospect hits like a first baseman, bad news - he fields like a DH.  Anyway, to account for this, Harry Potter or Nate Silver or whoever it is that does those projections decided that UPSIDE (a measure of potential over a player's first five useful seasons - probably an acronym) should include defense.  Those of you waiting for me to relate this to who's on short for the Braves this year, prepare to have your minds blown.  Brent Lillibridge (the "throw in" in the LaRoche-Gonzalez trade) has the second highest UPSIDE of anybody in the Braves system.  Apparently, the kid plays a mean short and projects to hit .277/.349/.428 this year in the majors.  Miguel Tejada or Derek Jeter this is not, but considering Renteria's .286/.347/.412 projection and, uh, range in the field, PECOTA is telling us that Lillibridge, not Ol' Bug Eyes, ought to be the Braves' starter at short in 2007.  We all know that this isn't going to happen, but this is a long-winded way of saying that the Braves should be fine at short with some major upside if everything breaks right for Lillibridge. -- ANH

3B - Chipper Jones: Last year, my wife and I bought a place in Midtown.  At night, you can hear the trains creak by in the distance.  They remind me of Chipper Jones' knees. This distinguishes his knees from his feet in that his knees continue to nominally work.  Still, for the 120 games he's on the field, ole' Chippy is a HOF bat. -- SMH

CF - Andruw Jones in a walk year. -- SMH

*UPDATE:*  The collective wisdom points out that our pithy little send-off for Andruw is hardly obvious in meaning.  Does it mean we think Andruw is going to crush all holy hell out of the ball, smack 50+ dingers again and rocket himself into the ARod stratosphere for paychecks, or does it mean we expect Andruw to press, try to do to much, lose his plate discipline for weeks or months on end and frustrate his most rabid fans while still being one of the most valuable commodities in the game?  The answer is "Yes."  And when it's all said and done?  260/350/520.  You know; Andruw. -- SMH

RF - Jeff Francouer: 

Nicknames for Jeff Francouer:  Frenchy.  Freedom.  Captain Freedom Pants.  Cheeze Eating Surrender Monkey.  Something Special In The Air.  The Smile That Saved America.  Galacticus<strikethrough>Gorgorath</strikethrough>, Devourer of <strikethrough>Worlds</strikethrough> Outs.  If things go right?  Sammy Sosa.  If things go wrong?  Jeff Francouer. -- SMH

*UPDATE:*  In recognition of Cap'n Cowbell's early season show of patience (he walked TWICE in one game!) he may also be called Happy Walksmore, but only until he regresses back to his Swatty McFlyout form.

LF - Ryan Langerhans/Matt DIE-az: 

Do you ever get the feeling that you shouldn't even have bothered?  I mean, you're sitting there, all Ryan Langerhansy like, and it occurs to you that you hit like a poor man's Brett Butler, just without the OBP and uncanny baserunning instincts.  Then out of nowhere, or Kansas City, which as far as you can tell is a lot like nowhere, along comes this Matt DIE-az fool who takes your spot in the lineup and proceeds to hit .327 because - get this - the Braves decided to check his vision.  Rob and Rany can micro-analyze the Royals all that they want, but the possibility that all it took to turn Matt Diaz - decent bat to have around as a fourth outfielder if a little old for his league -- into Matt DIE-az -- hits for average, OBP and enough power to maintain a starting position as a corner OF in the majors -- was an eye test and some contacts ought to tell you all you need to know.  Optometry kids.  Look into it.

When Langerhans joins Andruw and Cap'n Coconut The Outmaker in the lineup Atlanta fields the best defensive outfield in the majors.-- SMH

*UPDATE:* The early returns are in and dear God, please make Ryan Langerhans a defensive replacement and play the ReNu every day.  Now!  A poor man's Brett Boone can NOT strike out ever third at bat.  Ever.

The Rest of the Offense (the bench) -- Brayan Pena (C), Pete Orr (2B, 3B, OF), Chris Woodward (2B, SS, 3B):

Brayan Pena is a switch-hitting catcher with decent defensive skills who looks very much like he rides the short bus in from the Sunshine Center every day before the games.  We call him Corky, because we're vile, mean people who find entertainment in the trials and tribulations of others.  Bite me.  Corky can hit for some average, but it's empty at best.  Little power, no peripheral on-base skills with catcher's speed.  Of course, even with catcher's speed he is notably faster than Brian McCann, who is the slowest professional athlete I've seen since Damon Berryhill lost a foot race to Sid Bream.

Pete Orr is fast, but can't steal bases even on the rare occasions where he makes it to first.  His only real usefulness comes as pinch runner when a single is needed to score a runner from second.  He can't hit, he can barely field and his base-running instincts border on my own.  Plus, he's Canadian.  As such, Bobby Cox loves him.  He's on the team only because Willy Aybar got hurt in spring training.

Chris Woodward has been with the team exactly nine days and I already hate him.  Get out of Kelly's way you impertinent bastard! -- SMH

All of the other backup positions are covered by the platooners, all of whom can play the OF oddly enough.  On the days they're not starting Thorman or Wilson will provide pop off of the bench.  Langerhans will get playing time as a defensive replacement as well.

Starting Pitchers:

John Smoltz

Tim Hudson

Chuck James

Mike Hamp....er, Mark Redman

Lance Cormi...er, Kyle Davies 

On February 27th, still days before the first pitch would be thrown at the first Grapefruit League game of 2007 the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran an article about who would start for the Atlanta Braves on opening day.  That article could have been written in November and the content wouldn't have changed.  As long as his arm didn't fall off John Smoltz was going to take the mound for the Braves.  His arm did not fall off.  Such is the state of the once mighty Atlanta Braves pitching staff - the player who most closely resembles a "sure thing" will turn 40 in May.  Then again, there are worse bets to be made when it comes to starting pitchers than Smoltz, who overcame a terrible first start last year to pitch 232 innings of sub-3.50 ERA ball - his highest ERA since 1994.  Yes, John Smoltz is about to be 40-something, but he also struck out 211 batters last year and has had few arm problems since moving back to the starting rotation a couple of seasons ago.  Expect another 200 innings of 3.5-ish ERA, which would look good at the top of most team's rotations. -- ANH

