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Saturday, December 12, 2009

2009 Non-Tender Day: Giving a boost to America’s unemployment rate

Garrett Atkins has already joined the unemployment line, with more to surely follow on this Saturday.

NTNgod Posted: December 12, 2009 at 05:01 AM | 110 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. J. Michael Neal Posted: December 12, 2009 at 05:23 AM (#3410665)
So, does this constitute going on an Atkins diet?
   2. T.J. Posted: December 12, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3410719)
   3. Tricky Dick Posted: December 12, 2009 at 03:42 PM (#3410732)
The Rockies also sold the rights of another arbitration-eligible player, outfielder Matt Murton, to the Hanshin Tigers in Japan.


I didn't realize Matt Murton is going to Japan. You would think some major league team would have use for him as a 4th outfielder.
   4. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 06:47 PM (#3410820)
You would think some major league team would have use for him as a 4th outfielder.
Japan pays better for a starter than MLB does for a fourth outfielder (mistakes excepted).

Also Seth McClung.
   5. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: December 12, 2009 at 06:50 PM (#3410821)
Say, do these guys qualify for state unemployment? I'd guess that they generally do.

Hard for me to feel like these guys really need the money, though.
   6. ess eff Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:01 PM (#3410828)
Also Seth McClung


I was honnered to be a big part of the 08 team that made the play offs. I had a great year, starting in the middle of the season and then pitching out of the pen. My favorite memorey to date is finishing the game late September vs the cubs. Again thank you Milwaukee I was honnered to be a brewer.

Rather than rag on him for the spelling errors, etc., I'll salute him for being genuine. This is one public statement by an athlete that clearly wasn't written for him by his agent's people.
   7. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:05 PM (#3410833)
Indeed. Written better than more than half the papers I get, too.
   8. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3410837)
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3410840)
Hard for me to feel like these guys really need the money, though.

They pay the UE insurance taxes just like everybody else. It's insurance, not welfare, just like Social Security;they should have no qualms about collecting.

Although, if you're a recognizable guy (not Seth McClung) you probably don't want to go stand in line at the UE office and take grief, so probably don't bother.
   10. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:31 PM (#3410852)
The Braves non-tendered Kelly Johnson and Ryan Church.

I would like the Mets to sign Johnson.
   11. MM1f Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:35 PM (#3410856)
Although, if you're a recognizable guy (not Seth McClung)

If you've ever seen Seth McClung in your life, you'd recognize him. He is 6'6 and 260 pounds of flaming red hair
   12. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:36 PM (#3410857)
I'd expect the Yanks to probably resign Wang to a "small" rehab contract. I'd like to see the Cubs pick up Johnson and maybe Church too (depending on money, he's probably better than Hoffpauir).
   13. rlc Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:37 PM (#3410858)
Although, if you're a recognizable guy (not Seth McClung) you probably don't want to go stand in line at the UE office

Wouldn't he send his agent down to collect? Of course, the leech would then skim off 10%...
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:39 PM (#3410862)
Wouldn't he send his agent down to collect? Of course, the leech would then skim off 10%...

I'm pretty sure everyone has to appear in person at least once, and a second time if you collect for a while. That's not the kind of thing petty government bureaucrats will let you out of b/c you're semi-famous.

The weekly checks come direct deposit these days.
   15. JH (in DC) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:42 PM (#3410864)
   16. ess eff Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:42 PM (#3410865)
I happened to be in Nashville in August 2007 and went to a Friday night game at that old ballpark they have there. McClung was pitching against the Mets' Triple-A team. The thermometer and pitch radar both said 98.
   17. ess eff Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:45 PM (#3410867)
Wouldn't he send his agent down to collect? Of course, the leech would then skim off 10%...

I'm pretty sure everyone has to appear in person at least once, and a second time if you collect for a while. That's not the kind of thing petty government bureaucrats will let you out of b/c you're semi-famous.

The weekly checks come direct deposit these days.


