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1. ckash
Posted: May 19, 2008 at 09:17 PM (#2786913)
I get it now...100 seasons/4 major sports=25 years.
If they are going to include College Basketball, Villanova did win in '85, not that that isn't a long time ago in and of itself.
Yeah, it's been painful but it hasn't killed me so I guess I'm stronger.
Cleveland has been without a championship since '64. Between the Indians, Browns, Cavs, and briefly the Barons, that's what, 128 seasons of heartbreak?
I figured this out awhile back for no good reason. (For the record, I didn't count the hockey season that got wiped out by the strike, but I did count the 1994 baseball season. That probably doesn't make sense, but I'm not changing it right now.)
Most team seasons without a championship:
1. Cleveland (127)
2. San Diego (100)
3. Philadelphia (99)
4. Seattle (87)
5. Buffalo (87)
Most team seasons without reaching a championship game/series:
1. Minneapolis (59)
2. New Orleans (53)
3. Milwaukee (51)
4. Kansas City (45)
5. Toronto (41)
Longest time since championship:
1*. Ottawa (1927) - count it if you want, they didn't have a team for about 70 years
2. San Diego (1963), AFL
3. Cleveland (1964)
4. Buffalo (1965), AFL
5. New Orleans (never, first team in 1967)
Longest time since championship game/series:
1. New Orleans (1968), ABA
2. Milwaukee (1982)
3. Kansas City (1985)
4. Sacramento (never, first team in 1985-86)
5. Cincinnati (1990)
Never reached championship game: Columbus, Jacksonville, Memphis, Sacramento, San Jose.
Never won championship: Charlotte, Nashville, New Orleans, Orlando, Vancouver.
6. Philippe
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 03:15 AM (#2787318)
Ottawa won a couple Grey Cups since 1927. Same for Toronto post 1993 (I think). Since NFL championships are counted, CFL ones should be counted too.
7. Dag Nabbit
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 03:33 AM (#2787321)
Most team seasons without a championship:
1. Cleveland (127)
2. San Diego (100)
3. Philadelphia (99)
4. Seattle (87)
5. Buffalo (87)
Didn't Chicago go 109 without a championship from the 1963 Bears to the 1985 Bears? Five teams - four were 0-for-22, and the Bears won it on their 22nd try. Hawks haven't won since 1961. The Bulls, new in 1962 or 1963, didn't win until Jordan. Certainly the Bears & Cubs didn't win it. Did you count the Sting?
Since NFL championships are counted, CFL ones should be counted too.
Hilarious!
9. Philippe
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 07:54 AM (#2787337)
The joke is that Ottawa has just about the worst record of success in the CFL too. Haven't won the Grey Cup (in a 8 or 9-team league) since the late 1970s, and folded twice in that time.
The joke is that Ottawa has just about the worst record of success in the CFL too. Haven't won the Grey Cup (in a 8 or 9-team league) since the late 1970s, and folded twice in that time.
I wonder what city has lost the most teams, either by relocation or folding.
Off the top of my head, St. Louis had the Browns, football Cardinals and the basketball Hawks.
It's a good thing the author didn't take it back beyond 1983, to the nine different "Sewer Series" that the Phillies and the A's once staged, having both finished last in the same year, or to the two different times that the Sixers blew 3-1 leads to the Celtics in the Eastern Finals, or to the A's team that was the only pre-expansion team ever to go from the pennant to last place in one year, etc., etc.
I wonder what city has lost the most teams, either by relocation or folding.
Off the top of my head, St. Louis had the Browns, football Cardinals and the basketball Hawks.
Ah, but afaik St. Louis is also the only city to have stolen teams from the same city in two different sports, though naturally neither of these teams are still in St. Louis.
12. bunyon
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 08:46 AM (#2787352)
This kind of effort demands at least to be skimmed in full, if not read.
96. Yuk. You couldn't get me to eat a Pizza Hut pizza for free. But then the last time I ate there, five of the other seven people who were with me got as sick as I did.
83. "Demonizes"?
80. S/b much higher.
40. Ahh, couldn't've happened to a nicer guy.
29. If college counts, you gotta up that 100 a bit. But that's kind of a cheat, there's a lotta colleges.
25. That's not so bad, I think.
14. That sounds like a good moment to me. But heartbreaking, I suppose. Not that that seems to be the criterion for such as #80.
12. Was signing him worse than trading him for Derrick Coleman?
It's a good thing the author didn't take it back beyond 1983, to the nine different "Sewer Series" that the Phillies and the A's once staged, having both finished last in the same year, or to the two different times that the Sixers blew 3-1 leads to the Celtics in the Eastern Finals, or to the A's team that was the only pre-expansion team ever to go from the pennant to last place in one year, etc., etc.
That's why Philadelphians are handling this "Landmark" with relative ease. Generations upon generations of training.
Ah, but afaik St. Louis is also the only city to have stolen teams from the same city in two different sports, though naturally neither of these teams are still in St. Louis.