Do you remember how excited you were when the Braves traded Chuckie Thomas and two bags of magic beans for Tim Hudson?  No?  You must not be a Braves fan.  Anyway, Tim Hudson is back...in POG form!  See, back in the day Hudson sported a nasty splitter that kept his k-rate in the above average to good range while keeping his HR rate fairly microscopic.  That Tim Hudson hasn't existed for the last three years.  This year, the splitter is back in a big way and so is the original optimism that surrounded the Hudson acquisition.  My gut says Hudson battles Smoltz for "lowest ERA on the team" honors this year. -- ANH

Chuck James is the most exciting pitching prospect to come out of Atlanta's system since Bruce Chen.  The primary difference between Chen and now (a pun!) is that for James the excitement seems to be deserved.  James does things like "striking out batters" and "not walking them all the time."  That makes him very nice to behold to a populace weening itself off of four years of Horacio Ramirez (thanks, Mariners).  He needs to keep the homers allowed down but otherwise we're very excited by his potential.  He dominated spring this year with a showcase change-up added to his arsenal.  He lists himself as Chuck H. James in the media guide.  I think the H. stands for "Hotlips" but I can't verify that.  Entertain your friends by shouting "I'm Chuck James, #####!" every time he strikes someone out. -- SMH

Mark Redman is, uh, well, um, he used to pitch for Florida.  He doesn't cost much.  He's left-handed.  OK, I guess by now, you're getting the picture that there might be a fair drop-off between the Braves' third and fourth starter.  If you're a Braves fan, just keep repeating "John Burkett" when it's Redman's turn on the mound and see what happens.  -- ANH  (Here, let me help.  Mark Redman is what you get when Mike Hampton hurts himself three weeks into spring training.  Definition of "replacement level", meet our starting rotation. -- SMH)

Lance Cormier was AWESOME in spring training.  Then he hurt himself.  Then Kyle Davies, who kind of sucked in spring, was called up to face the vaunted Mets lineup.  Which he dominated like the whiz-monkees that they are.  Neither of these guys is an ace.  Neither of these guys is Jorge Sosa.  Both are better than Horacio Ramirez.  Everybody wins!  Except the Mets, who have Jorge Sosa, or the Mariners, who have Horacio Ramirez. -- SMH

Relief:

Apparently, it's very disheartening to lose games every time one of your relief pitchers makes an appearance.

In 2006, Jorge Sosa sucked so bad as a starter they made him the closer.  That's how bad Chris Reitsma was.  In 2006, Chad Paranto was given a shot at closing.  In 2007 Chad Paranto will occasionally close THE SIXTH in preparation for the professional relief pitchers to come in and pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth. 

Mike Gonzalez, acquired for the aforementioned puked-out remains of Adam LaRoche (along with the shortstop of the future) is the lefty.  Rafeal Soriano, heretofore referred to by his Klingon warrior name "Kcrechnor" is the righty.  Those guys will be used in the seventh and eighth innings according to line-up handedness.  Bob Wickman, who was unhittable in his short time in Atlanta last year, is the closer.

Paranto is the first "other guy" out of the pen when Mark Redman starts.  McCay McBride, who has far too many capital letters in his name and is the non-Gonzo lefty, Oscar "The Vulture" Villereal and Tyler Yates round out the "why are we in the pen this early" section of the relief corps.  Villereal is the early call should Redman implode by the fourth.  Or third.  Yates is a situational bridge from starter to set up much like Chad Paranto.

Now is the appropriate time to remind everyone that John Schuerholz turned Horacio Ramirez into Rafeal Freakin' Soriano straight up, one for one.  That's just stupid.  The man's a genius.  Klingon Warrior has completely dominated in the early goings of '07.  Mike Gonzalez, the other stud reliever picked up (for an actual valuable commodity) has struggled in his first few outings but looked better the last couple of games.  He attributes his initial problems to nerves, claiming to have "never pitched in a game that mattered."  That tells you pretty much all you need to know about Pirate baseball, huh?

*UPDATE:*  Gonzalez' struggles continue through the second week of the season leading many to speculate that he is hurt.  This speculation is not idle because he's Mike Gonzalez and hurt is pretty much his default status when he's not retiring a thousand batters in a row.  This is a cause for consternation in Braves nation.

McBride struggle mightily with his control and was demoted around the 10 game mark.  At the same time Chad Paranto pulled a groin and went to the DL.  McBride is replaced by Steve Colyer, a 28 year old journeyman lefty who is effective if he can find the zone.  Big guy.  Throws hard.  Will be used when Cox wants a pivotal strikeout or has mop-up work.  Paronto's slot is filled by Peter Moylan, another 28 year old journeyman who throws righty.  Early returns suggests Cox has Moylan pegged as his "need a double play to get out of it" guy.  Braves fans shouldn't want to see either Colyer or Moylan facing tough hitters in pivotal situations. -- SMH

Waiting in the wings:

Most of the interesting kids are up already with McCann and Freedom McFrydaddy heading the offense and Chucky H. James dropping the average age of the pitching staff below 35.  That being the case there are a few mentionalbes left in the minors (or on the DL.)

Mike Hampton broke his elbow again and will not pitch this season.

Willy Aybar is out until at least late April with a bum hand.  When he returns he'll replace Orr or Woodward.  He'll improve on either.

*UPDATE:*  Aybar has been suspended indefinitely by the team for what appears to be failing to show for rehab checkups.  Aybar, who was acquired along with Danys Baez last year (in exchange for Wilson Betemit) has seen his star fall steadily with the Braves seemingly since he first arrived.  At the time of the deal Aybar was touted as Betemit's heir-apparent as super-sub and possibly the club's full-time 2B of the future, yet by winter it was obvious the team had no plans to start him at any position.  While the Braves are known to give wayward players long ropes by which to hang themselves (<cough>J*hn R*ck*r</cough>) Aybar is quickly maneuvering himself out of the organization altogether.  Martin Prado or any of the SS prospects (see below) could take his spot at any time.

Yunel Escobar, Elvis Andrus and Brent Lillibridge all play shortstop and all are top-tier prospects.  None of them will forcibly move Renteria off of the position but either Escobar or Lillibridge could step in if Bugsy ever hurt himself.  Either of those guys would drastically improve the defense at short.  Renteria is Jeter-esque out there.