In Cali, you don't have to go anywhere. You can apply online and someone will call and interview you for confirmation, details, disqualifying information, etc. And they do send paper checks in the mail still, every two weeks.
   18. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:57 PM (#3410875)
Even though I expected KJ to get N-T'd, it's still upsetting. Someone is gonna get a pretty good baseball player.
   19. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:58 PM (#3410876)
In Cali, you don't have to go anywhere. You can apply online and someone will call and interview you for confirmation, details, disqualifying information, etc.
Same with Texas.
   20. hscs Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3410879)
In Cali, you don't have to go anywhere. You can apply online and someone will call and interview you for confirmation, details, disqualifying information, etc. And they do send paper checks in the mail still, every two weeks.

I think social welfare programs are something a government is obligated to provide, but it shouldn't be THAT easy to collect money.
   21. Tripon Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3410881)


I think social welfare programs are something a government is obligated to provide, but it shouldn't be THAT easy to collect money.


Dude, having the option to never leave your bed? You should only be so lucky.
   22. Petooter: 11'6" 355 lbs of scrap and grit Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:10 PM (#3410886)
Even though I expected KJ to get N-T'd, it's still upsetting. Someone is gonna get a pretty good baseball player.

Agree. As a Red Sox fan, I'd like my team to take a flyer on him even though he'd be a fairly poor fit for the roster. I imagine many teams' followers feel the same.

I guess it's just a question of putting him to good use. I don't know that I've ever actually seen him play, and his profile strikes me as strange. From decent-to-good prospect to eclipsed by a utility player to non-tendered in what seems like a very short period of time; what looks like a reverse platoon split over his MLB career; some undefined level of defensive ability at two positions at near-opposite ends of the spectrum? Can anybody sum this guy up for me?
   23. JJ1986 Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3410889)
I would like the Mets to sign Johnson.

This would make me very happy.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3410892)
I guess it's just a question of putting him to good use. I don't know that I've ever actually seen him play, and his profile strikes me as strange. From decent-to-good prospect to eclipsed by a utility player to non-tendered in what seems like a very short period of time; what looks like a reverse platoon split over his MLB career; some undefined level of defensive ability at two positions at near-opposite ends of the spectrum? Can anybody sum this guy up for me?

I didn't see him much last year, but before that, he's a patient hitter with a good eye prone to slumping and then getting overly aggressive. He was a shorstop, then a third baseman, moved to the outfield because that's where the team needed him. He had arm surgery and now supposedly can't play anywhere other than second because he can't throw. To my eye, he's a good second baseman.
   25. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:23 PM (#3410893)
Sure, Alfredo Amezaga will listen if, um, somebody calls.
   26. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:30 PM (#3410899)
UZR has Johnson as being below average at second. He's probably around average as he doesn't look exceptional in either a good way or bad way out there. I don't think the Mets will sign him. He won't sign there with Castillo in the fold and if the Mets do sign Castillo, the Mets will sign Hudson. My guess is that he ends up in Florida after they trade Uggla.
   27. The Pequod Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:31 PM (#3410900)
Indians fans will never forget Seth f'ing McClung, that's for sure.
   28. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:55 PM (#3410912)
I've been wondering....

Why say "X team will non-tender Y player"

Wouldn't it be better to just say "X team won't tender Y player"?

Similarly, why is it called the "non-tender" deadline. "Tender" deadline sounds more positive, doesn't it?

Little more positive talk.....hehe
   29. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: December 12, 2009 at 08:57 PM (#3410913)
KJ's biggest defensive issue is going to his right (both range and consistency). He's perfectly average to good in just about every other defensive category.

He didn't look totally himself at the plate last year (possibly because of inconsistent playing time, but I would chalk most of his struggles up to BABIP.
   30. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:04 PM (#3410919)
I collected unemployment in New York for awhile a few years ago. Everything was done online and I never spoke to a single person at any office. Instead of paper checks or direct deposits into your account, they gave you debit card and every week I re-applied online and filled out the have-you-been-looking-for-work questionnaire. Every week, like clockwork, money was put into my debit card account. It was super-convenient but this was before things got REALLY bad. I'm expecting to be laid off by year's end and I'm curious if the process will be as easy as last time.
   31. Mike A Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:23 PM (#3410928)
KJ had a really awful month in June (.396 OPS). What many don't realize is he had a wrist injury at the time. He got cortisone shots and went on a rehab assignment, then proceeded to put up a nice .850 OPS in the 2nd half in limited time. He's a solid player. Whoever gets him should be happy, and it's disappointing that he (likely) is no longer a Brave.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:23 PM (#3410930)
Do you folks have any idea how much overhead it takes to personally interview hundreds of thousands of the jobless every week? Those costs far outstrip the rare instances of welfare fraud. Not to mention all the time and money used by the recipients to get to/from the office and wait in line?

