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Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Rule 4 Draft (DISCUSSION THREAD)

The Rule 4 draft will be held beginning at 2 PM on June 7, extending into June 8. Baseball America has the complete draft order for the first five rounds, with Arizona getting the additional draft pick (#65) if they fail to sign Max Scherzer by Thursday (a scenario which is looking pretty likely).

On Sunday, beginning at 2 PM Central Time, John Sickels will be hosting a mock draft, covering five rounds. I will be handling the Orioles, who have picks in only the 1st, 4th, and 5th rounds.

While Tampa’s front office insists that they haven’t yet made a decision, almost everyone expects the #1 pick to be Vanderbilt LHP David Price. The Royals, drafting 2nd, are likely to take Seton Hall Prep RHP Rick Porcello, even though Scott Boras is his “adviser”. Assuming those two picks go as advertised, the fun begins. The Cubs, picking 3rd, like Cypress (CA) HS 3B Josh Vitters, but might also go for Georgia Tech C Matt Wieters, who is also a Boras “advisee”, and who may very well drop to #10 (Giants) if the Cubs don’t take him, even though he’s a consensus top-5 player; it is very unlikely that any of the teams between the Cubs and the Giants would be interested in Wieters, either because of other needs or because of his Boras connection.

If Vitters isn’t available to the Pirates at #4, the guessing is that the Bucs will either take Lewis and Clark OF Beau Mills, who would be a bit of a reach at that level, or will opt for a safer college arm like Clemson lefty Daniel Moskos or Missouri State lefty Ross Detwiler. The Orioles are also interested in one of the two pitchers at #5.

If Scherzer does re-enter the draft pool, the speculation is that he’ll go to the Nationals at #6, because of Mike Rizzo’s presence there. Rizzo was, of course, with the Diamondbacks when they took Scherzer originally.

Andrew Brackman, the NC State pitcher who had been projected as a top-3 draft pick, has likely pitched his way out of the upper half of the first round. He’s missed his last two starts because of a “dead arm”, and might not be available to the Wolfpack for the NCAA tournament opener. There’s little question about Brackman’s skills, but the results just haven’t been there.

UPDATE: Jonathan Mayo checks in with his mock 1st round.

Mike Emeigh Posted: May 29, 2007 at 02:11 PM | 127 comment(s)
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   101. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 04, 2007 at 11:16 AM (#2392025)
"They also have the worst name ever, The Beetdiggers."

Are you sure? Really, really sure?
   102. bblackwell Posted: June 05, 2007 at 03:31 PM (#2393857)
I'm hearing that Matt Wieters could drop all the way to the Cardinals in the first round. From what I understand, if the Royals take Porcello & the Cubs, in turn, take Vitters (which is what they want to do), and the Pirates don't get the OK from ownership to spend the money on him (and they won't), Wieters could plummet. I think the Nats, Brewers, or Giants could take a look at him, but I think they like other guys more.
   103. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: June 05, 2007 at 03:41 PM (#2393862)
I am really leaning towards the Royals taking Wieters.
   104. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2007 at 04:22 PM (#2393927)
Bucs apparently have worked out Mesoraco(!) and Dominguez, neither of whom I'd really considered at #4 until now. They also brought in Jose Bautista's baby brother Luis for a workout, though he probably won't go too early.
   105. I Am He, All Man Czar (TempleUSox) Posted: June 05, 2007 at 04:37 PM (#2393937)
Don't be surprised to see a lot of popular names plummeting on draft day. I'm hearing that the signing bonuses being asked for by some prospects are worse than ever. Compound that with the fact that several teams have numerous 1st/supp round picks and I think you are going to see some surprising college names pop up in the 1st round.
   106. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 05, 2007 at 04:42 PM (#2393943)
Bucs apparently have worked out Mesoraco(!) and Dominguez, neither of whom I'd really considered at #4 until now.


Mesoraco would be a typical Pittsburgh draft pick - local kid, good enough to be drafted in the first round anyway, good PR pick, likely to sign quickly and potentially for a hometown discount. Dominguez would be less of a reach at #4; at least he has a power bat and can handle 3B.

The fact that they brought both of those players in is NOT a good sign - it indicates that signability is still driving the decision, no matter how strenuously Littlefield argues that it isn't.

-- MWE
   107. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2007 at 05:33 PM (#2393987)
The part that worries me even more is that I haven't heard about Heyward coming in for a workout. If they're looking high school and non-Boras, he should be in the discussion, even if he doesn't end up being the guy.
   108. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: June 05, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2394035)
I don't how reliable these people are, but they are projecting Heyward at #14, which makes me very happy.

MiLB Draft Projections
   109. MM1f Posted: June 05, 2007 at 06:44 PM (#2394076)
BA:
The presence of Cubs GM Jim Hendry at Virginia's regional this weekend, and new ownership perhaps tightening the purse strings in Chicago, the Cubs could make Doolittle a signability pick at No. 3 overall, despite his talent warranting a spot at their sandwich round pick at 48.


Seems like a remote chance of happening, but it'd be a shocker
   110. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2394135)
I'll be shocked if Heyward drops that far.
   111. Darren Posted: June 05, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2394163)
Yes! Signability concerns!
   112. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 05, 2007 at 08:04 PM (#2394177)
Some people have been floating rumors of Doolittle moving up even before this one.

-- MWE
   113. MM1f Posted: June 05, 2007 at 08:27 PM (#2394212)
"Some people have been floating rumors of Doolittle moving up even before this one."