Van Pope and Eric Campbell are your primary prospects should Chipper get hurt before Aybar comes off of the DL.  Most likely we'd be subjected to Chris Woodward or Pete Orr starting, and that's just scary.

Jarrod Saltalamacchia probably needs to learn a new position.  Brian McCann is real damn good.

Matt Harrison is the name du jour in the starter's prospect pool.  Scouts like him and refer to him as the next Tom Glavine.  He reminds me of the last "next Tom Glavine", Horacio Ramirez.

Joey Devine still lives but his path to closing in Atlanta has signficantly more speedbumps now -- namely Mike Gonzalez and Kcrechnor. -- SMH

Management:

The best in baseball.  Bobby Cox intimated in spring training that he might hang them up in a couple or three years.  The Braves' loss is Cooperstown's gain.  All signs point to hitting coach Terry Pendleton being groomed to take his spot now that St. Leo has left us. 

John Schuerholz continues to amaze.  Horacio Ramirez for Rafael Soriano.  Need I say more?  It's one more year before the team clears all of the contracts inked back in the "yeah, we'll spend money for talent" days, before Time Warner ate the sun.  Schuerholz is quietly but competently managing his rosters and budgets into a competitive stance that accounts for the post TW/Liberty Media "we would rather spend the money on booze and whores" upper management philosophy.  -- SMH

Conclusion:

Braves good.  Win division.  Eat banana.

Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 23, 2007 at 09:52 PM | 82 comment(s)
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   1. LatNam is busy defending freedom. Posted: April 24, 2007 at 12:22 AM (#2343861)
I laughed, I cried, I'd read it again. 5/5. "A review writing triumph!"
   2. joshtothemaxx Posted: April 24, 2007 at 12:37 AM (#2343869)
####### fantastic.
   3. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 12:54 AM (#2343873)
I don't understand the hate that Horacio Ramirez gets from Brave fans. He was a perfectly decent back of the rotation starter for the Braves in 2005-2006 and gave the Braves 500+ IP of 104 ERA+ pitching.

The Braves made a great trade to get Soriano for Ramirez but for a guy who was pretty good during his time in Atlandta, H-Ram seems to be pretty hated.
   4. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 24, 2007 at 01:02 AM (#2343881)
That was pretty funny! Am impressed someone else thought Soriano was a Klingon Warrior too. Maybe I am not that insane.
No mention of Wee Willie Harris in the preview? We might be seeing up in Atlanta sometime very soon :(

Of the 13 players on the offensive side of the ball on the roster, 7 are currently hitting close to the Mendoza line with no power!
   5. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 24, 2007 at 01:15 AM (#2343887)

The Braves made a great trade to get Soriano for Ramirez but for a guy who was pretty good during his time in Atlandta, H-Ram seems to be pretty hated.


Cpl of things, after his rookie year, he was always injury prone, which meant we had to suffer through starts by Travis Smith.
Secondly he looked like he was getting insanely lucky. He gave up more than a hit an inning, walked tons of batters, gave up tons of homers and never struck anyone out. His rookie year and 2005 were his best years, and thats with everything breaking right.
Even when he was shutting people out, you were never quite secure when he was on the mound.

He basically pitched like Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets last year.
   6. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 02:06 AM (#2343909)
I guess I can see why there's some hate for Ramirez considering his style. Still, Ramirez gave the Braves 500 solid innings over 4 years, and then was flipped for a very good reliever. It's not like Horacio hurt the franchise like Ortiz did the D-backs.
   7. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: April 24, 2007 at 06:33 AM (#2343952)
Best "Looking Forward to in 2007" so far IMO. FANTASTIC piece of writing. It's so good that the people not inside could get the inside jokes.
   8. Colin Posted: April 24, 2007 at 09:43 AM (#2344017)
The thing that was problematic about Horacio , to my mind, is that he was often just painful to watch. He'd pitch pretty well overall, but often could be wild, spent lots of time nibbling, racked up high pitch counts in short, slow outings (leading to overwork on an already crappy bullpen). He could bust out the occasional gem from time to time, but more often it was just mediocrity defined. Plus, there were injuries.

In the end, my inner stathead could appreciate that he was, relative to league, simply average, but as a fan he was just excruciating to watch. He didn't annoy me in the way Bret Boone annoyed me, but i wasn't terribly interested in watching Horacio's starts.
   9. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 09:50 AM (#2344023)
Braves' rotation (terrible) is going plus injuries in the bullpen is going to keep the team under .500 again this year. Eat a peach. Mark it down.
   10. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 24, 2007 at 09:55 AM (#2344028)
Ramirez gave the Braves 500 solid innings over 4 years,

500 innings over 4 years is only 125 innings a year. For a starter, that's a ridiculously low number. You can't be relying on a pitcher who does that.
   11. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 09:58 AM (#2344030)
As has been pointed out the problem with Ramirez was 1) the mediocrity, 2) the injuries and 3) the mediocrity. Or to put it another way, HoRam (which still sounds dirty) would have been a fine fourth starter, eating innnings when he was healthy and posting a league average line when it all washed out. But HoRam was _not a fourth starter._ He was the #3 guy, with some combination of Jorge Sosa or Roman Colon clocking in behind him, and as a #3 guy HoRam was unacceptable. Add in the fact that he always had a cheering section too large for his talent (based on the DIPS-flukish, low-ERA season he had as a rookie) and, as has been mentioned, that the aesthetics of his pitching made him unwatchable and you have HoRam, step-son of Satan.

The Braves' rotation is better than the Mets' rotation.
   12. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:02 AM (#2344036)
"The Braves' rotation is better than the Mets' rotation."

The Mets lead the league in ERA. The Braves lead the league in counting on injured scrubs to win the devision. But I'm sure Hudson has his old stuff back. LOL. Enjoy your 2005 pennant.
   13. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:38 AM (#2344069)
The Mets lead the league in ERA. The Braves lead the league in counting on injured scrubs to win the devision.

