Looking Forward to 2007 - Oakland A’s
Or, Mendacious Meditations on Moneyball
Don Malcolm
Special to BTF
CARDS ON THE TABLE
By all means, let’s go ahead and call it mendacious.
For this how it will be viewed—if for no other reason than the fact that the language employed will be, er, strong.
And because, as is so often the case when yours truly is involved, a team preview is being hijacked for another purpose.
THE SEVEN-YEAR ITCH
And here you thought all I had was film noir on the brain. (Actually, I’m still red-blooded enough of a male to recognize—and semi-cerebral enough to admit—that Marilyn Monroe is not something that I contemplate with my brain. And, yes, that’s “something,” not “someone.” Icons are icons.)
And for many of you, the Oakland A’s and Billy Beane are icons—in a way that is strangely similar to the phenomenon afflicting young men when they are shown images of exceptionally attractive, scantily-clad (or, in these Renaissance days of internet porn, totally unclad and “in the thrall of it all”) young women.
The A’s became the “porn stars” of baseball, neo-sabermetric division, largely through the efforts of Michael Lewis. His send-up of the A’s in Moneyball created as many myths as it purported to destroy, and created a folk anti-hero out of GM Beane, all wrapped up in a cheeky narrative that glossed over as many facts as it revealed in its relentless drive to codify a series of transient insights into timeless precepts.
What mostly emerged from Moneyball, however, was a second wave of vitriol between two highly entrenched camps within the world of baseball, which (as is usually the case) produced far more heat than light. Lewis did a fine job of articulating the precepts behind each camp (though he failed to see that their belief systems possess similar problems despite their seemingly diametric opposition).
It’s now going on five years since the 2002 season, which proved to be the high-water mark for the A’s and for the neo-sabermetric movement. It’s been seven years since the A’s marched into the playoff picture, in apparent defiance of a dire trend in the baseball history: the monolith of money. (That this trend was exaggerated and distorted by both its proponents and its critics is something that Lewis glossed over in his zeal to tell his tale with maximum panache,)
In 2002, of course, there was still much ado about the money monolith (personified by the New York Yankees, rechristened by Red Sox team president Larry Lucchino as “the evil empire” even as that team lusted to emulate them). Even though the Bronx Bombers had finally lost another World Series (an event with more symbolic power than a more reasoned evaluation of performance, and one fixated upon by all sides of the debate), they were clearly getting to the Fall Classic too often for “the good of the game.”
This monolith also cast a shadow over the secretive, intense, and spine-tingling labor negotiations that would affect how the economics of the game would operate over the next decade. Adjustments were being made to reign in the monolith and recreate a more fluid environment that mimicked the results in the 80s (the mythical “golden age of free agency,” where the monolith did not prevail so often).
The monolith has not really faded in the intervening years (a .614 WPCT in 2002-06 as opposed to .596 from 1994-2001), but they’ve been stopped at the Pyrenees (so to speak) enough times to make the rest of the continent breathe a bit more easily. The A’s were supposed to be the Great Exception That Proved The Rule, an anti-monolith that could still be a steamroller. In 2002, riding the crest of a talent acquisition as fecund as any in baseball history, they became rock’n’roll icons for the dispossessed, populist purveyors of mystical science and MBA soothsaying (Lewis’ genuflection to Wall Street and renegade economists is transparent throughout the book, hushed tones akin to an addled Sufi master who has mixed metaphors in order to flamboyantly conflate cause and effect).
Lewis is already on to the A’s Achilles’ heel (the “randomness” of the post-season) and shows us that Beane has already rationalized his failure to be monolithic. (Never mind that the post-season isn’t random at all; what it really does is raise the level of competition to a point where the A’s real talent—annihilating lesser competition---is no longer a factor.)
Lewis leaves off after 2002, with a series of rhapsodic sketches that are intended to seal the myth of Beane’s unconventional superiority. In his afterword added the following year, however, Lewis tries to cover for the fact that the A’s “sabermetric” credentials are not nearly so pure as he had described. In ’03, the A’s performance dichotomy in terms of GvB reaches its extreme (52-23, .692 vs. .499- teams; 44-43, .506 vs. .500+ teams) and they squander a two-games-to-none lead in the ALDS to the Red Sox.
