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Monday, March 31, 2003

Arizona Diamondbacks

Apart from the New York Yankees, no team exudes more veteran ethos than the Diamondbacks. They have two of the greatest "old" pitchers in the history of the game, a couple of forever young outfielders, and an assortment of greying spare parts.

They’ve built one of the more successful clubs in recent years. Conventional (analyst) wisdom suggests that their demise is imminent, and every spring one can hear whispers in the air that, surely, they can’t hold things together much longer.

No team in the National League depends more on its two best starting pitchers than Arizona. Their hopes for a 4th playoff appearance in 5 years rest on the shoulders of the best lefty-righty pitching duo in recent memory.

Top 2 Starters (determined by innings pitched), 2002 NL

Team

IP

H

ER

HR

W

K

ERA

Rest of Team

Difference

ARI

NL

519.3

415

160

55

104

650

2.77

4.57

1.80

PHI

NL

416.7

370

150

39

116

300

3.24

4.54

1.30

HOU

NL

397.7

366

138

31

124

352

3.12

4.34

1.22

CHN

NL

418.7

331

169

40

182

432

3.63

4.59

0.95

CIN

NL

374.7

383

150

45

130

219

3.60

4.53

0.93

SDN

NL

414.3

442

188

47

112

275

4.08

4.88

0.80

LAN

NL

442.7

371

157

47

139

348

3.19

3.91

0.72

MON

NL

423.0

437

168

47

94

297

3.57

4.14

0.57

MIL

NL

427.3

464

210

51

146

310

4.42

4.90

0.48

PIT

NL

392.7

396

173

49

140

247

3.97

4.34

0.38

FLO

NL

358.0

341

167

21

164

270

4.20

4.42

0.22

ATL

NL

441.7

396

152

37

143

305

3.10

3.15

0.05

SLN

NL

353.7

344

144

34

118

243

3.66

3.71

0.05

COL

NL

364.0

429

215

50

161

201

5.32

5.17

-0.14

NYN

NL

396.0

386

181

55

132

324

4.11

3.83

-0.29

SFN

NL

430.3

424

191

34

165

271

3.99

3.36

-0.63

Johnson and Schilling pitched almost 80 more innings than any other NL 1-2 punch in 2002. The rest of the Arizona pitching staff was ordinary, ranking 12th out of 16 teams. Adjusting for the favourable hitting environment, they were about average.

Arizona, 1999-2002, overall offense and defense

year

runs

allowed

league

B PF

P PF

Adj R +-

Adj RA +-

Exp W/L

1999

908

676

806.7

0.97

0.97

129.4

-109.8

102-60

2000

792

754

812.1

1.02

1.01

-35.6

-65.6

85-77

2001

818

677

761.6

1.06

1.05

10.1

-116.9

95-67

2002

819

674

721.8

1.08

1.07

36.5

-91.9

95-67

Key: B PF/ P PF= Batters’/Pitchers’ Park Factor; Adj R/RA+- = the number of runs scored and allowed below average, taking league and park into account; Exp W/L (Pythagorean WPCT) = the number of wins and losses expected based on runs scored and runs allowed.

The D-backs offense is overrated because of their home park, and it has been hovering around league average since 2000. Lyle Overbay is the only newcomer who will likely see major playing time and he won’t be any better than Grace/Durazo. Unless Danny Bautista does something special this year, there won’t be much thunder in the lineup.

Thankfully, the offense only needs to be about average for the D-backs to be a serious 95 win threat. There are signs that the rotation depth has improved, with Dessens, Kim and Patterson the trio likely to get most of the starts. The D-backs will come close to leading the league in ERA, and that’s not an easy thing to do in one of the better hitters’ parks in the majors.

THE LINEUP

Excluding the expansion season, only one position player under the age of 25 has come to the plate 200 or more times in any season with Arizona. That man was Travis Lee, who was 24 years old in 1999 and came to the plate 436 times. The next youngest was Erubiel Durazo, who at age 26 garnered 276 PA in 2000. Last year, 27-year-old Junior Spivey became the second youngest D-Back to exceed 500 PA.

Arizona likes to bring its young players along slowly.

SS: Tony Womack

If you had Steve Finley, Craig Counsell and Junior Spivey on your team, why would you want to bat Tony Womack leadoff? Oh, I forgot, he’s fast and he plays in the middle of the diamond. There are rumors that he’ll be bunting more this year.