Oh no Mr. Bill! The Braves have scrubs in their search for the Devision crown! What shall we ever do?! If only we could pick up Oliver Perez off of the trash heap or something! Maybe Dave Williams could save us....
   14. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:41 AM (#2344071)
Don't worry, you have Kyle Davies and Mike Hampton and Mark Redman and John "Fallen Off the Cliff" Smoltz!!! That's about 4 Dave Williamses right there, so you're all set.

You know the difference between these guys and the Mets' staff? The Mets lead the league in ERA and the Braves' staff sucks, that's what.
   15. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:45 AM (#2344076)
Hutch, don't feed the troll.

If Mr. 2 Balls isn't Rob Base, he's done a fine job of appropriating his irrational fanboyism.
   16. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:48 AM (#2344079)
Yeah, totally irrational to point out that the Braves have a bad pitching staff.
   17. flournoy Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:54 AM (#2344085)
The Braves lead the league in counting on injured scrubs to win the devision.


For example? Lance Cormier, sure, if you count a fifth/sixth starter as that important. Or maybe you meant a fringe reliever like Chad Paronto or Blaine Boyer?
   18. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:55 AM (#2344086)
Is he a troll? Okay, no more with the talking to him then.
   19. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 10:59 AM (#2344089)
Right, only a troll would come onto a division rival's thread and tell them their pitching stinks. See you on the next Mets thread, Sam.
   20. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 11:00 AM (#2344091)
"For example? Lance Cormier, sure, if you count a fifth/sixth starter as that important. Or maybe you meant a fringe reliever like Chad Paronto or Blaine Boyer?"

Hutch here thinks Mike Hampton is going to win Cy Young this year.
   21. Sam M. Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:12 PM (#2344286)
OK, let's say he's a troll. I'm not. I'd rather have the Braves' top two (Smoltz and Hudson), by a considerable margin over Glavine and El Duque, but I'd rather have the Mets' bottom three (Maine/Perez/Pelfrey) by at least as big a margin over the Braves (James/Redman/Davies). In fact, it is precisely the difference in starting pitching depth that makes me reasonably confident the Mets should outlast the Braves over the course of the season.

I am much less confident that the Mets, as currently constituted, would beat the Braves in the post-season -- precisely because of the top-of-the-rotation advantage I believe the Braves enjoy. Unless either Maine or Perez -- who both have the potential to be dominant but haven't established consistency by a long way yet -- step forward, or Pedro comes back in a surprising way, I would not be at all surprised to see the Braves have the edge if the pitching sets up their way should the teams meet in the NLCS. But that's a long way off . . .
   22. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:24 PM (#2344307)
I wouldn't take Maine or Perez over Chuck James and I'd be hard pressed to exchange James for Pelfrey even with his upside.
   23. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:32 PM (#2344320)
That makes sense. When you're a lock to get those 200 innings of league average ball from Mike Hampton, you can afford to gamble on Chuck James's upside.
   24. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:38 PM (#2344327)
Look, I have my very own troll apparently. How cute. Does it do any other tricks?
   25. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:41 PM (#2344331)
I see Maine and James as a wash. Maybe a slight edge to Maine; I like his arm. There are questions about both.

I don't really see much of a difference between Perez/Pelfrey and Redman/Davies. I guess I don't get all the "Perez could be dominant" talk. Take away the 3 quality starts he's had against ATL and his numbers as a Met are really quite atrocious.
   26. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:43 PM (#2344335)
I had it on good authority that the site's administrators have zero tolerance for personal attacks. I guess they have some tolerance for it.
   27. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:43 PM (#2344337)
You're sloppy seconds, Sam. He's been off humping baseball chick's leg for the past few days.
   28. Sam M. Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:49 PM (#2344348)
I wouldn't take Maine or Perez over Chuck James and I'd be hard pressed to exchange James for Pelfrey even with his upside.

I like Chuck James just fine, too. We can agree to disagree on where he rates relative to Maine and/or Perez, but we don't fundamentally disagree on his quality. But what of Davies and Redman? In a long season, they are the Braves' problem. Not in the post-season, obviously, but I find it very difficult to believe the Braves can keep pace with the Mets over the long haul with those guys starting 35% of the games. I don't think the Mets have even one really, truly weak link in the rotation; the Braves have two.
   29. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:54 PM (#2344355)
We were talking about this in a game chatter over the weekend; Maine and James are almost mirror images of each other. Both pitched well in the minors and stuggled in their first taste of the big leagues. Both are about the same age. Both had great 2005 seasons with good K/9 and k/bb ratios, really low BABIP, and extremely high hr/9.
   30. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 03:55 PM (#2344356)
Perez isn't a weak link, Sam? Just.. wow.

And how is Pelfrey so much better than Davies?
   31. JPWF13 Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:00 PM (#2344365)
I see Maine and James as a wash. Maybe a slight edge to Maine; I like his arm. There are questions about both.


Very similar minor league numbers- slight edge to James there- but watching both? 2007? Maine has better stuff

In fact I was talking with someone who saw Maine pitch in the Orioles system, he's got better raw stuff now at age 26 than he did 3 years ago at age 23. That happens sometimes, it's not usual and you can't count on it, but... (jeez are the Orioles a bunch of dumbasses, who on earth would hire Jim Duquette in a baseball position...)
   32. dlf Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:06 PM (#2344371)
OK, let's say he's a troll. I'm not.

Agreed. Whether law school prof is higher or lower on the scale than is troll is a different question though.

I'd rather have the Braves' top two (Smoltz and Hudson), by a considerable margin over Glavine and El Duque ...

Generally, I agree. I am, however, concerned that Cox may believe Smoltz is still a 110-125 pitch per game pitcher. Smoltz still hates being taken out of games. But with his age and multiple injuries, I don't think he has the stamina that he thinks he does.

but I'd rather have the Mets' bottom three (Maine/Perez/Pelfrey) by at least as big a margin over the Braves (James/Redman/Davies). In fact, it is precisely the difference in starting pitching depth that makes me reasonably confident the Mets should outlast the Braves over the course of the season.


I'm not sure that there is a dime's worth of difference between Maine and James, but my nickle is on James.