Cardinals: Chicago->St. Louis->Arizona
Rams: Cleveland->LA->St. Louis
What other team did StL swipe?
St. Louis grabbed both the Brewers and the Hawks from Milwaukee. You can look it up.
Of course when you mention the Cleveland Rams, has there ever been another city that lost a team within a few weeks after it had just won a championship? I think that this happened one other time, but I can't remember when.
17. villageidiom
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 09:18 AM (#2787375)
Longest time since championship:
1*. Ottawa (1927) - count it if you want, they didn't have a team for about 70 years
Hartford (none since 1876). Had an inaugural NL team. Then no teams for close to 100 years. The Whalers won the WHA championship... when they were in Boston; after they moved to Hartford they won no championships.
St. Louis grabbed both the Brewers and the Hawks from Milwaukee. You can look it up.
Never name your team the Browns. They will move to Baltimore and rename themselves for birds. It's a rule.
I was only counting current streaks. Should have mentioned that. And so I was also only counting cities currently with teams. And anyway, Troy and Rockford laugh at Hartford, as they're going on 137-year streaks.
(Edited to take Fort Wayne out, because if I'm counting the NA, I need to count the Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons in the NBL.)
19. haplo53
Posted: May 20, 2008 at 09:56 AM (#2787427)
#90 still gets me. That, the '02 (football) Giants and the '07 Mets are like my personal collapse trifecta.
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Yeah, it's been painful but it hasn't killed me so I guess I'm stronger.
Most team seasons without a championship:
1. Cleveland (127)
2. San Diego (100)
3. Philadelphia (99)
4. Seattle (87)
5. Buffalo (87)
Most team seasons without reaching a championship game/series:
1. Minneapolis (59)
2. New Orleans (53)
3. Milwaukee (51)
4. Kansas City (45)
5. Toronto (41)
Longest time since championship:
1*. Ottawa (1927) - count it if you want, they didn't have a team for about 70 years
2. San Diego (1963), AFL
3. Cleveland (1964)
4. Buffalo (1965), AFL
5. New Orleans (never, first team in 1967)
Longest time since championship game/series:
1. New Orleans (1968), ABA
2. Milwaukee (1982)
3. Kansas City (1985)
4. Sacramento (never, first team in 1985-86)
5. Cincinnati (1990)
Never reached championship game: Columbus, Jacksonville, Memphis, Sacramento, San Jose.
Never won championship: Charlotte, Nashville, New Orleans, Orlando, Vancouver.
1. Cleveland (127)
2. San Diego (100)
3. Philadelphia (99)
4. Seattle (87)
5. Buffalo (87)
Didn't Chicago go 109 without a championship from the 1963 Bears to the 1985 Bears? Five teams - four were 0-for-22, and the Bears won it on their 22nd try. Hawks haven't won since 1961. The Bulls, new in 1962 or 1963, didn't win until Jordan. Certainly the Bears & Cubs didn't win it. Did you count the Sting?
Or is it just current streaks?
Hilarious!
I wonder what city has lost the most teams, either by relocation or folding.
Off the top of my head, St. Louis had the Browns, football Cardinals and the basketball Hawks.
I wonder what city has lost the most teams, either by relocation or folding.
Off the top of my head, St. Louis had the Browns, football Cardinals and the basketball Hawks.
Ah, but afaik St. Louis is also the only city to have stolen teams from the same city in two different sports, though naturally neither of these teams are still in St. Louis.
Rams: Cleveland->LA->St. Louis
What other team did StL swipe?
Also Cleveland lost the Rams, Browns and Barons.
96. Yuk. You couldn't get me to eat a Pizza Hut pizza for free. But then the last time I ate there, five of the other seven people who were with me got as sick as I did.
83. "Demonizes"?
80. S/b much higher.
40. Ahh, couldn't've happened to a nicer guy.
29. If college counts, you gotta up that 100 a bit. But that's kind of a cheat, there's a lotta colleges.
25. That's not so bad, I think.
14. That sounds like a good moment to me. But heartbreaking, I suppose. Not that that seems to be the criterion for such as #80.
12. Was signing him worse than trading him for Derrick Coleman?
That's why Philadelphians are handling this "Landmark" with relative ease. Generations upon generations of training.
Cardinals: Chicago->St. Louis->Arizona
Rams: Cleveland->LA->St. Louis
What other team did StL swipe?
St. Louis grabbed both the Brewers and the Hawks from Milwaukee. You can look it up.
Of course when you mention the Cleveland Rams, has there ever been another city that lost a team within a few weeks after it had just won a championship? I think that this happened one other time, but I can't remember when.
Hartford (none since 1876). Had an inaugural NL team. Then no teams for close to 100 years. The Whalers won the WHA championship... when they were in Boston; after they moved to Hartford they won no championships.
Never name your team the Browns. They will move to Baltimore and rename themselves for birds. It's a rule.
(Edited to take Fort Wayne out, because if I'm counting the NA, I need to count the Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons in the NBL.)
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