After that, the A’s suddenly lose their trademark second-half surge, blowing a four-game lead in the final month of the 2004 season to finish out of the playoffs entirely. In ’05, the A’s survive a 7-20 May and some time in the AL West cellar, and fight all the way back to first place in late August before having another sub-par September, again winding up out of the money. By this time Beane has cashed in two of his three starting aces (Mark Mulder to the Cardinals, Tim Hudson to the Braves) and he is running his shell game in the starting rotation (a much riskier tactic than any of the unconventional maneuvers Lewis so effusively chronicles).
The key question that Lewis fails to address in Moneyball (preferring to tell a series of colorful tales that tie the book to a more familiar folkloric strain of baseball writing) is the issue of sustainability. Coming as it does at the crest of the A’s success, with only one major player from their talent boom (Jason Giambi) no longer part of the team, the book is ultimately an exercise in premature ejaculation.
Which is pretty much the history of neo-sabermetrics, when you get right down to it. Lewis buys into the neo-sabe myth that Bill James’ original precepts were roundly ignored until the “young blood” from the Internet generation pushed their way into front offices, but a look at the league stats indicate that baseball grasped more of James’ concepts than what the neo-sabes are willing to admit. The Jamesian concept of “isolated power” resonated throughout the nineties, with far-reahcing effects. One-run strategies such as the sacrifice bunt (subjected to exaggerated vilification by the Internet inquisitors, whose primary contribution to sabermetrics consists of taking an old Jamesian notion, repackaging it, and delivering it with the cocksure arrogance of youthful bravado) continued to diminish, indicating that the “other wing” of sabermetrics, represented by probabilistic wizard Pete Palmer, was not ignored either.
The rush to hire number-crunchers has not exactly produced a revolution in how the game is being played, though it has created an increasingly heated exchange between the young guns and the old guard that Lewis so gleefully skewers. There is little evidence of connections being made between statistical analysis and game-level decisions; in short, the barrier that existed in the application of sabermetric concepts to the game is still mostly intact a quarter-century after they first burst into the mainstream with the first mass-published Baseball Abstract.
Let’s turn back to one of the key claims in Moneyball, however. The A’s 2002 draft was a good one, producing solid position players in Nick Swisher and Mark Teahan, and a serviceable back-end rotation starter in Joe Blanton. (Unfortunately for Beane and the A’s, they let Teahan get away to the Kansas City Royals.) As has been noted by Aaron Gleeman and others, however, the A’s successful draft picks in ’02 were not the ones who were championed by Lewis as the great unorthodox selections: they were the ones that traditional scouting had identified as the likeliest to succeed. As of 2007, there is really no evidence that Beane or Paul DePodesta (now under wraps in San Diego by way of a high-profile nuclear experience in Los Angeles) have mastered a new talent evaluation paradigm. This is the biggest puff of smoke in Lewis’ pipedream, and it’s the reason why the A’s are just hanging on as contenders despite a consistent rise in payroll over the past four years.
Ultimately, Lewis’ book will be seen as the product of heady times, where an exuberant hubris was celebrated in the fever of short-term success. It will remain an historical curiosity and little more, as more comprehensive, less self-serving analyses of the “neo-sabe” moment will supplant it (and no, Alan Schwarz, your book is not that, either). As with his purported “fellow travelers” such as Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi (on a three-year spending spree in direct contradiction of Lewis’ characterization in Moneyball), Billy Beane will shortly evolve into a more mainstream GM as the A’s cash in on a new park and additional revenue. One wonders whether access to a greater budget, the mere idea of which caused Beane to back out of an agreement to be the Red Sox GM, will somehow untether him in an analogous way. If that should happen, it would create a poignant and ironic echo of Beane’s difficulties as a “can’t miss” prospect during his playing days (this is easily the best segment in Lewis’ book, and the only part that will be of any real interest in years to come).