I'm kind of surprised at that. I know he was well-regarded out of HS, I wish my Braves had signed him when they could have then, and hes been a great player at UVA but he doesnt stand out, prospect-wise, in any one area. Hes a real good pitcher, but doesnt have great stuff, and hes a smart, solid hitter without the power (although I guess 22 HRs in 3 years isnt bad in what I think is a pitchers park in the ACC) or frame that you think of in a first round 1B and hes not the kind of elite contact hitter to make up for that.

Of all the collegians you could overdraft to save money, is he just seen as such a safe bet at this point to be the one you target?
   114. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: June 06, 2007 at 11:13 AM (#2394931)
Word in KC is they are moving away from Porcello and towards Vitters or Moutsakas.

If signability is an issue this year with the changes they've made, then the Royals should just give up now.
   115. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 06, 2007 at 11:18 AM (#2394937)
Doolittle at #3 is crazy talk. Which doesn't mean that it won't happen, just that it's crazy if it does.
   116. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 06, 2007 at 11:31 AM (#2394946)
If signability is an issue this year with the changes they've made, then the Royals should just give up now.


HS pitchers, in particular, seem to be asking for a lot of money this year. Porcello, Harvey, and McGeary, to name just three, apparently have bonus demans that are way out of line with what teams are expecting to pay for their talent.

I don't know why the Royals should let signability concerns get in their way at this point, since they would get the equivalent of the #3 pick next year if whoever they draft this year doesn't sign, and there will likely be some good options available when they next pick at #66.

-- MWE
   117. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 06, 2007 at 11:33 AM (#2394947)
Doolittle at #3 is crazy talk.


.. especially since on talent, there should be a reasonable chance that he'd be available when the Cubs pick at #48.

-- MWE
   118. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: June 06, 2007 at 11:42 AM (#2394956)
Agreed on both, Mike. Teams should really, IMO, take a harder line on bonuses this year.

On an unrelated note - Sickels thinks that Corey Brown is underrated - however, I think he's, well, "rated". I like the diverse set of skills/tools, am not big on the Cape performance, K rate, off-field history, and note that he's played in a bandbox.
   119. MM1f Posted: June 07, 2007 at 12:35 AM (#2395885)
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/draft/2007/notebooks/jerryford/notebook_6407.aspx

PG's take on their coverage.

Interestingly, since the draft will be going from Thursday til Friday (and maybe even Sat), instead of the usual Tuesday-Wednesday, instead of players starting superregional play fresh off of being drafted some players could be drafted at the exact moment they are on the mound or at the plate.

It'd be kind of cool to imagine a player learning of his draft status by a PA announcer going, "Now batting, the second baseman...Tyyylerrr Maaach. Who, about 3 minutes ago, was made the 12th round pick of the Toronto Blue Jays"

I don't expect that to happen of course though, it'd be better on the kids to let them know after the game, but its a fun idea to think of.
   120. bblackwell Posted: June 07, 2007 at 03:53 AM (#2395929)
Porcello could likely drop into the 20's until someone is willing to pay. His demands (Josh Beckett bonus money, + inflation) have scared away the Royals. KC takes either Detwiler or Vitters, I think. Washington has money to spend, but I don't see them doing so on Porcello.
   121. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 07, 2007 at 09:21 AM (#2396001)
I rather strongly suspect that Boras's numbers this year are mostly calculated to steer his guys down the board and over to larger-market teams. He probably doesn't really expect to get that kind of money.
   122. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 07, 2007 at 10:42 AM (#2396085)
I rather strongly suspect that Boras's numbers this year are mostly calculated to steer his guys down the board and over to larger-market teams.


...who are more likely to go over slot.

-- MWE
   123. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 07, 2007 at 10:45 AM (#2396088)
BA is now projecting Porcello to drop to the Rangers at #24.
   124. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: June 07, 2007 at 10:46 AM (#2396091)
Has anyone ever known anyone drafted or thought they were going to get drafted? Its kind of an exciting experience. A guy that lived in my apartment complex was drafted twice (and once out of high school). My roommate was the catcher and he wasn't all that great, but he did have a scout contact him and tell him they were considering taking him. We sat by the computer all day checking for his name, but it never came up and he never got the call. But for a few hours there we were thinking - wow, he's going to play professional baseball!

The guy in our complex did get the call though and ended up playing in the Phillies system for a year or two.
   125. 1k5v3L Posted: June 07, 2007 at 10:54 AM (#2396097)
BA is now projecting Porcello to drop to the Rangers at #24.


I'd rather see AZ take Weathers at 9 rather than Schmidt. Moskos would be a nice pick there.
   126. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 07, 2007 at 11:14 AM (#2396120)
"Has anyone ever known anyone drafted or thought they were going to get drafted?"

A couple of people. The nephew of a guy who owns a bar where I have lunch sometimes (first rounder a while back), and a kid from my freshman dorm in college (wasn't drafted, but seemed like he would be when he came in - freshman All-American).

BA apparently thinks a kid from my high school's getting drafted this year, which is kind of funny.
   127. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 07, 2007 at 11:15 AM (#2396121)
Oh, and my boss's nephew had people whispering in his ear that he might be picked last year, though it didn't seem like a very realistic possibility to me at the time. I sent him a copy of "Dollar Sign on the Muscle" anyway, just to be on the safe side.
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