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Did breaking his wrist affect his performance in any way?
-- MWE
I agree that Micah gets no respect. I would add Ohlendorf to this list as well.
Also, there are so many future stars in the DBacks system, even Kevin overlooks a guy who's he, himself, has touted in the recent past: Clye Hankerd. He's a left fielder, but he seems like he can mash. Somewhere I read (maybe at scout.com's profile) that he's Erubiel Durazo, part deux.
Hey, I've got a great idea for how Arizona can make room in its starting rotation!
I wouldn't go that far. There are lots of guys to like, but with the exception of Young and Gonzalez, the track records aren't really there yet.
-- MWE
That's a funny way to spell "the Mets dumped Jorge Julio on the starter-starved Diamondbacks."
By the way, remember when you thought you were getting Lastings Milledge instead of Julio? ROFLMAO
Can you two just have sex already? Keerist.
"By the way, remember when you thought you were getting Lastings Milledge instead of Julio? ROFLMAO"
Can you two just have sex already? Keerist.
13. Knight Who Says Nye Mets (iksvel) Posted: November 09, 2006 at 10:17 AM (#2233848)
Vlad, Base wants it, but I'm just not into those things.
Just when you thought Vlad and levski could not be worse posters. Well, Vlad could be worse in that he could be levski, but that's about it.
-- MWE
I'm just tired of you two flirting back and forth all the time. Enough is enough. You've thrown enough worms in each other's hair to adequately demonstrate mutual interest, now go and do it or forever hold your peace.
This #### is OLD. Like, his-head's-big-so-he-must-use-steroids old. Yun Taragoashi old...
Wait, is this a compliment or an insult? (j/k)
I hadn't heard the Kottaras comparison, but I have no issues with it.
Vlad, you should just relax
I saw that too. Was surprised about Kottaras's projection, though. Other than those 100, ugly at bats with the BoSox org, he's had a remarkable track-record with his bat. It makes me think, considering Montero's 1/2 year with Tucson, that Zips weighs a player's most-recent year, most heavily.
That's probably because I'm the only one who's ever made it. I have a higher opinion of Kottaras than do most people, I think. I'm sure ZiPS likes Montero's power production and the difference in their AAA performances, but from what I've seen of Montero, he doesn't make solid contact as consistently as does Kottaras.
-- MWE
The biggest difference between Montero and Kottaras is a HUGE one -- Montero can catch, Kottaras is still pretty bad back there. If he doesn't improve, he could be setting off for an Eli Marrero kinda career in my mind -- I can't find anyone who thinks he's good enough defensively to be a every day catcher. The bat is good, not great, but where do you play him?
As for Reynolds, no WAY has can play SS in the big leagues, you're talking about a guy who couldn't even play well there in A ball -- and he'll need work to stay at 2B. That's the concern about him . . . as well as his akward style.
I appreciate the thread and the interesting posts.
KG
what do you think about montero vs kottaras hitting-wise?
Well, his peripherals are not very exciting for his 1/2 season in the PCL, granted, but during his short stint in the Cal League last year, and his first 1/2 in the Southern in 2006, his peripherals were very good. A recap of the SL stats: 74+ ip, 66 hits, 4 hrs, 17 bbs, 69 ks. He also averaged 6.2 innings per start. No, he didn't strike out 100 batters, but there was a lot of buzz about him through June and, based on his #s, deservedly so.
Kevin, do you think Reynolds can play 3B, and potentially hit well enough there to give the Dbacks an option in a year or two if Chad Tracy doesn't improve defensively there next year?
Also, I'd appreciate your thoughts on Ohlendorf and Matt Torra. Does it seem like Torra will be able to come back to where he was before the shoulder surgery? Much appreciated.
What sort of response do you expect to this, you sniveling internet rodent? If this were real life, the only response would be to ask you to step outside, but I am quite certain that neither of you would so much as look at me funny in person.
I'm done with this thread.
Well, Kottaras is no Montero, that's for sure, but I think *pretty bad* is an overstatement.
