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Sisco added insult to injury by being useful for the Royals.
Thanks for the list -- I hope some Rule 5 previews will be posted when they start popping up.
Also, the infamous Stephen Andrade isn't on the Blue Jays list above. He's still got scary good K rates and above average control. He did pass through waivers right at the end of the 2004 season, but after yet another dominant performance he really deserves a chance. At the very least, he'll be a great Triple-A phase pick (he spent all of last year in Double-A, so I'm assuming he's eligible for that).
How is Russ Rohlicek? Seems like LOOGYs seem to be the most useful way of using the Rule 5.
I like Kouzmanoff and Sing as well. Uggla is okay, but I'd rather have SS/2B Chase Lambin (Mets), though his low ceiling and horrendous defensive showing in the AFL may put the kibosh on that.
Merricks, huh? Is he healthy? There's a bunch of potential decent pitchers, but nobody that really stands out to me. Kevin Barry could be productive as a middle reliever, but I'm not sure the ceiling is there (same for Jason Miller). Conversely, the Rafael Rodriguez types of the world aren't ready to do much more than mop up and work on their cliches. Maybe Brownlie, if he can pick up a little velocity.
Rohlicek is decent - power groundballer with shaky control - but teams could have picked him up on waivers a few weeks back, if they'd wanted.
I have a hard time seeing someone gamble on D'Antona. He's not ready. A team might take a flier on Uggla tho, and less so on Jarred Ball.
That's not how the minor league phase eligibility works. Each team maintains a AAA roster, AA roster, Single A roster, etc. In the minor league phase, the team drafts from the rosters below it, for example, the AAA draft is for players on the AA and A rosters.
I don't believe that a player's highest level played has anything to do with if they can be selected in a certain round of the draft.
I think people are overly concerned. Sisco was a big screwup, but there isn't a lot of talent here that is ideal Rule 5 material.
How is Russ Rohlicek? Seems like LOOGYs seem to be the most useful way of using the Rule 5.
Pretty run of the mill, although the Cubs protected him last year. Decent stuff, poor command.
I could see someone taking a flyer on Brownlie. He's regressed a lot but he was a 1st round pick and might not do any harm occupying the back end of someone's bullpen. People are worried about losing Sing after two good years, but I'm not sure he's going to stick anywhere with his defensive skills.
Wow
nah, he just looks it. in reality, he's collecting pension in taiwan.
If he's Ok, I'd pick him. If he's more of a 1B, I'd probably pass.
Correct. The same players are eligible for each phase of the draft - teams can protect 40 people for the major league phase, 38 (I think) for the AAA phase, and 37 (I think) for the AA phase. Few players are taken in this last phase as many orgs can fit all of their eligible players on one of the three rosters. The Cards, for example, have no AA-draft eligibles (if I remember correctly), the Brewers have only a handful.
Sinisi is the most overrated hitter I've ever seen. There, I said it.
(Note: I'm not a scout and, if I were, I would be shockingly poor at it.)
Besides live arms, teams normally look for speedy outfielders and athletic middle infielders, as they have tactical value at the end of a bench. (Jason Cooper types, likely AAAA outfielders, are easy to find - as are finesse/trick pitchers like Carmen Pignatello). Who in those position player groups are available this year? SS Gregorio Petit. OF Anthony Webster (though my understanding is that his routes are lousy in center). Who else?
Incidentally, he could have been a six-year FA this year, but must have re-upped with the Cubs before free agency opened up (I guess so that he could play in the AFL, I dunno).
I did know that Murphy was Rule 5-eligible. It has been very hard to find a good summary of the top Rule 5 eligibles (the complete list, according to BA's Jim Callis, is 71 pages long); the one at Red Sox Nation was the best that I could find, and I did want to get the thread up. If/when I get a better list I'll post it, as well as any previews I find.
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As for the "surprise" part of the question, I just looked at the 71-page list of Rule 5 eligibles and my eyes are glazed over. In a lot of cases, unprotected players aren't being disparaged as prospects. It's just that their clubs don't think another team can afford to keep them on a big league roster for an entire season.
Outfielder Vince Sinisi signed for a $2.07 million bonus in 2003 but injuries and an ineffective Double-A performance meant that he couldn't make the 40-man roster two years later. Cardinals righthander Blake Hawksworth was one of my favorite pitching prospects in the lower minors in 2003 but he's barely been healthy since the middle of that season. I can't say either's availability shocked me, but their names caught my eye. It's not a good sign for the Reds that their top two pitching prospects from a year ago, Richie Gardner and Thomas Pauly, were hurt to the extent that Cincinnati didn't think they merited protection.