I do think that as the rosters are currently structured, the Mets have an advantage in the 4-5 slots. Heck if Ollie Perez pitched exclusively against the Braves, he'd be Walter Johnson, Jr. And Pelfrey has a wonderful upside. I am hoping that Cormier is healthy enough to take over for Redman, who I see as nothing more than an innings eater. And I would like to see Villareal starting if Davis keeps struggling with control. That will, in my always humble opinion, narrow the edge.

... but I find it very difficult to believe the Braves can keep pace with the Mets over the long haul with those guys starting 35% of the games. I don't think the Mets have even one really, truly weak link in the rotation; the Braves have two.

I don't see the bottom two in the Braves rotation as "truly weak" but rather just garden variety 4th / 5th starters who'll match up acceptably well compared to the league.

What I am thrilled to see is that after less than a month, we've gone from a seaming consensus that the Mets will win in a cake-walk with only the Phillies to give marginal competition to at least a meaningful discussion about whether the Braves are their equal or better.
   33. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:07 PM (#2344373)
Ollie Perez's ERA in 10 career starts as a Met is a balmy 5.43. The only quality starts (3) he's had have come against the Braves.

_That's_ not a weak link?
   34. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:11 PM (#2344378)
What I am thrilled to see is that after less than a month, we've gone from a seaming consensus that the Mets will win in a cake-walk with only the Phillies to give marginal competition to at least a meaningful discussion about whether the Braves are their equal or better.

That was never the consensus here amongst Met fans and nor do I think it was amongst popular media. The Mets, Phillies, and Braves were all considered strong contenders for the division title.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Mets were stonger favorites to win the 2006 division title than they are in 2007.
   35. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:12 PM (#2344380)
Perez isn't a weak link, Sam? Just.. wow.

What COTC said, Sam. There are two lists below. The first is Oliver Perez' ERA+ since 2002. The second is Mark Redman's ERA+ over the same time period. Are you _sure_ you want to continue down this path?

2002 109
2003 73
2004 139
2005 73
2006 68

2002 100
2003 112
2004 99
2005 87
2006 85
   36. Sam M. Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:17 PM (#2344387)
Perez isn't a weak link, Sam? Just.. wow.

Well, this is really the Braves' preview. Do we really want to turn it into another extended discussion of the many (and widely differing) opinions people have on whether Ollie Perez is going to be better for the Mets this year? Nah.
   37. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:22 PM (#2344392)
Come on, let's be reasonable about Perez. Sure, he has a bad ERA with the Mets. But he also has the following numbers:

9.85 k/9, 2.42 K/BB, 1.36 HR/9.

That's a drastic improvement on what he did for the Pirates and he's pitching better now than when he first came up with the Mets. His stuff is better, the peripherals are better, and the results are starting to get better.

Perez has incredible talent. If you honestly think Redman is going to be as good as Perez in 2007, I don't even know what to say.

The fact that his best starts have come against Atlanta is a positive considering the strength of thier lineup.
   38. Sam M. Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:31 PM (#2344402)
Whether law school prof is higher or lower on the scale than is troll is a different question though.

Ouch. I know when I'm not wanted! I've got an exam to write anyway . . . Harrumph.

(Skulks off, stage right, feelings hurt.)
   39. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:35 PM (#2344409)
If you honestly think Redman is going to be as good as Perez in 2007, I don't even know what to say.

Neither one has shown a propensity for being very good, spiffy periphs or not.
   40. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:39 PM (#2344413)
I can see this is going to be an even more disappointing year than last year for Braves fans.
   41. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:45 PM (#2344428)
The fact that his best starts have come against Atlanta is a positive considering the strength of thier lineup.

It could just be one of those matchup things. I'm not smart enough or motivated enough to try to figure that out, though.
   42. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:45 PM (#2344431)
Well, this is really the Braves' preview. Do we really want to turn it into another extended discussion of the many (and widely differing) opinions people have on whether Ollie Perez is going to be better for the Mets this year? Nah.

Agreed. Suffice it to say, when he returns from the DL Lance Cormier will out pitch him.

s/
   43. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:48 PM (#2344435)
Isn't that irrelevant? I don't think the Braves have significant edge over the Mets in the rotation, Hudson's dream start notwithstanding. Even if they have a slight edge, the Mets have a huge edge on offence, which the Braves have to , have , have to bridge.
And I don't think we are gettingg that advantage back in the bullpen. We just have to hope that Cormier starts channelling some Wright v.2004
   44. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:53 PM (#2344439)
"Agreed. Suffice it to say, when he returns from the DL Lance Cormier will out pitch him."


Just like Mike Hampton.
   45. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:53 PM (#2344441)
Even if they have a slight edge, the Mets have a huge edge on offence

If Thorman/Wilson/Langerhans/Diaz continue to hit like AAA shortstops, yes. If they put up reasonable numbers the Mets' offensive advantage isn't that big. The Braves must get league average offense from 1B and LF though.
   46. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:56 PM (#2344449)
Cormier pitched well in 5 September starts last year (3.25 ERA) and was the best pitcher on the staff this spring. I think it's a safe bet that he will improve on Redman and certainly Davies (who needs to spend some time with Guy Hansen in Richmond to find some semblance of command).
   47. dlf Posted: April 24, 2007 at 04:58 PM (#2344452)
Well since I've got to spend a bit of time analyzing the now outdated 2000 National Agreement between the SSA and AFGE as it pertains to the intersection between a temporary promotion and a detail, I think I need to skulk off too. Before going though, I did want to say that I've always enjoyed the reasoned and reasonable discussions here between Braves fans like Colin, LatNam, Black Swan, Mike A., JLeeds, etc. and Mets fans like Sam M., Russlan and plenty of others. I wish we could always keep the level of discourse that high.
   48. Kyle S Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:07 PM (#2344474)
Let's just all agree that Ollie Perez is the second coming and move on, shall we?

Sheesh. The Braves preview thread was hijacked by Mets fans. What a surprise!
   49. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:10 PM (#2344479)
I suppose we could go try to hijack their preview. But who wants to hijack a Dial article?
   50. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:16 PM (#2344492)
The Braves' rotation is better than the Mets' rotation.

Sorry if you think the thread got hijacked but that statement was written by a Brave fan before anyone else had said anything about the Mets. People are going to respond to statements like that.
   51. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:20 PM (#2344499)
Just like Mike Hampton.