Shortstop platoons are very rare, probably because it is difficult to find two good hitters who can handle the position. Assuming Counsell has the arm strength to play short, Brenly would be well advised to sit Womack against most lefties.

Womack has been terrible against lefties: his 2000-2002 OBP/SLG splits were .321/.386 versus righties and .291/.284 versus lefties. If Brenly leads him off against lefties…. well, it’s a good thing that the batting order doesn’t matter all that much.

3B: Craig Counsell/Matt Williams

Counsell will start the season in the 2 slot against righties; Williams will bat down the order against lefties.

Matt Williams is no longer capable of playing 150 games a year, but he can still mash lefties. A platoon with Counsell would probably be the most sensible arrangement for the hot corner. Brenly has talked about giving Williams playing time at first base. Brenly may decide that Counsell’s more valuable in a super-utility role.

Craig Counsell and Matt Williams, 2000-2002 batting splits

Player

PA*

AB

H

2B

3B

HR

SB

CS

BB

SO

HBP

AVG

OBP

SLG

Counsell

vs LHP

296

261

77

16

1

0

2

3

35

45

0

.295

.375

.364

Williams

vs LHP

325

304

93

14

1

21

2

1

21

45

0

.306

.349

.566

Counsell

vs RHP

881

785

220

36

4

8

14

13

91

101

5

.280

.356

.367

Williams

vs RHP

738

690

177

41

3

19

3

2

42

117

6

.257

.302

.407

Key: PA* = plate appearances excluding sac hits and sac flies

2B: Junior Spivey

Spivey has a very quick bat and above average power for a second baseman. He can handle the position defensively.

The following is the first of four tables which include measures of the component skills that comprise batting skill. The four skills are: hitting line drives (BIP ave), drawing walks (W rate), making contact (K rate), and hitting for power (Power). To give the reader reference points for these measures, the following were the Major League averages in 2002: BIP ave = .296, W rate = .081, K rate = .170, Power = .146.

Junior Spivey, AA/AA/Majors

years

age

G

PA

AB

H

2B

3B

HR

SB

CS

W

K

hbp

BIP ave

W rate

K rate

Power

98-00

24.09

AA

84

376

302

93

25

5

7

22

14

64

57

5

.361

.172

.152

.178

00-01

26.08

AAA

82

351

311

78

14

4

9

12

7

38

49

0

.273

.106

.140

.137

01-02

27.09

NL

215

821

701

204

40

9

21

14

6

88

147

18

.343

.105

.180

.162

Key: age = age weighted by games played; BIP ave = batting average on balls in the field of play (homeruns are excluded); W rate = non-intentional walk per opportunity (PA-IW-HBP-SH); K rate = strikeouts per opportunity (PA-IW); power = this measure reflects how hard a player hits the ball when he makes contact: (Doubles+Triples+2*Homeruns) / (AB-K+SF)

Junior Spivey’s performance at AA El Paso was impressive and hinted at what was to come when he finally reached the majors. If he can repeat last year’s performance, he’ll be one of those rare position players who came to the major leagues late and became a legitimate all-star.

LF: Luis Gonzalez

Joe Jr. has been busy this spring, signing two D-backs stars to lucrative contract extensions. Only one of those was sound - no prizes for guessing that it’s not Gonzalez I’m talking about. Luis hit pay-dirt with a 3 year, $30 million extension through 2006, with a mutual option at $10 million for 2007. I wonder how much of that will eventually be deferred.

There is little doubt that 57 homeruns was a fluke. Gonzalez is a disciplined hitter who has walked more times than he’s struck out in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Decline is on the horizon for Gonzalez. His batting average on balls in the field of play over the past 4 years (1999 = .343, 2000 = .321, 2001 = .301, 2002 = .293) indicates that he has been hitting fewer line-drives as the years have progressed. With the exception of the power spike of 2001, Gonzalez hasn’t shown the power often expected of a corner outfielder.

RF: Danny Bautista

Bautista began last season as the D-backs’ regular right fielder, but suffered a dislocated left shoulder on May 22. He’s likely to exceed his career high 388 PA this year. Bautista hits right-handers very well (.355/.490 OBP/SLG versus RHP, 2000-2002).