Kottaras reminds me a lot of Jason Kendall without the propensity for being hit by pitches. He's smart, he calls a good game, the pitchers seem to like working with him, and while I agree that he still needs a lot of work behind the plate on footwork and the like, there was a noticeable improvement between Kottaras v 2005 and Kottaras v 2006. I don't know what happened when he went to the Red Sox, and I'm well aware of the hazards of making judgments based on a small sample of games, but I have seen nothing to suggest that Kottaras will not be adequate with the glove.
-- MWE
I'd take the LH bat. But Iannetta & Montero both had pretty ridiculous minor-league stats last year.
Either the sound of desperate macking and groping, or the sound of a couple of mouths shutting for a while.
"I'm done with this thread."
Looks like I got my wish!
Mark Reynolds-OF- Diamondbacks Nov. 9 - 12:42 pm et
Mark Reynolds homered, doubled and drove in three runs Wednesday for Scottsdale of the AFL.
He also stole his first base. The three RBI pulled him within one of the league lead, held by Chip Cannon at 25. He's batting .342/.418/.633 in 79 at-bats.
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(ED. rest of comment deleted - MWE)
Sadly, thats only good for a 97 OPS+ in the AFL...
(just kidding. barely.)
-- MWE
Thanks for cleaning up this thread, btw. I'm especially glad you took out your own suggestion that I can't do any intellectual heavy lifting. That hurt. :)
I'm not insulted as a Lounger, I'm insulted as a comedian.
Hey! We may have snark but we don't get in flamewars.
Kottaras didn't have a bad 100 AB's with Boston. He only played in the playoffs, and he hit pretty well, though I can't find available numbers. The 100 AB's you see is with Portland, the PCL affiliate of the Padres. Not Portland, the double-A affiliate of the Sox.
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Carlos Gonzalez-OF- Diamondbacks Nov. 8 - 2:59 pm et
Carlos Gonzalez went 5-for-6 with his first homer and four RBI Tuesday for Zulia of the VWL.
Gonzalez, who could join Chris Young and Carlos Quinton in Arizona's 2008 outfield, upped his average more than 50 points and is now batting .317/.394/.429 in 63 at-bats.
They will, after they get traded to AZ for 1B slugger and defensive wiz extraordinaire Tony Clark
:)
My apologies to the Loungers. Sometimes I can't tell the difference.
We'll wait until Detroit's prospects are posted.
-- MWE
Btw, what's up with YOU bashing AZ's prospects now? Are you a closet Mets fan? In bed with Base? :)
-- MWE
#### that, the lounge is the most civil place on this site. Don't dump your trash on us.
Do I have to start posting your "please Base don't hurt me" posts again?
You're stuff just doesn't do it for me.
Are we not snark? We are Devo!
-- MWE
I agree with you, Mike. For a system that prides itself on depth AND top talent, the Braves farm looks pretty ordinary right now.
I'll take ordinary from a 20/21 year old in AA...
MILB.com: Goldstein: AZ's TOP 10 PROSPECTS
I've never even heard of Neftali Feliz before. Anyone care to fill me in?
If Campbell can stick at 2B, he should be in good shape, but i'm skeptical (when we drafted him, people wondered if he'd stick at THIRD... hmmm).
Andrus didn't even turn 18 until August, so last year was his age 17 season. I'm still optimistic. He may not be as good a hitter as Tabata or F-Martinez, but he has a long way to fall on the defensive spectrum before that matters.
No to mention that barring some unforeseen change, he won't be falling on the defensive spectrum, thus always giving him that advantage over Martinez and Tabata. I still love Andrus and think he'll be a big time player.
In 12 months, he's got a chance to be a year older :)
I'd never heard of him. Sounds like the next coming of Jose Capellan... (sorry, low blow)
To be fair, he isn't on the Sox, Yankees, or Mets. So there would be no reason for you to know him.
Locke is ranked in the top 10, despite a hit an inning performance, but Gunderson gets no mention. Though I guess he is slotted as a reliever.