If Hampton hadn't popped a ligament in his elbow as he rehabbed his pulled oblique he would have easily bested Perez, Maine or Pelfrey. He would have bettered Hernandez too. That he popped a ligament while rehabbing doesn't change that.
   52. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:26 PM (#2344514)
A Braves preview by definition involves "how they stack up against the competition", no? And now I'm wondering if I'm included in that DLF's "etc" or if I'm part of the low-brow. Either case makes sense.
   53. greenback06 Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2344535)
I suppose we could go try to hijack their preview. But who wants to hijack a Dial article?


Cardinals fans who like reading "So F. Taguchi" in a positive (for Cardinals fans) context?
   54. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:38 PM (#2344539)
"If Hampton hadn't popped a ligament in his elbow as he rehabbed his pulled oblique he would have easily bested Perez, Maine or Pelfrey. He would have bettered Hernandez too. That he popped a l
ligament while rehabbing doesn't change that."

Sure he would have. In this parallel universe, Mike Hampton is healthy and dominant, and the Braves ride to the division championship on his broad shoulders.

"or if I'm part of the low-brow"

You're a troll for sure.
   55. dlf Posted: April 24, 2007 at 05:45 PM (#2344548)
Well Sam, while I'm sure that your position on Hampton is reasoned, I'm not sure that it's reasonable, but I certainly meant to include you in the et cetera -- your posts are often informative and at least usually as respectable as are, for example, Professor Marcosson's.

This time I mean it ... got to get back to billing my clients.
   56. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2344595)
I think 2BoC is all wadded up about a comment I made in passing to the effect that Mike Hampton would be better than any non-Glavine starter the Mets had prior to Pedro's return. This was after Hampton was DL'd in ST with the oblique thing but before he had popped the ligament in his return. My reasoning was pretty simple: Tommy John surgeries are very successful these day -- routine even -- and there was no reason to assume that Hampton wouldn't post 175-200 innings of just-better-than-average ball. I stand by that assessment, even though Hampton weirdly hurt his elbow in a more different way and is out for the year.
   57. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 24, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2344611)
And this I wonder but never posted. Where in Midtown can you hear the creak of trains? All I hear is drunken shrieks
   58. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 24, 2007 at 06:44 PM (#2344626)
Westside, behind Atlantic Station and GA Tech, off of Howell Mill.
   59. Rorschach Posted: April 24, 2007 at 07:11 PM (#2344642)
I see the Braves and Mets as very similar teams this year. They both have very good offenses, the Mets is better though. They both have weak rotations, the Braves is better at the top and the Mets is deeper. I don't think anybody here will want to argue that Redman/Davies are better than the Mets 4/5. That's a genuinely bad 4/5 for the Braves, though I still fool myself into thinking that Davies has some upside and I strongly doubt Redman will be in the rotation for too long. The Braves probably have a better bullpen, at least if Mike Gonzales gets it together. All in all, the Braves hopes this season probably rest on Hudson and Smoltz for the pitching and Chipper, McCann, and Kelly for the hitting. Not a very comfortable position to be in.
   60. Rorschach Posted: April 24, 2007 at 07:14 PM (#2344643)
And for what it's worth, the Braves scored more runs than the Mets last year and had the best OPS+ in the NL. Other than 1B there's no reason to think that any of the positions will suffer a substantial decline this year, and some improvements from the young players should bring the Braves to around the same level of offense as last year.
   61. Mike A Posted: April 24, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2344644)
I'm supposed to keep a high level of discourse now? I can't say 'Mets suck, Braves rule!?" Aw, man.

Hey, the way I look at it, Met fans wouldn't be here if the Braves weren't attracting their attention. Here's to a good, old-fashioned pennant race.

Nice preview, Sam...or is it...sam.
   62. king cranium maximus IV Posted: April 25, 2007 at 02:43 AM (#2345112)
now i know it's early, but

jeff francoeur
299/368/532

unlike that hot streak at the start of the year, jeff's recent good fortune appears to be well-rounded. jeff's gotten to where it's not awe-inspiring just to see him draw 4 balls (he's only 15 walks away from last year's total, and it's friggin april). he'll throw in some bad swings now and again, and then you look up and notice that he'd at least filled up the count anyway. and he's never lost the ability to mash.

gonna agree with sam h.'s position. the mets are more of a complete package than the braves and will likely win the division. however, i think the braves are strong enough at the top to best the mets in a 7-game series. the recent series victories over NY have given backbone to this theory.

starting pitching HAS to get fixed, though.
   63. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: April 25, 2007 at 04:24 AM (#2345125)
jeff francoeur
299/368/532


I doubt that Francoeur is going to continue to put up numbers like those, but he really looks like a different player this year. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him put up a .330/.340 OBP the way he has looked so far. I can't believe that he is taking so many pitches.
   64. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 25, 2007 at 04:33 AM (#2345127)
Brian McCann is the new hitting instructor for the braves. He fixed KJ in spring. fixed Frenchy last year.
Now if Langerhans would go to him for advice...

If there is a problem on Earth, Brian McCann will solve it
   65. Quilvio is the man now, dog Posted: April 25, 2007 at 07:49 AM (#2345147)
Sam, is that near the Howell Station neighborhood?
   66. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 25, 2007 at 07:58 AM (#2345153)
If there is a problem on Earth, Brian McCann will solve it

Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it?
   67. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 25, 2007 at 08:54 AM (#2345176)
Yeah, I'm withing walking distance of Howell Station.
   68. CrosbyBird Posted: April 25, 2007 at 09:56 AM (#2345217)
Other than 1B there's no reason to think that any of the positions will suffer a substantial decline this year

Chipper had his strongest season since 2001, and he's 35 now. I don't know if I'd expect a "substantial" decline but I'd expect a dropoff.

Still, the point holds that the Braves were a very good offensive team in 2006 and they should be a very good offensive team in 2007. The difference between the 2006 Mets and 2006 Braves (15 runs in 162 games) was pretty negligible. The Mets are probably going to outscore the Braves by a small margin in 2007 mainly because they addressed their primary offensive weakness in LF and the Braves have less at 1B.

The teams are pretty close if Pedro doesn't come back as an effective pitcher. If Pedro pitches at 2004-2005 levels (he doesn't have to be pre-2004 Pedro), I think the Mets are just as good at the top of the rotation as the Braves.