CF: Steve Finley

How many teams have a starting 38-year old centerfielder? Finley has averaged very nearly 150 games in his 4 years as a Diamondback and it would take a magnifying glass to find any sign of decline over those years. He’s still quick enough to hit double figures in stolen bases and his strike-zone judgement is probably better than it was 4 years ago.

Luis Terrero, the centerfielder of the future, is still raw and is at least 2 years away from taking the job. Quinton McCracken is a reasonable facsimile of a centerfielder, so a serious injury to Finley wouldn’t spell doom.

Finley hasn’t shown much of a platoon split in recent years: his OBP/SLG figures (2000-2002) are .361/.491 versus RHP and .343/.496 versus LHP.

1B: Lyle Overbay

Overbay has been brought along slowly despite being hitting consistently well at every minor league stop. Mark Grace has been tutoring his heir apparent on the fine points of defense at first base this spring. Even so, Overbay has looked a little bit uneasy in the field.

Lyle Overbay, AA /AAA

age

G

PA

AB

H

2b

3b

HR

sb

cs

w

k

hbp

BIP ave

W rate

K rate

Power

2000-01

24.12

AA

200

888

776

273

65

5

21

8

6

95

131

7

.404

.097

.149

.171

2002

25.43

AAA

134

579

525

180

40

0

19

0

0

42

86

7

.383

.069

.149

.176

Overbay’s swing draws rave reviews. In the minors, he’s shown himself to be an excellent line-drive hitter with good but not great power. Expectations for him seem a little high: he’s not going to be a star.

Catcher: Chad Moeller/ Rod Barajas

Damian Miller was traded in one of two significant trades Arizona made during the off-season. Moeller and Barajas will split the catching duties, perhaps on a "personal catcher" basis. The current plan is to pair Moeller with Johnson and Patterson, and Barajas with Dessens.

Diamondbacks catchers 2001-2002, AAA/ NL

age

team

G

PA

AB

H

2B

3B

HR

SB

CS

W

K

hbp

BIP avg

W rate

K rate

Power

Rod Barajas

25.92

AAA

50

193

178

59

14

0

10

3

1

10

25

3

.343

.043

.131

.221

26.40

NL

121

282

260

53

13

0

6

1

0

14

51

3

.232

.037

.183

Robert Dudek Posted: March 31, 2003 at 12:00 AM | 6 comment(s)
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   1. Darren Posted: March 30, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#610116)
Is there a chance that ZiPS is a little too kind to rookie hitters? Overbay and Hafner (off the top of my head) seem unlikely to match ZiPs projections. I don't think Overbay hit those numbers in AAA last year.
   2. John M. Perkins Posted: March 30, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#610121)
While an article on the Diamondback pair, the two ace analysis looks best for the chances of the Giants. Losing innings eater Livan Hernandez looks more promising to the Giants than more of Johnson and Schilling for Arizona.
   3. Robert Dudek Posted: March 30, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#610124)
John M.,

Keep in mind that the "rest of the team" includes the bullpen, which tend to have lower ERAs than the starters. Nevertheless, losing Livan shouldn't "hurt" the Giants.

   4. Robert Dudek Posted: March 30, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#610146)
Greg,

Allow me to respectfully disagree. OBP and SLG combined are good measures of overall production. What I'm after are metrics designed to look at the component skills. I can use these to map out a hitter's development from young player to grizzled player in a way that AVG, OBP and SLG can't (because they each incorporate 2 of the component skills).
   5. tangotiger Posted: March 31, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#610157)
I agree with Robert's point about breaking up the components.

And this is an excellent article.

As a control, I looked at all teams from 1961 to 1998 who were a .530 to .570 team, and tracked how they did the next 4 years. They came in at .526, .526, .516, .510.

The falloff as Robert is showing from experienced teams needing to replenish is certainly very interesting. A larger sample would be needed though to establish significance. This EI is a great tool to use.
   6. Robert Dudek Posted: April 02, 2003 at 09:54 PM (#610192)
Here's my back of the envelope prediction for Kim (non-park adjusted):

203 IP, 190 H, 21 HR, 68 W, 170 K, 3.52 ERA

I've found, in looking at reliever to starter conversions (which are rarer than you might think), that the reliever loses A LOT of K/9. Consequently, hits per 9IP are up, as is ERA. However, walks and homeruns allowed stay at around the same rate.
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