So what about the seven-year itch, anyway? Well, sans a subway grate to lift up the skirts of a pornographic blonde, it’s a simple framing device. The rise of the A’s came with the advent of three pitchers (Hudson, Mulder, and Zito) who are now ghosts. There is no staircase hidden in Tom Ewell’s (Billy Beane’s) apartment that will bring the unseasonable object of desire right into his grasp. There is no other moment like that first indelible rush of ecstasy, when you know that you have destiny in your hands and you roll nothing but sevens. You think it will last forever, but it doesn’t.
And the blonde moves on.
THE A’s ON THE FIELD IN ’07
What the heck—you struggled through all that, so you deserve something akin to an actual season preview.
The A’s off-season moves were rather wan; perhaps Billy is saving himself for something more flamboyant when the situation calls for it during the season. Mike Piazza is plugged into the Frank Thomas slot (Billy rolled a seven with the Big Hurt and wants to do it again with Mike); Shannon Stewart has slugged under .400 for the past two years, and seems to have lost his earlier ability to excel against LHP (this looks like a very marginal move).
Manager Bob Geren will plug in the instructions from Beane and feature only a few everyday regulars (Jason Kendall at catcher, Mark Ellis at second, Bobby Crosby at short, Eric Chavez at third, Nick Swisher in either right field or at first base, and Piazza at DH). Outfielders Milton Bradley, Bobby Kielty and Mark Kotsay (when he returns from a back injury) will get rotated according to Beane’s ministrations: Bradley is historically prone to injury, so Stewart and rookie Travis Buck will likely see significant playing time.
The A’s haven’t scored 800 runs in a season since 2002 (though they’ve been eerily consistent at just under that figure for four years), but this could be the year where they take a more pronounced dive. Piazza will not have the galvanizing effect on the lineup that Thomas had, and it will take major rebounds from Chavez, Crosby, Dan Johnson, and an actual full season from Bradley to keep the team from dropping toward 700 runs.
And that’s worrisome, because the pitching is not going to take up much slack. While much of the neo-sabe contingent spent the off-season alternately bashing and painfully micro-analyzing Barry Zito (is it his fault that teams flush with money want to pay him more than he’s worth?), his 200+ IP will be very hard to replace for this year’s A’s. In our “mendacious” section above, there was a chart showing how the team’s starting pitcher ERA has been declining over the past three seasons. Last year, the A’s starting pitcher ERA hit 4.50, and it’ll be a stretch for it to be that good in ’07. The main hope for avoiding this scenario: Rich Harden.
The problem is that Rich hasn’t been able to stay healthy, and he has a tendency to get wild. He could still become an ace, but there are lingering concerns that he has too much stuff for his body size. If Rich doesn’t blossom, the A’s have little chance to avoid a serious decline: while Danny Haren is a solid mid-rotation type, he’s thrown a lot of pitches over the past two years and is a bit homer-prone. In other words, an ace he is not. Joe Blanton and Esteban Loaiza, on the other hand, aren’t even face cards (to be exact: six of diamonds, seven of clubs). Joe Kennedy is an interesting reclamation project, but can he successfully transition into the #2 starter? Er, how many times do you fill an inside straight?
The A’s bullpen features a fine closer in Huston Street, and a pair of useful setup men in Kiko Calero and Justin Duchscherer, but the rest of the crew is downright spotty. The A’s begin ’07 rather top-heavy in lefties, as they are carrying Rule V acquisition Jay Marshall, retread Alan Embree, and are taking a flier on Red Sox reject Lenny DiNardo. This aggregration (assuming that they all manage to stay employed) will struggle to match the A’s solid relief performances in the past two seasons.
Of course, the A’s still have their secret weapon stashed ninety miles away in Sacramento just in case. That’s right: the original “soft body” stud, the one, the only, the key to the lost universe, the mysterious extra joker in the deck, Moneyball’s Pillsbury doughboy: Jeremy Brown. Sometime in early June, with the A’s in a state of anemia, Billy Beane will reach out to his AAA farm club and bring up Brown---and, improbably, miraculously, a number-crunching annunciation will transpire, a surreal transubstantiation in the netherworld of deep, hidden correspondences. At long last, after years of derision, Jeremy will achieve sainthood, and while his reign will be brief, it will keep the A’s myth intact—and the circle will, against all odds, remain unbroken.
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And after all that, the A’s will go 83-79.