Among the guys who could get a look in the major league Rule 5 draft are: lefty reliever Russ Rohlicek (Cubs); righthanders Rafael Rodriguez (Angels), Billy Sadler (Giants), Bob Zimmermann (Angels); catcher John Jaso (Devil Rays); first basemen Ryan Mulhern (Indians) and Brandon Sing (Cubs); and outfielders Adam Boeve (Pirates) and Jason Cooper (Indians). Twins righthander David Shinskie had a 7.22 ERA in 2005, but he also had arguably the best arm on a very talented low Class A Beloit staff and might get a bite.
BA will do a preview, probably on Monday.
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Gregor Blanco and Javon Moran are speedy CF types, as is Ball.
-- MWE
Hmmm... I wonder if Callis would forward me the list if I asked for it.
Mike, what do you think of Mulhern? I've never seen him hit, though he obviously was doing something right this year.
If he's Ok, I'd pick him. If he's more of a 1B, I'd probably pass.
More of a jack of all trades, master of none. Whoever picks him up will have to be thinking mostly DH/PH duty, and that's not an ideal situation for a guy who has never played in AAA. Maybe the LF thing will work out.
He could be a nice Moneyball type pick for a team with the right roster needs, but I think there's a good chance he won't stick if someone picks him.
What's Dan Denham's health? I think he hurt his shoulder, but he's got decent stuff and started to put up #s in '05.
No, he's not on the 40 man.
See MLB link here.
He was outrighted to the minors last December, and went unclaimed.
Sing and Kouzmanoff would both be solid choices for the Pirates.
I thought Sing signed with the Cubs as a minor league free agent making him unavailable in the Rule 5 Draft? Can anyone shed some light on this?
They could do that, but it doesn't make much sense. They would still have to put the guy on the major league roster for 90 days the following year, before they could send him to the minors. And of course, he'd be losing a year of baseball to further develop. Now, if you could stash a guy who isn't ready for the majors (but has promise) on the 60 day DL and send him to Japan for a year or something, maybe that makes some sense, but it wouldn't happen.
Even if he did sign, if he ain't on the 40-man roster, he's eligible for Rule 5, I believe.
Colt Griffin, last I read, wasn't throwing in the upper 90's anymore, more like 91-94. He'd be a disaster facing major leaguers at this point. If he's going to have a chance at a career he probably needs to be in the bullpen and to work with a really good pitching coach.
Maybe the O's will take him.
Yeah thats how guys like Chris Gomez have been picked before...and i dont think Sing was a mlfa
The rule is that a player claimed in Rule 5 must spend at least 90 days on the team's active roster. The Red Sox will be up against this with Adam Stern, who was only active for 72 days (if I counted correctly).
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Correct.
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Adrian Brown was chosen this way a few years ago as well.
I haven't seen him play. He was gone from Kinston before I saw them. I'm always skeptical of guys who have a *sudden* HR surge, though, especially when they wind up with more HR than doubles.
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I guess the manly last name is cancelled out by the first name "Keith".
The rule is that a player claimed in Rule 5 must spend at least 90 days on the team's active roster. The Red Sox will be up against this with Adam Stern, who was only active for 72 days (if I counted correctly).
-- MWE
so this means he has to spend all of 2006 on the major league roster (or major league dl) or risk being sent back to atlanta?
Me too.
Andrade: You're right, Nate - I forgot that they outrighted him, my bad. Still, I'd be surprised if he were eligible for the AAA phase.
so this means he has to spend all of 2006 on the major league roster (or major league dl) or risk being sent back to atlanta?
Just 18 days.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pesco went - I thought about babbling about him. Decent stuff, somewhat projectible, okay perofrmance (Kinston is a pitcher's park).
Conrad: WYSIWYG - adequate glove at second, so-so bat, nothing special on the basepaths, switch-hitter. He could help a club, but there's a lot of guys around who can do a variant of what he does. He (like a lot of the other names on the RSN list) got pub as a candidate for selection last year. Round Rock is a decent place to hit (almost any PCL park is) - ARoM had his MLE at .222/.297/.384.
We'll look back at this decade's roster construction in the same way that we look back at 60's leadoff hitters. Blind adherence to incorrect orthodoxy.
1. Kevin West could hide out this year as a 5th OF type for some team. Average power for a corner guy.
2. Jason Miller could stick as a 2nd lefty out of some teams pen.
3. Angel Garcia was picked 1st last year and returned by Tampa Bay.
4. Shinske don't know much about but sounds like typical live armed pitcher.
And Bladergroen...weren't people psyched about him back around the alphabicz trade? Or is that just a case of Boston/NY "prospect" hype?
Mulhern: Isn't South Alabama a good park for power hitters?
Yep.
Elliot Johnson Devil Rays 21 2B AA Speedy bench player, no bat
I really think people are selling Johnson short. No, he isn't a GREAT prospect, but he hit fairly well at Visalia (though was helped some by the Cal League of course) and wasn't completely overmatched at Montgomery. I know that isn't a ringing endorsement but for a speedy second baseman with good defense, hitting .261/.305/.375 in AA at age 21 is enough to warrant a bit of attention. As Der Komminsk-sar mentioned, speedy middle infielders are one of the types of players that tends to get picked and have some shot at sticking so I would have liked to see Johnson protected too. I'd understand if there wasn't room but the Rays have chaff like Carlos Hines and Franklin Nunez on the 40-man as well as Joe Borowski who is very unlikely to be back.