This should be a nice dogfight all season.
   69. JPWF13 Posted: April 25, 2007 at 10:15 AM (#2345228)
My reasoning was pretty simple: Tommy John surgeries are very successful these day -- routine even -- and there was no reason to assume that Hampton wouldn't post 175-200 innings of just-better-than-average ball.


This one gave me a spit take- of course looking it up Hampton did just that in 2003-04, so I suppose it was well within the bounds of possiblility that Hampton would ahve poseted 175-200 ip of slightly better than average ball:

But: 1 Many players (perhaps a majority) come back from TJ surgery as good as before- but not all
2: Hampton's K rate was flatlining in the years 2002-05 lower even than Glavine, maintaining decent pitching year after year with a K rate below 5/9 is very rare

I'd much rather have Maine
I'd rather have Oliver Perez, even though he could be much much worse than mediocre, he could also be much much better, Hampton has -0- upside at this point
   70. Alex Perros Posted: April 25, 2007 at 10:20 AM (#2345230)
McCann apparently made a recent adjustment to Francoeur's left elbow that accounts for the recent hot streak.

Guess they keep TP around as a good luck charm. He does kinda resemble a dashboard buddha.

The Braves rotation is worrisome -- Redman is one more bad start away from being released and Davies has yet to prove he can pitch at the ML level. Hopefully, Cormier can develop into a solid fourth starter; if not, the Braves are going to wish they had rooked the Pirates out of Oliver Perez.

Couldn't believe that FG walked Langerhans last night -- Mike Hampton is a better hitter, at this very moment. I feel bad for the guy, but defensive replacement is all he is right now.
   71. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM (#2345321)
Couldn't believe that FG walked Langerhans last night -- Mike Hampton is a better hitter, at this very moment. I feel bad for the guy, but defensive replacement is all he is right now.

Alan and I were watching the game from Rio Grande in Buckhead (trivia night) and both of us had the same "WTF?" reaction. If it were earlier in the game, or if Wickman were already in and you were assured Bobby wouldn't PH for the pitcher then it makes some sense -- sure, Langerhans is sucking wind right now but even a struggling Langerhans is a better bet to get a hit than a non-Dontrelle/Hampton/Livian pitcher. But there was no chance whatsoever that Soriano was going to hit. Orr was already on deck and the situation was clearly one where you would PH for Sori and put your closer in the game. IBB'ing Langerhans makes no sense at all. Orr, for all of his lackings, is a better bet to get a hit right now than Langerhans. Hell, at this point I might start Orr in LF against RHP...

Speaking of Langs, we regret thinking of the following after the preview was published:

"The K rate of Dave Kingman. The power of Dave Roberts."
   72. Alex Perros Posted: April 25, 2007 at 12:48 PM (#2345378)
Roberts homered last night. Outslugged him in 2006.
   73. LatNam is busy defending freedom. Posted: April 25, 2007 at 12:50 PM (#2345380)
Before going though, I did want to say that I've always enjoyed the reasoned and reasonable discussions here between Braves fans like Colin, LatNam, Black Swan, Mike A., JLeeds, etc. and Mets fans like Sam M., Russlan and plenty of others. I wish we could always keep the level of discourse that high.


Hey, look. I was mentioned, and that was after I hadn't posted at all except to say I liked the review.

My philosophy of staying out of arguments has succeeded again! Aha!

That said, here's where I stand. I hate Redman. I didn't like the signing in the spring, and he's done nothing to make me change my mind. (obviously) I have some kinda of mental block around Davies as I always think he's better than he is, and I feel confident when he starts, despite him rarely giving me a reason to think that way. But objectively I think he's a fine #5 starter. (Similar to HoRam, except HoRam never gave me confidence. He's like the anti-HoRam, except still not good.) Additionally, I have no faith in Cormier. I know a lot of Braves fans have relatively high hopes for him, but I can't help but think he'll be just like Redman. Rationally he'll be better, so that'll be a nice surprise for me. Smoltz does seem to be tiring early in games, but he should be fine if he's not too overworked. Hudson's been great so far.

Langerhans sucks, and he won't be around much longer. Thorman should be ok, and I hope Wilson will be too. (I always liked Craig even before he came to the Braves. Maybe Bobby should let him grow his hair back out.)

McCann, Chipper, Andruw, & KJ are the real cogs in the lineup. (Even with Andruw's struggles.)

Renteria is adequate. Above average offensively, makes me weep on D. I always wonder if he could play LF.

Francoeur has been replaced by a McCannbot RF model. I have no idea if he can keep taking pitches like he has been. But so far this year he hasn't been as frustrating to watch as before. I really hope its a sign of a new Jeff.

The bullpen is so much better than last year's it blinds me.

I really don't know who has the better rotation between the Mets and Braves. Either way its still April, players can improve/collapse/get injured, and what either team has today likely won't be there the whole season. (Though I don't think either team will pull a Myers. -- I'm still a bitter Myers owner.)

Its going to be a fun season, and nothing* could ruin my enjoyment of it.

*Unless McCann gets run over at the plate and loses a leg/arm/eye/other body part that could impair his ability to be the best catcher in the NL.
   74. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2345390)
Its going to be a fun season, and nothing* could ruin my enjoyment of it.

Agreed. After the 70's and 80's, having a team that you know is going to contend is good enough for me. I love it when they do more, but I remember the old days, when we'd already be talking about our chances in 2008 - because 2007 was over for us.
   75. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 25, 2007 at 01:47 PM (#2345476)
I hate Redman...I have no faith in Cormier.

I have some faith in Cormier, but none in Kyle Davies so we're even at least insomuch as we both think "we'll survive with Davies/Cormier as a fifth starter but something must be done about the 4 hole." Options:


- Player ERA IP H R ER HR HB BB SO WHIP
from Richmond
- Kevin Barry 2.51 14.1 9 4 4 1 0 6 11 1.05
- Anthony Lerew 2.84 12.2 14 4 4 0 1 8 8 1.74
- Trey Hodges 1.54 11.2 9 2 2 0 0 7 7 1.37
from Mississippi
- Dan Smith 1.64 22.0 16 5 4 0 0 4 23 0.91
- Jo-Jo Reyes 1.69 21.1 11 5 4 2 1 11 17 1.03

The only one dominating their league is Dan Smith and he's dominating AA as a 24 year old so it's not terribly impressive.

