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Friday, June 12, 2009
Singular lore of yore…
Caught stealing four times in one game. Accomplished by Robby Thompson, San Francisco Giants, June 27, 1986. It was a 12-inning game and the Giants kept sending their “fast” rookie, Thompson. And he kept getting caught. Four times.
What makes that even crazier is that, in the 149 games he played that season, he only successfully stole 12 bases (and was caught 15 times). So by late June, the Giants should’ve figured out that maybe he wasn’t the track star they thought he was.
FWIW, I love this guy’s site, as I imagine will a number of pop-culture interested (not obsessed) Primates with an obvious love of sports. Too bad he’s a Cleveland fan.
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AO
I wonder if there's a report or some such from an old-time reporter mentioning this: it must have been a riot to see this in person!!! (can you imagine being in the stands for something as bizarre as this?).
I remember reading about this when I was a kid in a book filled with stuff like that. I'm pretty sure this prompted a rule that you are no longer able to steal backwards.
Along those lines, tagging up once required fielders to catch the ball, not merely touch it. One old-time outfielder, when a runner was on third, would purposely bobble the ball while running toward the infield, only catching it when the runner was no longer a danger of scoring. The rule on contact was created to address this situation (but I'll be damned if I can find who the outfielder was who prompted the change. I used to think it was King Kelly, because he specialized in things like that, but I can't find evidence he was behind it).
No way. It's impossible that some team hasn't won 1-0 on a solo homer and zilch otherwise. Really?
A one-hitter, with no walks, errors or HPB, and the only hit being a HR? I'd imagine that we would have heard about it, if it had happened.
I find it hard to believe Baylor is the only one. Getting caught stealing without being put out isn't that uncommon, so I'd have guessed it has happened more than once.
And I'm glad Vander Meer's accomplishment is properly termed a feat. I hate when people say it's the one "record" that won't be broken, because until Vander Meer did it, no one ever recorded the number of consecutive no-hitters thrown.
July 30, 1971.
Orioles beat the Royals 1-0 on Frank Robinson's homer. No other Oriole reaches base.
Now, okay, the game only lasted 4 1/2 innings. But still, it happened.
Yes they did. Every time.
Rickey was never the first and tenth batter of an inning?
That's incredible, 18 innings and nothing to do in the field. He must have been pretty bored.
And Jeff, I think you were just having fun, but just to clarify, I don't think after any of the no-hitters that were thrown before Vander Meer, anyone said, "he's just tied the record for most consecutive no-hitters thrown."
I guess the other way of looking at it is: "If everyone else who has ever thrown a no-hitter is tied for second in this particular category, it's not something we should consider a record."
If this was one item out of 10, it would have killed the article.
SoSH, Baylor was caught stealing, got on base again when the team batted around, and was caught stealing a second time. I know I've read that he's the only one to do it, which is not to say my source was correct or that others might have been caught stealing but not put out twice in one innning.
The entire site is based on top 11 lists and he came up with 10, so putting Bonds at #11 the end is lame. Another amazing feat would have been great, instead he ends it poorly.
And I'm surprised that no one in the history of baseball has reached first, gotten picked off but the first baseman threw the ball wide of the shortstop and the runner was safe at second. Then, on the next pitch, he got caught trying to steal third.
That would be two caught stealings in the same inning, though only one putout.
I wouldn't be shocked if Baylor was the only player in history to get put out twice on caught stealings in the same inning.
The author meant that Schaefer is the only one to steal the same base during the same plate appearance/time-on-base in one inning. He was on first, stole second, stole his way bask to first, then stole second again. Different from stealing second twice after two plate appearances.
Well, he really had 11 even without the Bonds thing, because the Toby Harrah entry was a two-fer.
Great factoid. However, I think Jeffrey Leonard shares some of the blame here.
Roger Craig loved the hit-and-run, causing his teams to consistently have substandard stolen base percentages year after year. (The hitter would swing and miss, and suddenly Will Clark has 17 caught steals in 22 stolen base attempts on the year).
Well, Leonard was 0-for-6 that day with three strikeouts. Twice he struck out on Thompson caught steals. The other times Thompson's CS ended the inning. Looks like Leonard kept missing when he Craig called the play.