No mention of Jo Jo Reyes or Jamie Richmond? or Kala Kaihuie..
Beau Jones has absolutely fallen off the radar ( not surprising, but he had some injury issues. He might have a big bounce back year ).
Rasmus was shut down with elbow tendinitis. Anyone has any more news on him?
Also Coe got off to a hot start before cooling down. Think he should rank over Fontaine, who walk a LOT but showed no power.
I watched the CWS, and he was not exactly throwing slop. But towards the end he was, but then consider how much he was worked in the CWS.
Richmond's going to have to prove himself at every level, because he's not overpowering and his secondary pitches aren't especially strong. He hasn't pitched in a full-season league yet, and until he does, I'd be inclined to be conservative with projecting him forward; his profile right now is that of a marginal starter/reliever.
-- MWE
Richmond's going to have to prove himself at every level, because he's not overpowering and his secondary pitches aren't especially strong. He hasn't pitched in a full-season league yet, and until he does, I'd be inclined to be conservative with projecting him forward; his profile right now is that of a marginal starter/reliever
I don't disagree, but I thought he might have been worth a mention for his rookie league year. certainly more than Lerew, who for some reason I just can't stand the sight off anymore. Incidentally that low K rate shouldn't be that big an issue. he was an extreme groundball pitcher..
I'm not talking just about the K rate, though - I'm talking more about the overall quality of his pitches. Richmond tops out around 90 with the fastball, and his breaking and offspeed pitches are just ordinary. He's gotten by keeping the ball down and not walking *anyone*, and it's worked so far - but it will have to continue to work.
-- MWE
Been awhile since the Braves have touted up a prospect and pawned him off on some team. Miss the good ol days!
where would Max Ramirez have ranked on that list?
Behind the top 6 for sure, about even with Devine, maybe slightly ahead.
Ramirez is 22 and hasn't seen high-A yet. He's hit the ball consistently well, but there are questions about his defense behind the plate.
-- MWE
I like Donnie Veal. Really. But I can't see jumping him ahead of Pie or Patterson at this stage.
-- MWE
Pawelek gets a low rating due to injury?
This farm looks thin for such a hyped up system not so long ago.
Shanks is saying Matt Wright ( who was Braves' pitcher of the year ) went to the Royals..I know the Royals picked up some Brave pitcher, but I thought it wasn't Wright. Anyone can shed light on this?
Pawelek hasn't been hurt, as far as I know; the Cubs are just being very careful with him.
The farm is thin, especially at the upper levels.
-- MWE
Minor League Tranny List.
-- MWE
I am starting not like Dayton Moore that much
Samardzija still claims he wants to play both sports. Depending on which junior WR's declare for the draft, he is probably an early 2nd round pick.
The top of the organization is very strong (Bailey, Bruce, Votto) but the quality falls off *very* quickly once you get past the cream.
-- MWE
Take that, Kyle S! :P
A 21-YO who posted a .768 OPS in rookie-level ball? Why not?
I really thought Stubbs was overdrafted, and so far he's done nothing to change my mind.
-- MWE
I like Morales, but until he manages to get his walk rate under control I see him as clearly behind Iannetta and Fowler.
Fowler took a couple of big steps forward in 2006. The big one was cutting his strikeout rate in half, and 31 doubles in 99 games was nice to see as well; it looks as though he's getting more comfortable switch-hitting. The question with him is whether he can stay healthy for a full season.
Lindsay was supposed to pitch in Hawaii, but he got hurt.
-- MWE
Do you have any thoughts on Seth Smith? I know he's not a likely top 10 prospect in a pretty good Rockie system, but Goldstein mentioned about 10 other solid guys just off the top 10 and never mentioned Smith. Unless it was an oversight that was pretty surprising to me.
As a former college qb he supposedly has pretty good athleticism. There were some questions about his effort and defensive routes in 2005, but supposedly a stern kick in the pants and laser surgery improved both areas in 2006.
