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BOLD! BOLD! Weiters! Weiters!
People watch hockey?
This better not be a repeat of 2005, when they also picked one slot ahead of the Brewers, and grabbed Zimmerman (who before the draft, I really, really wanted to see fall to Milwaukee - not that Braun was a bad second choice). If they grab Wieters...
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/draft/2007/notebooks/davidrawnsley/notebook_6607.aspx
Dave Rawnsley, the guy doing it, who will be working on ESPN2 tomorrow, notes that Royals GM Dayton Moore watched Jarrod Parker pitch this week. So Parker is looking like the fall back for pick #2.
This should be fun.
I can't work out why we are 55 but read somewhere, that the Lugo signing is the reason.
Thanks in advance, if possible.
Draft starts ar midnight local time, but I'll be up at 5.30 to watch Schiling lose, should be a great day!
Apparently not. A local sports wag was looking at the ratings and Game 2 or 3 had lower ratings than 2 episodes of "Mama's Family" on Ion (former PAX, apparently).
Apparently not. »
Americans don't watch hockey. But others do. But you should, it's a fun game. Only in hockey (and maybe soccer) can a guy score in his own net during the last game of the final...
As in baseball, there are very few player chosen during the NHL draft that have an impact right after they are taken. Most of them go back to Junior hockey or to the NCAA and just crack the NHL lineup 2-4 years after they were drafted. Despite this, the draft always draws a lot of (Canadian) fans either on TV or directly in the arena where it takes place.
He'll be the first Quebec-born player (and first French-Canadian) to be chosen in the first round (that's if you exclude Ntema Ndungidi, who was a sandwich pick), and that's something many people here are very excited about.
This one.
The compensatory picks for Type A free agents were awarded as follows: if a team drafted in the second half of the first round, they lost their first-round pick. Otherwise, they lost their second-round pick. Teams that signed more than one Type A free agent - the Orioles, Indians, Astros, and Giants - gave up multiple picks, based on how the free agents were ranked. For example, SF signed Zito, Rich Aurilia, and Dave Roberts, who were ranked in that order among the Type A free agents. Because SF drafts #10 in the first round, they got to keep that pick. The A's therefore got the Giants' second-round pick, the Reds their third-round pick, and their Padres the fourth-round pick. The Indians signed Roberto Hernandez and David Dellucci, and Hernandez was ranked higher than Dellucci in the Type A list (believe it or not); thus the Mets got Cleveland's second-round pick and the Phillies their third-rounder. The Astros signed Carlos Lee and Woody Williams; since Houston drafted at #17, they lost their first-round pick to the Rangers and their second-rounder to the Padres.
-- MWE
-- MWE
And puckbunnies
Not exactly. I think he means that a couple of the teams drafting in front of the Brewers will take players who the Brewers thought would be available to them at #7, so they may have to go down their list to #8 or #9. (which makes it pretty clear, IMO, that the Brewers won't take a player high on that list that drops.)
With the new compensatory draft pick rule, I'm amazed that signability is playing as much of a role in this draft as it appears to be.
-- MWE
Something to sink my teeth into before I go to bed.
Enjoy the day everyone
Numb.
Here's a novel idea that will never get implemented. Implement a rule that teams can only have 1 minor league team (place for players not in the majors to play or rehab). Let the other minor leagues go back to being independent.
- It would make the draft alot more interesting, because the players you select would be alot closer to the majors and helping your team out (like the NBA / NFL).
- The draft would be shorter and less of a crap shoot so it would actually help competitive balance (if we didn't let Boras tactics ruin it).
- It would make minor league baseball alot more interesting since teams would be more focused on winning than developing players.
He did, but not before signing with the Indians.
Here's a novel idea that will never get implemented. Implement a rule that teams can only have 1 minor league team (place for players not in the majors to play or rehab). Let the other minor leagues go back to being independent.
- It would make the draft alot more interesting, because the players you select would be alot closer to the majors and helping your team out (like the NBA / NFL).
- The draft would be shorter and less of a crap shoot so it would actually help competitive balance (if we didn't let Boras tactics ruin it).
- It would make minor league baseball alot more interesting since teams would be more focused on winning than developing players.
Wouldn't this just cause a ton of players to be in the big leagues who have no business being there? Kinda like the bonus baby days of the 50s? And to solve what? The need for fans to see immediate impact? I'd also think it would increase the costs teams have to pay draftees since they would make a quicker impact.
He did, but not before he signed with the Indians as a free agent.
With the new, very soon deadline to sign draft picks, sign and follow is not an option late, but signability is huge. Boras was ready to let Matsuzaka go back to Japan in order to change the posting system; you think he won't hesitate to let Wieters or Porcello take it on the chin as a protest to the August 15th signing date?