Thats good power from an IF. What was his home park like? and is he an IF like John Mabry is an IF? or can he really play around the diamond.
If by chaff you mean nasty power relief arms...well at least Nunez i've heard decent things about Hines but i havent seen him. Nunez i have seen blow away some good hitters.
as for conrad hes NOT an IF like mabry is. der-k nailed him on the head. hes decent at 2nd and 3rd and is a decent hitter who probly got helped alot by his home park/league.
Other names...
Mitch Maier's stock has fallen, but he's always had good power to the gaps, used to catch (albeit poorly... and I think he also had some knee issues) - a guy like him, I think, could be a useful 25th man. Someone that can play 4 corner positions, catch in an emergency, and though impatient at the plate - I think that's actually less important for a guy who's at-bats come in single slices.
Ditto Drew Meyer - IIRC, he's played some CF and can handle any IF position, has a bit of speed. No power or much patience, and not really much of a hitter... but then neither is Neifi or most of the utility IFs who are making guaranteed money.
As others have said above - I also think you could do a lot worse than Bobby Brownlie as the 11th man on a staff.
I know most teams treat the rule V like some sort of lottery, hoping to snag the next Roberto Clemente, George Bell, or Johan Santana -- but for the life of me, I don't get why more teams don't use it to fill the 5th OF, 11th pitcher, or 2nd utility IF. When you're talking that far down the depth chart - I think it's accepted you'll be filling the spot with someone you hope never has to be in the lineup on consecutive days - so why not fill it with the failed speedster that can't hit? The 7 position playing slap hitter that never hears "Ball Four"? The average stuff tweener starter with some rotation experience to do the 3-4 inning mop-up job in blowouts?
Instead - teams still insist on filling these spots with guaranteed contracts, or, an NRI that ends up knocking a protected vet off the 25 man anyway.
Bob Zimmerman Angels 24 RHP RP High A, Good Peripherals
The Lonesome Hobo could be an interesting choice for someone. His numbers last year were better than they look -- he had a miserable first 4 2/3 innings, but after that had a 2.62 ERA in 55 IP, striking out 54 to 24 walks, allowing 42 hits and only two home runs. He was a bit old for the league, but not through any real fault of his own; he hasn't repeated any levels, and has pitched at least reasonably well everywhere he's been.
In his first 4 2/3 IP, he allowed eight hits, one home run, and six earned runs. So he got a lot better from there.
This Che guy sounds pretty interesting. He's pitched ridiculously well at every level:
Year Age Level IP SO BB H HR ERA
2003 21 R 11.0 14 3 4 0 0.82
2003 21 A 39.3 39 14 37 4 3.43
2004 22 A 56.7 90 24 47 6 2.86
2005 23 A+ 51.3 65 14 39 2 2.45</pre>
Me too, but it's a shame his shoulder never healed - killing his throwing arm. He's restricted to left and I'm not sure his bat is good enough to warrant picking him. Jason Cooper is the same way, I guess, but with more power and less average.
zonk, I agree with much of your post 61, though I guess the cost of an NRi who doesn't make the team is less than a Rule 5 guy who doesn't or, worse, does for awhile but doesn't last the whole season. Maybe teams feel like they need a certain payoff before carrying somebody who might not be ready is worth it to them - or they'd rather stick/reward with the devils they know (in-house alternatives) over Rule 5 candidates. I dunno - Rule 5 (major league phase) isn't for every team, but I agree that there are teams (KC, I'm looking at you) that could benefit from using it differently.
I agree on E.Johnson and Zimmerman as well.
Guevara: He's definitely interesting, but I'm with those that want to see him at AA or above before picking him. Supposedly, none of his stuff is special apart from the screwball and Jeff Kubenka cured me of falling too madly in love with that archetype.
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Kohn is Chad Bradford light. He's got a similar delivery to Bradford's, although not as extreme, but he doesn't throw quite as hard as Bradford and his ball doesn't move as much. He did poorly in the AFL, and I agree that his chances of going are close to nil.
-- MWE
Here in Toronto, we look back with fondness on Gillick's use of the Rule 5 draft during the development years. But, that was a more patient time, and one where the roster spot allocations weren't so skewed to pitching.
In Hines' six years in the minors almost entirely as a reliever (just 20 starts and only one in the last three seasons), he has a K/BB ratio of 2.03. The low home run totals are great but he is unlikely to be anything more than a mediocre back end of the bullpen guy.
As for Nunez, I too have seen him blow away some good hitters. I've also season him look awful with no command whatsoever. He's almost 29 and to this point has done nothing to suggest that he's ever going to get it together enough to be productive in the majors.
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