Don Malcolm
Posted: April 11, 2007 at 10:01 AM |
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the A’s real talent—annihilating lesser competition
Is this really remarkable? Do the A's have a bigger splits vs. over .500 and under than other contemporary good teams, like the Angels, Twins, Red Sox, and Yankees?
Any team that can play .539 vs just the .500 or better teams seems to be pretty good though.
While there is some variation to be found, teams generally win 25% more games against bad teams than they do against good teams. The exceptions to this rule are usually very good teams (those that win in excess of 100 games) and very bad teams (those that lose 100 games or more).
On that basis, a .506 team against good teams should have a .632 winning percentage against bad teams.
It's interesting to note that the Angels played 85 games against bad teams last year, while the A's only played 75 in 2002. It seems like the number of times you play bad teams could have just as much of an effect as variation around the 25% rule.
They learned how to beat the good teams by October though.
Using over and under .500 is good for a quick and dirty analysis, but that definition is going to cause huge variability in the number of times you play good and bad teams.
The Yankees play 19-20 games vs Toronto. How many times they play "good" or "bad" teams depends on whether the Jays finish 79-83 or 82-80.
Actually, this one's easier. Just start at "THE A’s ON THE FIELD IN ’07". Thanks, Don!
Well, here's what Don said in his Dodgers preview: "While there is some variation to be found, teams generally win 25% more games against bad teams than they do against good teams."
If you give the A's their .539 winning percentage against good teams for their 311 games against bad teams, they end up with 168 wins. If you add 25% to that total, they end up with 210 wins. So the A's won, uh, one more game than expected against bad teams?
See, this is really interesting Don, but you just leave it there. Details?
the monolith of money. (That this trend was exaggerated and distorted by both its proponents and its critics is something that Lewis glossed over in his zeal to tell his tale with maximum panache,)
There were vocal proponents of teams buying pennants every year? Really? Must not have made the papers up here. Probably got bumped for OHL coverage. Go Petes!
That said, Don continues his Saberhagen-like trend of alternating interesting previews with one-handed soliloquies. He is on pace to preview about half the team in baseball.
There is no causation here. If that's their extreme dichotomy, and the fact that they just beat up on bad teams can be used to explain why they lost to the Red Sox, then you'd think the even more extreme 2002 Angels (see post #5) would have had no chance against the Yankees, let alone Twins or Giants.
I kind of wish people would stop trying to come up with a novel reason why the A's lost whatever postseason series they lost. Two good teams meet each other in a series. Only 1 can leave a winner. It really is just as simple as that.
I forget if it was him or his partner in crime (who's name escapes me at the moment) who came up with the concept of iambic player development. THe concept's poster boy? Bret Saberfagen.
Also, not a single mention of Chad Gaudin? Really? Dude looks fantastic out of the rotation. (And his K/BB is reflecting his stuff better now as well (or, better yet, his AAA K/BB from last year). I know a lot of people look at that stat from last year and think, "Kirk Saarloos" but he wasn't Saarloosing out there. He's not just junking it in. It seems to me the dude just had an unlucky ratio, for whatever reason. I know, not very scientific, but it bothers me when people question Chad Gaudin. Chad Gaudin is a good pitcher. He is not Kirk Saarloos.)
"This aggregration (assuming that they all manage to stay employed) will struggle to match the A’s solid relief performances in the past two seasons."
Huh? The solid relief performances are Street, Calero, Duchscherer. If you want to go back to last year you can throw in Gaudin. You can replace him with Embree this year and you essentially have the same bullpen as last season, with Dinardo/Marshall/Witasick playing the role of Saarloos/Witasick/Flores/Halsey/Whatever. The backend guys aren't the ones logging the important innings and making the A's bullpen as strong as it is. If you want to go back to 2005, it's still Street/Calero/Duke. The bullpen this year will do what it's been doing for two straight years now.
I meant Saberhagen, obviously. The partner in crime is Brock Hanke. Other BBBAisms that I haven't seen in a while: Q-max. Ashley's Hexagon, wafering a pitcher, et cetera.