That's incredibly easy to do. Eliminate pre-FA arbitration and make players FA's after 3 years of MLB service(like NBA and NFL players). This would seriously devalue draft picks, so signing bonuses would go down a lot. Of course, this would totally screw over lower revenue teams, but hey, you said anything.
This would just result in every pick projected to go in the top few rounds demanding a major league contract.
No, I mean a uniform salary for all minor leaguers. Even if you're on the 40-man, you still don't make ML money until you're called up.
First round draftees don't make huge salaries (unles they have MLB contracts), do they? They just get a crapload in signing bonuses.
Yeah, it's baffling me too. They are comparing Porcello to Beckett. I know high school righties are the biggest risk in the draft, but you can't afford to pass on a guy like this. He's probably alot more likely to pan out than any other high school righty in the draft. You have only a few chances to draft this high, don't turn your #2 pick into a #3 or #10 pick because you are too cheap to sign the second best player.
Don't worry, the Royals will have plenty of chances to draft in the top few spots.
-- MWE
Except that then the union will get involved as they cover everyone with a major league contract, don't they? In which case, this is a no go from the start.
Perhaps I'm not explaining it well. Let me try again.
You add up the cumulative total of all salaries and signing bonuses paid to new draftees/NDFA signings/minor-league players last year, and figure out what % that is of MLB gross revenues to establish a baseline. Then, you divide that money equally among all players in the minors. You can either not pay signing bonuses to anybody and have it all paid out as pure salary, or you can pay a small (uniform) bonus to all players who were just drafted or are signing as a free agent with a team in the organized minors for the first time.
Last year the reports were the Royals had settled on Brad Lincoln. Sometimes I think the Royals are running around like a chicken with its head cut-off on draft day. I don't even think they know who they're taking.
Maybe not. You'd have to negotiate any changes with the union anyway, since it'd affect the draft, and if they've got good negotiators they'll be open to most proposals as long as you're willing to offer them something significant back in return.
Personally, I think the union would be more than willing to bargain away the rights of people who aren't actually members yet, in exchange for some tangible consideration for themselves (higher minimum salaries in MLB, better pensions, etc.).
An owner in my NL only keeper league won't be happy. He also has Ryan Dent and Justin Jackson
Which isn't necessarily such a bad thing, IMO. The bad players are going to need it more, down the road.
"There are much easier ways of accomplishing your goal without destroying the link between compensation and performance/talent"
Ah, but what we have right now isn't a link between compensation and performance/talent, either. What we have right now is a link between compensation and perceived performance/talent. Not the same thing. If a 24th-round pick comes in and tears up the Pioneer League, it's not going to have any real effect on his paycheck the next season.
-- MWE
As for some of the suggestions - well, let's just say that owners have through the years tried what some have suggested (since the draft was started, anyway). During the 1970s and 1980s, drastic cuts were made in the number of affiliated minor league teams. The owners are quite happy to cut costs (getting rid of the complex leagues, for example) and would love to force slotting on incoming draftees.
Why not just eliminate the draft altogether? Go back to the ivory hunter days of Hugh Alexander adn Sinister Dick Kensella.
Which I'd love to see anyway, because its kinda turned the draft into a joke.
I strongly advocate this, for many reasons.
The tradeoff that MLB would have to give the MLBPA in order to get NBA-style slotting would be the elimination of draft pick compensation.
-- MWE
I don't see draft picks becoming a valuable trade commodity, even if it is allowed. Baseball draft picks aren't expected to step in and begin contributing immediately, the way they do in football and basketball, so they're not going to engender as much interest.
I could see it happening every once in a long while, if some amateur is just blowing everyone away (like Mark Prior in 2001), but guys like that are pretty few and far-between.
Teams that are picking high will be able to draft a 'signability' guy, make a take it or leave it offer, and take the draft pick the next season if the player decides to leave it. No big loss if he doesn't take it. A good deal if he does.
I expect the news out of this draft will be the much small signing bonuses offered by teams, and come August 15th Scott Boras will be gleefully derided by the media as having lost much of his mojo.
I wouldn't mind seeing free agency decoupled from the draft altogether, and instead going back to allowing teams losing free agents to choose from a small pool of minor leaguers (no stud prospects or anything) from the team that signed their free agent.
Can't see the union ever going for that though.
I can't see the how the trading of draft picks and the FA compensation system can coexist.
...which-can't-happen-w/o-mgmt-losing-control-over-some-traditional-negotiated-aspects-of-the-cba.
thus,it-can't-happen.
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ms-outlook-and-sometimes-puts-my-computer-in-standby-mode.very,very-annoying.]