That's incredible, 18 innings and nothing to do in the field. He must have been pretty bored.
He passed the time by hitting a walk-off grandslam in one of the games.
He could have split up the Toby Harrah ones. I remember the "do-nothing record" appearing in the late-1970's Guinness book we had.
Anthony Reyes almost accomplished this, against the White Sox a few years ago: he threw a complete-game one-hitter with no walks, with the only hit being a Jim Thome homer to give the Sox a 1-0 win. One other batter did reach, though, on an error by So Taguchi.
Yeah, but it's still lame. If you're going to do something like that, make it funny.
Even more amazing. And then intentionally walked the previous batter. Ouch.
Surely you meant to ask "Has anyone besides Tippy Martinez been able to get away with three uncalled balks in the same inning?"
And for a spell, Toby was the only active big leaguer with a palindromic last name.
That happens about every time Andy Pettite pitches.
There haven't been many. Mark Salas is another. I think battersbox.ca had an entry on this once.
GGC beat me to Salas, who arrived late in Harrah's career. Dave Otto is another. I tried to do the all-Palindrome team once, but couldn't come up with enough names.
Courtesy of Baseball Almanac
Fred Lynn is the only person to hit a grandslam in an All-Star game.
Is that the wrong game for Nixon? Was it Donell or Otis? That game featured a 3-for-3 w/2 BB performance by Otis, but it seemed from the game description that his two CS's were in separate innings (once in the 1st, once in the 4th).
I'd put an asterisk next to this one -- "caught stealing" was only intermittently kept as an official stat by the AL until 1920 and the NL until 1951 (h/t BB-Ref Bullpen). I'm reasonably sure somebody matched Thompson's feat 90-100 years ago.
Well, Leonard was 0-for-6 that day with three strikeouts. Twice he struck out on Thompson caught steals. The other times Thompson's CS ended the inning. Looks like Leonard kept missing when he Craig called the play.
Craig certainly did have a fetish for the hit-and-run, and the squeeze, both of which contributed to a high proportion of the CS of his teams.
But in this particular game (which I listened to on the radio), only one of Thompson's CS was a botched hit-and-run. The first two times he was just attempting to steal because there were two outs, trying to get into scoring position, and the final time he got picked off, and it was scored a CS because they threw him out going for second after the pitcher picked him off first.
Given the extremely high rate of CS that we know of in those days, I'd be surprised if no one did it before Thompson.
To continue the back-to-back inside the park HR thing...I believe IPHRs by both teams in the same inning has only happened once. Sosa for the Cubs, Womack for the Bucs on memorial day 1997. Think I remember ESPN saying that was unprecedented. Any way to confirm?
It's almost as if he was exaggerating for comedic effect.
If a team is hitting so well that a guy has the chance to get on first twice in the same inning, I'd imagine that the manager would probably kill him if he risked getting caught stealing the second time he got on base. Also, the odds are going to be good that the base in front of him is blocked with another runner, and that the unwritten rules of baseball ("Don't run with a big lead") are going to kick in.
Steve Treder:
Perfect.
Dick Nen. Harrah's probably the longest palindrome though.
(minimum 10-year career)
(Actually, his ratio was only 162 CS to 171 XBH)
It may be that no player has ever achieved that feat, at least since they started keeping track of stolen-base ratio in 1950. Most players with no power and lots of speed manage to hit doubles, at least. Not Billy North.
Billy North was also the first player ever used as a DH by the Athletics, during the 1973 World Series season. He was third on the team in average, OBP, and walks, with a 110 OPS+ despite a .348 slugging percentage. Seems like kind of an unusual set of skills.
Well, yeah, but the odds are almost as good that the bases would've been cleared by a homer. The first point (probably combined with the "unwritten rule" point), I can see.
Still surprising it's NEVER happened.
i'm sorry, but this does not compute. of course the jays had men 'on base'. they touched first, second and third on the way home. they sure as heck were credited with the bases in their stats. to my way of thinking, the only way to win a game with no one on base is to be awarded a forfeit if the other team doesn't show up or you have a big rhubarb on the field before getting a man on base, the umps toss everybody on the field and the other team gets the forfeit. something like that.
I think its four or five based on my memories of that post game show.