Being Brock Hanke, I thought I should chime in. First off, yes, I am guilty of the term and concept "iambic development." However, it was not supposed to apply to pitchers (like Saberhagen), unless I made that mistake in my very first year with the concept. Pitcher careers aren't reliable enough for iambic analysis. It's intended to be about postion players, and essentially amounts to taking the concept of Sophomore Slump and applying it to pretty much all the years before age 28. The idea is that, if a hitter hits well as a rookie of, say, age 23, then he is likely to have a Sophomore Slump at age 24, come a bit back up at 25, down again in 26, and up again at 27. Not all players do this, but a large percentage of them do, and it is helpful for prediction.
In particular, if a player is on an "odd numbered iambic pattern" like my example above, he is likely to have his career peak at age 27. But if his rookie year is age 22, he goes on an even-numbered pattern (the up years would be ages 22, 24, 26, and 28) and should have his peak year at either age 26 or 28. 27 will be a down year for him.
I ought to clear something else up here. Don and I have published books together and have been goood friends since the 1970s. But we don't actually do sabermetrics together. I had nothing to do with Qmax and Don had nothing to do with iambic development. When we get something going, we'll ask the other one to look at it, but in general, we're never working on the same project. It is very dangerous to asume that one of us can answer for the other's idea. I may well know absolutely nothing about a concept of Don's, or even disagree with it. We are the exact opposite of a monolith here. For example, I never use the term neo-sabermetrics unless I'm referring to Don's work. I had nothing to do with the development of the concept.
One more thing: my personal review of Moneyball was to say "The book adds exactly one idea to the concept of player evaluation. That concept is that there are not just the standard scouts' five player "tools", but six. The sixth is the ability to take walks, and Paul Podesta claims it is a tool, rather than something you can teach. I agree with him, but that hardly justifies a book. The rest of the book just tells the story of how the Oakland As responded to the odd situation of having seven first-round draft picks without the money to sign all of them and no way to trade them until they had been paid their signing bonuses. We'll see how it works out." I am willing to say now that it did not work out, for the reason that the posters here have generally talked about. The only ones who came through were the ones the scouts had also chosen as first-rounders. Jeremy Brown was identified as a AAA player so soon that the As traded for - and paid - Jason Kendall rather than gamble on Brown behind the plate.
Being Brock Hanke, I thought I should chime in. First off, yes, I am guilty of the term and concept "iambic development." However, it was not supposed to apply to pitchers (like Saberhagen), unless I made that mistake in my very first year with the concept. Pitcher careers aren't reliable enough for iambic analysis. It's intended to be about postion players, and essentially amounts to taking the concept of Sophomore Slump and applying it to pretty much all the years before age 28. The idea is that, if a hitter hits well as a rookie of, say, age 23, then he is likely to have a Sophomore Slump at age 24, come a bit back up at 25, down again in 26, and up again at 27. Not all players do this, but a large percentage of them do, and it is helpful for prediction.
In particular, if a player is on an "odd numbered iambic pattern" like my example above, he is likely to have his career peak at age 27. But if his rookie year is age 22, he goes on an even-numbered pattern (the up years would be ages 22, 24, 26, and 28) and should have his peak year at either age 26 or 28. 27 will be a down year for him.
I ought to clear something else up here. Don and I have published books together and have been goood friends since the 1970s. But we don't actually do sabermetrics together. I had nothing to do with Qmax and Don had nothing to do with iambic development. When we get something going, we'll ask the other one to look at it, but in general, we're never working on the same project. It is very dangerous to asume that one of us can answer for the other's idea. I may well know absolutely nothing about a concept of Don's, or even disagree with it. We are the exact opposite of a monolith here. For example, I never use the term neo-sabermetrics unless I'm referring to Don's work. I had nothing to do with the development of the concept.
One more thing: my personal review of Moneyball was to say "The book adds exactly one idea to the concept of player evaluation. That concept is that there are not just the standard scouts' five player "tools", but six. The sixth is the ability to take walks, and Paul Podesta claims it is a tool, rather than something you can teach. I agree with him, but that hardly justifies a book. The rest of the book just tells the story of how the Oakland As responded to the odd situation of having seven first-round draft picks without the money to sign all of them and no way to trade them until they had been paid their signing bonuses. We'll see how it works out." I am willing to say now that it did not work out, for the reason that the posters here have generally talked about. The only ones who came through were the ones the scouts had also chosen as first-rounders. Jeremy Brown was identified as a AAA player so soon that the As traded for - and paid - Jason Kendall rather than gamble on Brown behind the plate.