And, as noted, it's insurance and recipients have been paying their premiums through taxes -- why should people have to go through a major hassle to collect their insurance?
   33. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:28 PM (#3410934)
Other interesting news in the Rox article is that they've signed Ianetta for 3/$8.5. That seems good to me but it also seems a little odd since they seemed to prefer Torrealba by the end of the season. I'm also really surprised that they couldn't trade Atkins for something ... well, assuming a non-tender then sign could be worked out.
   34. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:40 PM (#3410941)
The Rockies would still like to get Torrealba back in primarily a backup role, but they've made it clear that Iannetta is the catcher of the future.
   35. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:40 PM (#3410942)
Little more positive talk.....hehe
Bah. ####### optimists.

Braves have tendered offers to Peter Moylan and Boone Logan
Marlins will tender offers to Dan Uggla, Jorge Cantu, Ricky Nolasco, Cody Ross, Josh Johnson, Leo Nunez, and Renyel Pinto
Astros will tender offers to Michael Bourn, Hunter Pence, Wandy Rodriguez, Matt Lindstrom, Tim Byrdak, Chris Sampson, Jeff Keppinger, and Humberto Quintero
Orioles will sign Matt Albers and Cla Meredith
Rays will sign Randy Choate
   36. Tripon Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3410943)

The Rockies would still like to get Torrealba back in primarily a backup role, but they've made it clear that Iannetta is the catcher of the future.


You're dealing with Jim Tracy here. Torrealba made 30 starts of the last 32 games for the Rockies, Jim Tracy isn't going to let his man crush stop just because the front office likes Iannetta.
   37. hscs Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:48 PM (#3410944)
Do you folks have any idea how much overhead it takes to personally interview hundreds of thousands of the jobless every week? Those costs far outstrip the rare instances of welfare fraud. Not to mention all the time and money used by the recipients to get to/from the office and wait in line?


I have no idea how much it costs to interview hundreds of thousands of the jobless. I'm sure it costs plenty to create and maintain online unemployment applications, but automating part of the process surely saved some $. The welfare queen has always been a myth. How dare you.

I don't like to see people take unemployment because they prefer it to being underemployed or have given up on looking for work. I understand extending unemployment is for the greater good, but there are people out there doing a disservice to themselves and the rest of us. Can I whine about that?
   38. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:54 PM (#3410946)
I've been wondering....

Why say "X team will non-tender Y player"

Wouldn't it be better to just say "X team won't tender Y player"?

Similarly, why is it called the "non-tender" deadline. "Tender" deadline sounds more positive, doesn't it?

Little more positive talk.....hehe
And why do they call it the "foul pole" when it's really a fair pole?
   39. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3410948)
How does unemployment work? Can I just quit my job and collect, or do I have to get laid off?
   40. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:59 PM (#3410949)
You can't quit or retire.

Cubs will tender offers to Carlos Marmol, Ryan Theriot, Jeff Baker, Angel Guzman, Sean Marshall, Koyie Hill, Tom Gorzelanny, and Mike Fontenot
Cubs will non-tender Neal Cotts
   41. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2009 at 10:09 PM (#3410955)
Scott Olsen will not be tendered a contract. He's an interesting arm, no?
   42. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 10:09 PM (#3410956)
Jonny Gomes is wondering how unemployment insurance works in Ohio.
   43. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: December 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM (#3410957)
In response to "I understand extending unemployment is for the greater good, but there are people out there doing a disservice to themselves and the rest of us.":

As someone who has been employed everyday since I turned 15, I really think we could improve productivity in the country if we streamlined job application processes. The biggest skills required to get the vast majority of jobs tend to be soft HR friendly skills which have next to nothing to do with the actual skills needed to perform well at the job.