His offense has been pretty average - especially 2005 in the CAL - and so far he's mostly been a doubles hitter (91 2B vs 24 HR the last two years). Fwiw, he had a big second half last year - ~320/400/520 over his final two months. He also improved his BB and K numbers quite a bit from 44 and 115 in 533 AB in 2005 to 51 and 74 in 524 AB.
Does he have a shot to pull a Josh Fields kind of a breakout season next year in AAA?
He's one of my sleeper prospects. That article should be up this weekend.
Absolutely.
-- MWE
This is a bit of an understatement. He was shut down with tightness from a torn labrum that he pitched all season with and had to undergo surgery to repair it and won't pitch at all in 2007. I think his status as a prospect right now has to be considered very much in doubt. I think you're spot on concerning Smith, he's often overlooked but has quite a bit of potential still.
West and Tucker over Volstad, Hernandez, and Thompson is a real surprise to me, as is the absence of Gaby Sanchez. Tucker needs two pitches to come around, not one - yes, he's got the upper-90s fastball, but neither the slider nor the change is anywhere close to what it needs to be. Goldstein notes that Tucker's command got better as the season went on, and it did - but his strikeouts dropped, too.
One of the things that struck me about Florida's young arms is how hittable they *all* were. Goldstein expresses surprise at how hittable Volstad was, but all of the top six had BABIP over .300.
-- MWE
~ C
Petit isn't a 2007 rookie; he had too much service time in 2006. BA ignores the service time limit for prospects (so Petit is still eligible for their list) but I'm not sure Goldstein does.
-- MWE
Obviously there has to be a line somewhere, and the playing time ROY qualifications is arguably as good as any. That still doesn't justify adopting the ROY service time limit, though; it's not as if we have a better read on Petit because he spent six weeks rotting on the Marlins bench than we would if he'd been in the Albequerque rotation the entire time.
~ C
I don't typically do it, either. But I'm not going to argue that it's wrong to do it that way, and it's not as though slotting Petit in on this list (between 5-7, if I were doing it; he's not a whole lot different than Thompson or Hernandez, IMO, and he's above VandenHurk at this stage) is going to make a whole lot of difference.
-- MWE
Also just missing were Chris Coghlan (moving to second base help him), along with fireballers Matt Lindstrom (a little too old, FB a little too straight for me) and Jesus Delgado.
KG
Bogusevic looked like he was finally getting his act together at the end of the season, after being brutalized for most of his minor league career. His last regular-season outing was a gem: 6 IP, 2 hits, 1 BB, and 6 Ks. He did have a huge home-road split (and threw most of his innings on the road), and lefty hitters just smacked him around; he's going to have to find something that works consistently against LHB.
Surprised (a bit) that Koby's not on the bottom of the list, given how weak the organization is at the top. I like Paulino's stuff, but he took a step backward a year ago IMO (although Salem's not especially easy on pitchers), and I'm not sure he's got enough strength/stamina to be a starter in the majors. Koby didn't hit for average, but he drew walks, made contact fairly consistently, and showed decent power for a 19-YO guy in full-season. Josh Flores is another guy who has a chance to do something, although he's going to have to make better contact.
-- MWE
Kershaw #1? That's a lot of forward projection there in an organization that has a good number of candidates for the position of #1 prospect. Kershaw has a high ceiling, to be sure, and you gotta love 54/5 K/BB in 37 innings, but I can't see jumping him over Elbert and LaRoche this early in his career. Let's see if he can get through a 150-IP log in a full-season league without being hurt first. The Dodgers aren't exactly known for keeping their pitching prospects healthy. I think Bell at #6 is too high, also - he's an "old" 19 (turned 20 in November) and hasn't played an inning in a full-season league yet, and his strikeout rate this year jumped into the unacceptable range (72 in 250 AB, in a friendly environment in Ogden).
Meloan (who probably should have started 2006 at Vero Beach) jumped on to a lot of radar screens this year, dominating at three levels and in the AFL. He might be the next Gagne for the Dodgers.
-- MWE
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