This isn't really true. If we can use Baseball America as a proxy for "scouts," here are where the A's chose the successful of the 7 and where BA had them in their Top 250 Prospects for the 2002 draft:
16: Swisher (34th by BA)
24: Blanton (18th)
39: Teahen (134th)
So of the three most successful of the 7, BA had one as a first rounder, one as a sandwich pick, and one as a 5th rounder.
Brown was taken with the 35th pick--right in the middle of the 11 pick sandwich round. Of the 10 other sandwich picks, I'd say Brown has been better than all except Teahen, Dan Meyer, and (maybe) Greg Miller. At worst, he was a pretty typical pick for a his slot (though he signed for less than slot money--$350K and the first pick of the draft below $1M). BA didn't have Brown in their top 250 prospects, which means they saw him as being below 8th round talent. I'd say the A's came much closer on Brown than the scouts did. That's not to deny that the book overhyped a Brown as well as other things, of course.
As for being identified as a AAA player "so soon," I guess that's one way to characterize two and a half pro seasons and his 25th birthday having passed before the A's traded for Kendall.
Damn I miss Q-max.
I believe that term came from Malcolm's old blog..."Steely Don"
There was a pretty decent catcher taken in the second round of that draft.
First off, I like Gaudin and have been touting him as a breakout candidate since he was a Ray... At this point it has been so damn long that I've been touting him it doesn't make me early it makes me wrong. None the less, if you listen to Danny and his Beanbag friends Kirk Saarloos when he was with the A's was a good pitcher too.
But go on with your random schoolyard taunts, please.
I never laid eyes on a BBBA, but the bits I've gleaned from the old Web site which I used to look at religiously make me think it was far better written than the talk-radio cheap shots one finds in neo-sabermetric places. A better choice for revival than The Hitcher, methinks.
I think you're making more of the Swisher difference than is meaningful. The 16 spots between the BA ranking and the A's actual pick isn't really different, imo, than the 6 spot difference between the A's and BA on Blanton. Just because the Swisher ranking happens to fall into a different round doesn't amplify the minor discrepancy. The talent dropoff is pretty flat from the second half of the 1st rd into the sandwich round. To me Swisher at 16 and Blanton at 24 are essentially industry consensus picks.
Teahen is very much a different story. That was a very nice pick although that is largely based on his huge second half last year. His overall line of 264/333/439 (OPS+ of 99) isn't too impressive. Still have to wait and see how he settles in. Is he just a good value pick (ie a guy who outperforms very low expected slot returns) or is he a player who actually generates significant MLB value?
That doesn't make sense. That he has been similar to the other sandwich round picks who failed doesn't mean anything, it certainly doesn't elevate his meager accomplishments. Arguing that the A's were more right about Brown and his 10 AB career is really pointless. According to Lewis the A's believed that Brown was one of the 20 best players in the draft. The scouting consensus was that he was at best a journeyman with vitrually no chance at being a star. At #35, you can't draft a guy with virtually no chance to be a star and not much more of a chance to even be a regular. Just a completely pointless pick.
Btw, I've been doing a lot of research on scouts. The Sox took a bunch of kids from Georgia in the 2002 draft. Those players were scouted and signed by a scout named Rob English who came from the Braves. Because of that I was interested in the Braves Georgia signings from 2002. As it turns out the Braves had a ###### A draft just with kids from Georgia - Jeff Francoeur (23), Brian McCann (64) and Chuck James (20th rd).
FWIW, as of now it looks like McCann will be the best draft value from 2002. He may be the best player overall and he just signed a very fan friendly contract through his pre-FA service time.
McCann, of course, was on the board when the A's revolutionized amatuer talent evaluation with the selection of Jeremy Brown (and Swisher, Blanton, McCurdy, Fritz, Obenchain, and Teahen), but because he was a HS player the A's, at least according to Lewis, were completely uninterested.