In order to get a teaching job, you have to stand in line for hours on a second class entry pass at job fairs as TFA kids who have had five week training fly past you, talk to some lackey the principal has sent, and then hope that you answer their "name your top three weaknesses" questions in such a way that they throw your resume in the "good" pile. Then the principal hires their best friend's kid for the position.

Sure, most of us make it through, and some of us actually get to choose, but the vast majority just end up somewhere and try to survive. And people wonder why teacher attrition and quality is suffering.

When I try to address this, I usually get the "times are tough, it sucks less for teachers than ______" but it misses the point. If we make our employment processes efficient and thoughtful, we may actually have more people efficiently and thoughtfully employed. A good job usually leads to a good quality of life and good production.

That some people get disillusioned and drop out should be seen as much as reflecting their good sense as reflecting some deep character flaw.
   44. Good cripple hitter Posted: December 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM (#3410967)
Jeremy Accardo has asked the Jays to nontender him. No word on whether the Jays will grant that request.
   45. RayDiPerna Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM (#3410977)
In order to get a teaching job, you have to stand in line for hours on a second class entry pass at job fairs as TFA kids who have had five week training fly past you, talk to some lackey the principal has sent, and then hope that you answer their "name your top three weaknesses" questions in such a way that they throw your resume in the "good" pile. Then the principal hires their best friend's kid for the position.


Sounds rough. In the private sector we just get hired without any sort of interviewing or vetting process. Just send in our resume and they call us to tell us what time to show up for work on the first day.

And it's very difficult to fire us, unlike with teachers.
   46. AJM Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:04 PM (#3410978)
I too would like to see the Mets sign Johnson.

Sure, Alfredo Amezaga will listen if, um, somebody calls.

The Marlins announcers won't be happy about that.
   47. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM (#3410989)
Baltimore throws Bass back, goes out for crabcakes.
   48. J. Michael Neal Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM (#3410990)
As Ray completely misses the point that Eraser-X was using teaching as an example to make the broader point that the way we do hiring in this country for all types of positions could use improvement.
   49. jwb Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:32 PM (#3410993)
Nationals non-tender Mike MacDougal, but that was expected since they bought out his option and the buyout plus what he would have gotten in arbitration was more than his option.
   50. Chris Needham Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM (#3410994)
Mike MacDougal is a free agent. The world may never bee the same.

Odds that he ends up on Houston with a multi-year deal?
   51. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM (#3410999)
Cust.
   52. Jim Wisinski Posted: December 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM (#3411002)
These guys wouldn't actually be able to collect unemployment though anyway, right? There are very very few of these guys who can't get at least a minor league contract within a few days if they want it.
   53. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM (#3411006)
Jack Cust, future White Sox DH.

These guys wouldn't actually be able to collect unemployment though anyway, right?
The rules vary from state to state on how many contacts you have to make. Obviously, quite a few of these guys will be signed before their paperwork would be processed.
   54. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM (#3411007)
I'm a little surprised the Cubs offered arb to Fontenot. Marmol and Theriot should get pretty nice awards and the other 6 guys must average about $1 M each at least. It's not a big deal but barring moving some salary, I pretty sure this puts them over last year's payroll.

Offering to Hill was also a little silly but clearly Lou has a man crush on him, so I knew it was gonna happen.
   55. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM (#3411008)
Jeremy Accardo has asked the Jays to nontender him. No word on whether the Jays will grant that request.
Nope, still a Jay.
   56. JH (in DC) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM (#3411011)
And on a positive note (see link in 15):

"The Nationals tendered contracts on Saturday to their five other arbitration-eligible players -- relievers Jason Bergmann, Sean Burnett and Brian Bruney; catcher Wil Nieves; and outfielder Josh Willingham."
   57. Lassus: Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:25 AM (#3411012)
Sounds rough. In the private sector we just get hired without any sort of interviewing or vetting process. Just send in our resume and they call us to tell us what time to show up for work on the first day.

And it's very difficult to fire us, unlike with teachers.


Jesus, Ray, get over yourself.
   58. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:38 AM (#3411014)
Sounds rough. In the private sector we just get hired without any sort of interviewing or vetting process. Just send in our resume and they call us to tell us what time to show up for work on the first day.