It's happened several times. Rip Collins (twice), Earl Torgeson, Dolph Camilli, Gary Thomasson, and Len Matuszek all played full games at first base without recording a putout.
I seem to recall that someone once had two sacrifice flies in an inning based on the same principle. The first time, the outfielder dropped the fly ball for an error, but they gave the batter a SF anyway. Then the second time, it was a legit sacrifice fly.
I'll try to look it up if I have time.
EDIT: As a side note, Otis went homerless in 1991. It must have been another year.
Juan Encarnicion did this for the Tigers against the Rangers in 1999. However, I don't know if this was the first game of the day, or if there was a game played the day before this.
AO
Also:
Is there a way to search for all the double plays that can be scored "8"? How common is that?
Robb Nen? This is tough...
Is there any reason you can't do this on a medium depth (too shallow to tag) flyball to the outfield with runners in a would-be infield fly rule situation? Begin bobbling the ball as you move toward the infield. If a runner takes off, catch the ball and throw him out. If not, bobble until you're close to the infield, drop the ball, and throw to third to begin a double play.
Dick Nen
Robb Nen
Eddie Kazak
Toby Harrah
Johnny Reder
Dave Otto
Truck Hannah
I'm pretty sure the rules specify you can't intentionally drop a ball (flyball or line drive) to create a forceout.
i am mixed up. what i'm trying to remember is a 1-0 victory by the braves wherein their only hit was a solo homer. nixon saved the game by going over the fence and stealing a homer from the other team. i keep thinking it was the pirates, and it keep thinking nixon had hit the homer, but now i'm not sure. i believe it was 92. too lazy to look it up.
Hah--and I named Dick, rather than Robb. I'm old...
R. Nen should've gone by "Bob." Double palindrome!
A Duane Kuiper homer only happened once...
Theoretically you can get 6 hits in an inning, without scoring, I didn't know if any team had done that.
They do.
Moreover, the bobbling of the ball thing was a whole lot easier to pull off when one was wearing a King Kelly-style glove than a modern behemoth.
Did someone say Bob?
Larry Cheney of the Cubs pitched a 14-hit shutout on Sept. 14, 1913. So did Milt Gaston of the Senators, on July 10, 1928.
It's possible someone got even more hits in a combined shutout, but I wouldn't bet on it.
(To better answer the question, Cheney pitched against the Giants, Gaston against the Indians)
There was also a game where Nippy Jones hit one out, but it didn't count because of a balk (rule was subsequently changed). Could that be one of a kind?
Needs a rewording: Only time a team has ever lost a (9 inning) game without a pitcher throwing a pitch with a man on base.
justice hit a solo homer, nixon made a highlight catch to steal a homer from pittsburgh. atlanta's only other baserunner was jeff blauser on a walk. worst year of my life, but this game was a little bright spot.
During my first and only visit to Fulton-Co. Stadium and a separate 1-0 game in 1991 involving the Braves, Darren Lewis lead off the game with a home run for the Giants and that was it for the scoring. There were other hits, but that was Darren Lewis' only HR in 262 plate appearances.
I wonder how many times that has happened, visiting team lead off HR being the only scoring.
How about no putouts or assists (fielding the ball and tossing it to the pitcher at first, or a force out at 2nd)?
How about a catcher with no putouts (or a team pitching an entire game without a strikeout)?
That wasn't extremely unusual in the old days.
A one-handed man throwing a no-hitter?
Talk to me when you find something unique in baseball history.
I guess that also means no foul-ball outs near home or plays at the plate.
The Indians beat the Red Sox 2-1 with no hits (they had 7 walks, 7 steals and one error) on April 12, 1992. they then lost the second game of the Double header 3-0 with Clemens throwing a two-hitter. (I've no idea idea if any other team has ever managed to split a double header behind two or fewer combined hits - feels like it has a pretty strong chance of being unique).
think about it. :-)
My post was in reference to the fact that Jim Abbott was not the only man to do it, despite what the article claims.
I would think that of all the things that haven't happened but conceivably could, that would be near the top of the list.
Did Dock Ellis win his? I kind of think he shouldn't have.
There was the famous Nig Clarke eight-homer game, in the Texas League in 1902. Strangely enough, I've never heard of a five-, six- or seven-homer game, but they surely must have happened somewhere.
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