McCann looked too good in jeans to be a real ball player.
Or DePodesta was too busy checking out Colamarino's chest on the computer screen to notice McCann.
Notables:
2. BJ Upton
4. Adam Loewen
6. Zack Greinke
7. Prince Fielder
9. Jeff Francis
11. Jeremy Hermida
12. Joe Saunders
13. Khalil Greene
14. Russ Adams
15. Scott Kazmir
16. Nick Swisher (As)
17. Cole Hamels
19. James Loney
23. Jeff Franceour
24. Joseph Blanton (As)
25. Matt Cain
26. John McCurdy (As)
30. Ben Fritz (As)
35. Jeremy Brown (As)
37. Steve Obenchain (As)
39. Mark Teahen (As)
44. Joey Votto
55. David Bush
57. Jon Lester
59. Jeremy Reed
60. Jonathan Broxton
64. Brian McCann
67. Steve Stanley (As)
68. Chris Snyder
74. Elijah Dukes
80. Curtis Granderson
98. Bill Murphy (As)
Here's what Rany found in his study: "what I found was that the best way to approximate the values in the chart above was to assume there was an inflection point around pick 38 or so. Up until that pick, the value of each pick dropped by about 4.5% from the preceding pick; after pick 38, the depreciation rate fell to about 1.2%." Did you find something different?
The book is still very much open on Teahen (and on Swisher and Blanton in terms of their 6 year value), but since most people--including you--seem comfortable judging the draft already we might as well look at his probable outlook. The projections (ZIPS, PECOTA) seem to see him as an ~.820 OPS player as a 25 year old, which is nice for a 3B and not as nice as a corner OF.
Do you say this because the scouting consensus was necessarily correct, or because Brown's career has proven them correct?
McCann, of course, was passed on by every team except the Yankees. And, just so I'm clear, is this a "Moneyball hyperbole and backlash" discussion, or an actual baseball one?
Yes, somewhere around 16/17 there was a noticable drop off in the likelihood of teams drafting good to very good players. Honestly I don't find the percentage change referenced there - 4.5 to 1.2 - all that meanginful considering the baseline is already so low. I think Rany got too tied up in his low baseline and the use of economic catch phrases like "depreciation rate".
Eh, I don't think I've judged so much as offered my opinion based on what we know.
I honestly don't see the distinction. The scouting consensus seemed reasonable to me at the time. The A's deviation from trying to find a potential very good player has always seemed wrong to me that high in the draft. If it had worked out differently - as to some extent Teahen has - I'd give them credit, but Brown - and the other extreme Moneyball pick Steve Stanley - really did live down to the scouting consensus and that's every bit a part of the story as Swisher/Blanton/Teahen.
Honestly, I always try to do both. Individual scouts is my new big thing and I just happen to have been looking into Georgia scouting in 2002. My two(?) favorite chapters in Moneyball had to do with the draft so I found it interesting to realize that McCann will probably end up as the best value pick in the draft. Sort of putting a name to the very peak of the draft as opposed to just a list of interesting guys like Levski did. McCann is the most interingest.
Anyway, here's something that could be done if anybody is interested in really going back to the 2002 draft and taking an educated, but premature look at the best picks. Take the best players to date - and many will be in Levski's list and/or should have made thier MLB debut by now - and use thier career stats to date plus their multiyear PECOTA UPSIDE scores to get a rough idea of who's who and whether the overall draft leant towards Lewis proclaimed undervalued college players or HS players. My guess is that the A's will score quite well with thier big 3, but the overall draft will lean towards HS players. Which is to say the A's did a good job (just like Lewis said) but not at all for the reasons that Lewis claimed.
I've been doing something similar to that for Silver's PECOTA prospect list just using his UPSIDE rankings. So far he's identified 26 "excellent" prospects and the breakdown is: HS 13, JC: 1, C: 8, Intl: 4. For "very good" prospects it's: 18 HS, 1 JC, 17 C, 9 Intl.
He also made UPSIDE lists for all under 25 talent and the breakdown is - excellent: HS 28, JC 4, C 12, Intl 10 and very good: HS 8, JC 0, C 2, Intl 3.