Is reading comprehension a requirement? How's that working out? :)


And it's very difficult to fire us, unlike with teachers.


There's little better in the world than misplaced sarcasm. Education's a little different than you remember it...
   59. Nasty Nate Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM (#3411016)

Why say "X team will non-tender Y player"

Wouldn't it be better to just say "X team won't tender Y player"?

Similarly, why is it called the "non-tender" deadline. "Tender" deadline sounds more positive, doesn't it?

Little more positive talk.....hehe


I have a cheese-shredder at home, which is its positive name. They don't call it by its negative name, cause no one would buy it: sponge-ruiner. Because I wanted to clean it, and now I have little bits of sponge... that would melt easily over tortilla chips.
   60. asinwreck Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:46 AM (#3411017)
As Ray completely misses the point that Eraser-X was using teaching as an example to make the broader point that the way we do hiring in this country for all types of positions could use improvement.


Blame his subpar reading comprehension on the incompetent teachers responsible for his education. If only someone could have fired them...
   61. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:50 AM (#3411018)

Blame his subpar reading comprehension on the incompetent teachers responsible for his education. If only someone could have fired them...


Awesome. I adore you.
   62. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:11 AM (#3411024)
Add DJ Carrasco to the list.
   63. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:20 AM (#3411025)
accardo stays a jay
nym n-t's sullivan, redding, reed, broadway
correia re-ups w/ sd
   64. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:26 AM (#3411026)
Jesus, Ray, get over yourself.

This is never going to happen.
   65. Lassus: Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:35 AM (#3411029)
nym n-t's... redding

I was hoping for taking him behind the tool shed and shooting him, but this will do.
   66. AJM Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:45 AM (#3411035)
broadway

Wouldn't it have been easier to just keep Castro instead of signing a dozen catchers?
   67. Something Other Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:45 AM (#3411036)
UZR has Johnson as being below average at second. He's probably around average as he doesn't look exceptional in either a good way or bad way out there. I don't think the Mets will sign him. He won't sign there with Castillo in the fold and if the Mets do sign Castillo, the Mets will sign Hudson. My guess is that he ends up in Florida after they trade Uggla.
I don't think the Mets will sign him either, but I'm trying to recall if the Mets had earlier offered the Braves a little something whether they could have gotten Johnson and his arb rights. [fuzzy today...] Then he could have backed up Castillo and liked it! (Or, you know, started.)
   68. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 01:58 AM (#3411040)
Brewers: DiFelice, Rivera out; Bush, Villanueva, Coffey, Gerut, Hart and Gomez in. Dave Bush? I figured he would be first in line at the exit door.
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:05 AM (#3411043)
"Wouldn't it have been easier to just keep Castro instead of signing a dozen catchers?"

Schneider, Santos, Castro - c'mon, it was an embarrassment of riches.
   70. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:07 AM (#3411044)
sea: langerhans
   71. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:11 AM (#3411045)
Schneider, Santos, Castro - c'mon, it was an embarrassment of riches.

I like Castro as a player but he was going to be a free agent at the end of the year and there was nothing wrong with seeing if Santos could caught it as a backup catcher. If the Mets wanted Castro, they could have signed him but he's not a difference maker.
   72. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:16 AM (#3411046)
DiFelice is out all of 2010 with an injury I believe. Is that a grievance or can teams let go guys with injuries like that?
   73. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:17 AM (#3411048)
I don't think the Mets will sign him either, but I'm trying to recall if the Mets had earlier offered the Braves a little something whether they could have gotten Johnson and his arb rights. [fuzzy today...] Then he could have backed up Castillo and liked it! (Or, you know, started.)

If you want him bad enough to pay him what he'd get in arb, you should be able to sign him because I don't think he'll get that much.
   74. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:24 AM (#3411051)
they can and they do all the time, ag1f. (key point is that they're simply allowing the contract to run out, as opposed to renewing it)
you're right about difelice, as you know. i bet they re-up him on a minor league deal while he rehabs.
   75. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:24 AM (#3411052)
Is that a grievance or can teams let go guys with injuries like that?
Yeah, labrum and rotator cuff surgery. My guess is they sign to an MLB deal worth less than he would get in arb. Less than 2009? I dunno.