BA: Royals taking Moustakas
Jim Callis, on his way to a Chicagoland studio to participate in ESPN’s draft coverage, reports the Royals appear to have settled on Mike Moustakas with the No. 2 overall pick. That would slide Josh Vitters to the Cubs at No. 3. The Royals looked like they were on Vitters at 2 last night, but they now have changed their minds. Indiana prep righty Jarrod Parker is the odd man out in this scenario, dropping from the Cubs at 3, probably to the Diamondbacks at 9 or Giants at 10. He won’t get past the Marlins at 12.
This leaves the Orioles as the biggest question mark in the first five picks. Stay tuned.
That was my thought exactly. If you're the Pirates why not draft Wieters or Porcello? What do you have to lose??
May be, may be not, I don't think the MLBPA really cares all that much about guys before they become members-
very many people in the Union may see the bonuses paid top draft picks as money that theteams are going to spend on players- and would therefore be going to them if they weren't going to draft picks-
also many players in the MLBPA never received a huge signing bonus and do not make more than a million or 2 a year and may therefore resent someone fresh out of school who "hasn't paid there dues" making so much money.
Of course the Union will want something from MLB in order to make a "concession"- and perhaps elimination of draft pick compensation would be the ideal "somthing" from their point of view
-- MWE
I just want my small market team to have a better chance at the top players.
a year...
Actually if I was Porcello I wouldn't want to sign with Pittsburg at any price, but that's another issue.
Let's say Pitt does draft Porcello- and offers him The KC Hochevar deal (minus the MLB contract part- you can't put a HS pitcher on your 40 man)
add 5 % for inflation after Boras says no.
then what?
you get an extra #1 NEXT year- at #5- if Porcello doesn't sign
they could also anonymously email Porcello links about Matt Harrington... (hell they may not have to- someone may do it for them)
I, too, want my small-market team to have a better chance at the top players.
Yeah, but your small market team is run by Dave Littlefield.
Reminds me of when Todd Van poppel told the then awful Braves organization not to draft him because he would not sign with them, leading them to draft one Chipper Jones. As a Braves fan, I can only say "Thank you Todd Van Poppel".
In 1990 the Braves were terrible, but then Cox then demoted himself to manager and the Braves hired Schuerholz as GM
McClatchy and Littlefield still run the Pirates... and apparently will continue for the foreseeable future.
If even just Littlefield was gone- and his repalcement was an unknown quality- thenI'd say sure sign with Pittsburg- its' a crapshoot anyway
Without changes Pitt's not a crapshoot right now- the organization sucks rocks
Unfortunately, not even collective bargaining can solve the Littlefield problem.
Teams that "have no chance" at getting top players are those that pick outside of the first round (or at the tail end of it).
Aw, let me ##### a little. My team's about a half-hour away from sticking itself with Dan Moskos.
I am sorry about that. I cheer for the Pirates too (my father grew up in Grove City) and am frustrated that they're about to pass up a top talent like Wieters or Porcello in favor of some cheap crappy player like Moskos. It sucks.
How much faith would you have in your labrum though?
I dunno. I just think it's bad for the sport to have teams as consistently dumb and pathetic as the Pirates in the league. It kind of cheapens it for everybody else.
True dat.
I was also pulling for the socialist solution up above because I think it'd be a workable proxy for a minor-league players' union, which doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon (although it should).
Perfect faith. Try telling Mr. Top Prospect that he's going to get injured if he pitches for the Pirates, but won't get injured on the Red Sox, and he'll laugh at you.
I think he means faith that you won't get hurt working out with the Long Island Ducks before the next draft, or won't blow up your arm for the greater glory of Wichita State.
No it won't, major league teams will always put development over winning at the minor league level. I work for an AHL team and late in the season our parent organization signed one it's top prospects and assigned him to us. He wasn't ready, but they played him--with significant minutes--over players who gave them a better chance of winning in the playoffs. His presence in the lineup drastically altered our special teams, which were our bread and butter during the regular season, and that ultimately doomed us in the playoffs. If winning on the minor league level was the focus, he wouldn't have played but a game or two in the playoffs, if at all. Yeah, it's just one player and one team but that's the way it is in the minors. Lowering the number of levels a player can develop at would only further escalate the focus on developing over winning. Your top hitting prospect not doing well? Now you can't send him down a level so you're options are bench him--which you're not going to do because of the money you've invested in him, or continue to play him, which is what would happen.
It would make the draft alot more interesting, because the players you select would be alot closer to the majors and helping your team out
Huh? How would the amount of minor league teams affect the readiness of a prospect? If a player is not ready, he's not ready, regardless of if there's 1 minor league team or 4.
Nevermind.
Well, the draft would be shorter and teams would go after polished college picks or the occasional HS superstar that's by consensus a year or two away from the majors. Not that I see that as an improvement myself...
It's in Orlando, which means there are probably more Jets fans locally than Rays fans.
Daryl Strawberry is there and was called a "dignitary".
-- MWE
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