These players would mostly have been drafted or signed around the Moneyball draft time
and PECOTA seems to think that the best amatuer players of that era were HS picks.
Rany concluded is draft series by blowing Beane for zagging towards HS players in the HS pitcher draft of a couple years ago and being ahead of the curve (once again!) but it seems very likely when people study the overall distribution of draft talent in the early 2000s they'll find that the college heavy teams were actually bucking the curve (even if some of them individually did well).
Meanwhile, Jeremy Brown has done extraordinarily well compared to how the A's scouts saw him - what scout would have thought he would even see the big leagues? - but he hasn't kept his OBP up as he's risen through the system and doesn't look like more than a backup at best. A lot of the A's players seem like this - few would have thought they'd have the modest success they had, but none are Hall of Famers in disguise.
I imagine they were also pleased to see high schoolers such as Chris Gruler (#3 pick, $2.5 million signing bonus), Clint Everts (#5 pick, 2.5 million), and Scott Moore (#8 pick, 2.3 million) get off the board. Rich Harden was a 17th round draft and follow in 2000 ... Brad Sullivan was their first rounder in 2003. Catchers taken before Brian McCann in 2002: Jeremy Brown, Joey Votto, Adam Donachie. Immortals such as Chris Sndyer and and Mike Nixon taken soon after.
Honestly, the Moneyball thing is done completely to death. I can't imagine that anything further said about it amounts to more than a recitation of one's own personal biases. As an A's fan and hopefully an intellectual, I certainly don't exempt myself.
Yes, Fuson was fired even before the chair hit the ground. It was all directly related to the Bonderman pick.
Kazmir ($2.15 mil bonus) has put up 13 WARP while burning through 3+ years of service time. Swisher ($1.78 mil. bonus) has 10 WARP in 2+ years of service time. They were really stupid to want Swisher instead of Kazmir. Kazmir is clearly better and a better investment going forward. Those stupid A's have been hoisted on their petards for writing that dumb book.
Not only did Beane not fire Grady Fuson, but filed a complaint against the Rangers for hiring him at a lower level position than the GM job he had ostensibly interviewed for.
Gammons reported in the weeks leading up to the draft that the A's had a pre-draft deal with Bonderman for $1.5 million, a deal which presumably came about including the input of the GM. Then when they actually took him there was a squabble about money. Then he ended up signing for 1.5. Then the trade and the book.
Immortal HS pitchers taken before Jeremy Bonderman in 2001: Johnathan Griffin, Michael Jones, Kris Honel, Daniel Denham, Jeremy Sowers, Joseph McBride (Braves pick from Georgia). Taken one pick after: William Home.
Sure, Beane has been overfetishized by the saberheads. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done an outstanding job. And in the author's rush to condemn Beane, he makes a lot of misleading or omissive points. For example, the 2002 draft was still pretty good, insofar as it produced 3 major league starters (one of which was used to grab Damon) within 3 years. Similarly, to call Haren a mid-rotation starter, as his ceiling, when he appears poised to take a step up, in an attempt to downplay the Mulder trade, seems somewhat disingenuous. There are many folks who think Haren might outperform a healthy Harden, or at least be a Zito to Harden's Hudson. Or to omit the $ per win stats (or $ per marginal win) in hypothesizing that money is King, and that the A's improved performance since 2002 is directly correlated to increased payroll (without any basis for this claim) betrays the author's clear bias.
Billy Beane is not a demigod, but he is one of the top GMs in baseball. That he's managed to keep the A's in playoff contention year after year is impressive, and even more so given his constrained payroll. If I were starting a franchise (esp. small to mid-market), I'd probably take Schuerholz first, and then Beane (although I think you can obviously make good arguments for others, such as Cashman, Stoneman, Epstein, Ryan, etc.) I think his strengths are clearly his player evaluation of major league and high minor league players (as evidenced by his trades), and his ability to identify market inefficiencies. His major (relative) weakness is probably his evaluation of amateur players. In this area, he's probably about average, despite the hype of Moneyball. All in all, though, I can't see any argument, either based in sabermetric or more traditional assessments of franchise success, that Beane is not one of the top GMs in the game, or that Oakland has not been one of the top performing franchises during Beane's tenure.
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