Kevin Barry and Trey Hodges are 28 year olds in AAA. Neither one of them are prospects by any means but I'd give either a turn over Mark Redman right now. Lerew is still a prospect but he's allowing to many runners at AAA for me to put him into the rotation in Atlanta right now. I say free Kevin Barry.

Renteria is adequate. Above average offensively, makes me weep on D. I always wonder if he could play LF.

Renteria is parked at SS until his contract is up, so grin and bear it. Say a Hail Jeter about "offense makes up for defense" and call it a day. The problem is inserting some semblance of offense into LF and/or 1B. I trust Thorman and Diaz to come around but Craig Wilson has struggled for a year now and had old player skills early. If he's not mashing lefties he's not worth the roster spot. Willie Harris is destroying AAA pitching and can play LF I think. Bats lefty so he's the obvious replacement for Langerhans. Send Ryan down to Richmond and let him work out the kinks there. Carlos Mendez is hitting well enough as Richmond's 1B but he's 33 in AAA so it's probably not going to translate well. Billy McCarthy is bouncing back nicely from a rough season last year, hitting 306/390/528 as a RH hitting LF.

I would demote Langerhans immediately, replace him with Harris and give Craig Wilson another week or so before cutting bait and bringing up McCarthy (at which point Diaz would become Thorman's RH partner at 1B and Harris/McCarthy would play LF.)
   76. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: April 25, 2007 at 02:01 PM (#2345500)
Hutch, do you think Langerhans would clear waivers? (He's out of options.) I'm not entirely sure he would. A number of teams would probably pick him up as a defensive replacement, or figure he'll work things out.

I'm not sure if losing him would be much of a loss, but that is something to consider, and probably the reason that he's still on the major league roster.
   77. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: April 25, 2007 at 02:12 PM (#2345522)
I do believe Langerhans is out of options. I doubt he would make it through waivers, not that it really matters. I'd just as soon give Diaz a 2-3 week runout at the everyday job in LF, but I don't see that happening.

I'm optimistic about Cormier, moreso than others it appears. He seemed to really turn a corner late last year. At the very least he'll improve on Redman and Davies. At this point I'd rather see Villarreal start than either of those two. The problem there is the bullpen would be fried because he's only a 5 inning guy max. Maybe bring up Barry to be the long man.
   78. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 25, 2007 at 02:14 PM (#2345526)
I wasn't aware that Langerhans was out of options. That certainly complicates things. You really need a full-time LF who can relegate him to the 4th OF role in that case. I don't know that Matt Diaz is that player though I'd give him a shot. I'd also give McCarthy or Harris a look if Wilson continues to scrub.

It's also probably useful to point out that Ryan Langerhans isn't really this bad. He's all kinds of screwed up, sure, but he's not an 056/190/056 player in reality. NO ONE is an 056/190/056 player in real life. NO ONE posts a -30 OPS+. In reality Langerhans is something akin to a 250/350/400 player, which isn't enough to validate a spot as a starting left fielder but is enough to hold a roster spot as a 4th OF. The fact that he's gone 1 for 36 to start the season as opposed to doing it in July when his accumulated stats to date would mask the horror a bit makes him seem a lot worse than he really is. NO ONE is this bad and Langerhans will inevitably come out of this funk. That doesn't mean he deserves to start in LF by any means but there's not a major leaguer on the planet who will hit 056 for the year.

If he's out of options you're sort of stuck with him on the roster because no, he will not clear waivers.
   79. Sam Hutcheson Posted: April 25, 2007 at 02:39 PM (#2345560)
I'm optimistic about Cormier, moreso than others it appears. He seemed to really turn a corner late last year. At the very least he'll improve on Redman and Davies.

I too am optimistic about Cormier. He started vulturing starts late June 2006 -- the month that destroyed Atlanta last year. Sosa, Thompson and Ramirez had all flamed out more or less and Bobby was looking for starters anywhere he could find them. Cormier made two emergency starts that month -- June 17 and June 24. He went 4 innings in the first and 6 in the second, losing both but making a game of it. He didn't start again until Aug 15 when he went 5 against Washington and lost 0-5. Only three of those 5 were earned. Aug 20 he started again, giving up 3 earned in 6 innings for no decision (the bullpen lost the game.) He appeared as a reliever for the final time seven days later and then finish the season as a starter. His last five games:

Date Opp IP H R ER BB SO HR

3-Sep @PHI 7 3 1 1 3 4 0
10-Sep CHC 7 8 1 1 0 10 1
15-Sep FLA 2 6 6 4 2 0 1
20-Sep @WSN 6.1 6 2 2 4 5 1
30-Sep HOU 5.1 8 2 2 2 1 2

He struggled against Florida but otherwise held his own. That combined with his dominance in ST suggests to me that he's a capable 4th/5th starter.

Sean Foreman is a god.
   80. king cranium maximus IV Posted: April 25, 2007 at 03:47 PM (#2345629)
thankfully no one called me on my francoeur mistake, i meant to refer to the hot streak to start his career, not this season.
   81. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: April 25, 2007 at 03:48 PM (#2345634)
I think banking on Cormier to save the rotation is a bit unrealistic. 150-180 ip of 95 ERA+ would be a good performance for him.
The key is Davies and to a lesser extent James. Though he has been lost in the shuffle, James has gotten off to a pretty underwhelming start. Davies just has to get off the schneid. His minor league #s are terrific. He had decent command all the way up, and now this. I think a visit to a psychologist more than a pitching instructor might be in order.

So the last wave of Braves pitching prospects,
Capellan, Stevens, Davies, James, Atiliano and Meyer. 6 golden boys, maybe 1 success?
Remember the time when the Hudson deal almost fell through because ewe wouldn't part with Giles or Davies. Good times
   82. erghammer Posted: April 27, 2007 at 11:43 PM (#2348122)
Thanks, Sam. This is my absolute favorite preview in a year with many good ones. Oh, how old is Brian McCann?
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