Twins off contracts to all, including arbies Jesse Crain, Matt Guerrier, J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, Francisco Liriano, Pat Neshek, Delmon Young. Kelly Thesier looks far too cheery in her Twitter thumbnail pic.
Rays sign Cormier and Choate
Rangers sign Esteban German, tender offers to Scott Feldman, Chris Ray, Frank Francisco, C.J. Wilson, Dustin Nippert, Brandon McCarthy, and Josh Hamilton
White Sox tender offers to Bobby Jenks, John Danks, Carlos Quentin and Tony Pena. That's R. Tony Pena, not Tony F. Pena, the former KC ss who is also an rp-r now, somewhere in the Giants' system. We knew D.J. Carrasco was non-tendered, right?
   76. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:25 AM (#3411053)
That makes sense. I didn't know what the rules were on stuff like that. Thanks Der.

I think you could easily make a team of these non-tenders that could win more games than the Royals or Nats. I'd love to see any of Langerhans, Gomes, KJohnson or Church in KC this summer. Come on Dayton, this is one time where your ex-Braves fetish may be a plus.
   77. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:27 AM (#3411056)
marc topkin tweets gross (tb) n-t'd as expected.
   78. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:38 AM (#3411061)
Well, on offense anyway, AG#1F.

C (Navarro? Buck?)
1B (Garko?)
2B Johnson
3B Atkins
SS - (I guess Amezaga, by default)
LF Gomes/Gross
CF Reed
RF Church
DH Cust
Bench: C Rivera, UT Amezaga, OF Sullivan or Langerhans or Anderson
Rotation: Wang, Olsen, Redding
Bullpen: McClung, McDougal, Cotts, DiFelice, and Carrasco

Not all those pitchers can compete next year.
   79. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 02:59 AM (#3411076)
Diamondbacks tender offers to all arbies: Miguel Montero, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Edwin Jackson, Chad Qualls and Aaron Heilman
   80. RayDiPerna Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:24 AM (#3411087)
Blame his subpar reading comprehension on the incompetent teachers responsible for his education. If only someone could have fired them...


Exactly.
   81. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:24 AM (#3411088)
Scott Olsen will not be tendered a contract. He's an interesting arm, no?


Million-dollar arm, ten-cent head.

-- MWE
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:30 AM (#3411091)

Million-dollar arm, ten-cent head.


He will punch you in the face for posting that.

Conor Jackson was a bit surprising. Guess he's recovered from that weird disease he had.
   83. pkb33 Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:40 AM (#3411098)
I hadn't seen that Conor Jackson was non-tendered. That would be interesting.
   84. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:41 AM (#3411099)
Conor Jackson was tendered.

Not a non-tender, but the Twins got P Chris Province from the Red Sox for Boof.
   85. pkb33 Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:44 AM (#3411102)
Got it...since his was mostly a health question and he's killing the ball in winter league, I guess I didn't consider that surprising, so assumed you meant the opposite
   86. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:03 AM (#3411107)
SD n-t'd: quezada and worrell. neither pitched in '09.
   87. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:08 AM (#3411110)
Rays agree to terms with Dioner Navarro, tender Shawn Riggans

SD n-t'd: quezada and worrell. neither pitched in '09.

I don't get it when teams non-tender players that are not yet eligible for arbitration. What's the point?
   88. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:14 AM (#3411114)
I don't know exactly. My guess is:
* unlike waivers, other teams aren't guaranteed a shot at trying to get the guy - the player can immediately sign w/ you on a minor league deal (if they wish)
* obviously, this means they aren't using up a 40-man spot, earning service time, losing options, etc...
It wouldn't surprise me if there are other reasons, some obvious.
   89. Teufel's Graveyard Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:25 AM (#3411117)
Brewers are responsible for DiFelice's rehab anyway, so they will probably work out a minor league deal where they keep him under contract.
   90. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:35 AM (#3411120)
tor: raul chavez
kc: buck and josh anderson
   91. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:56 AM (#3411128)
And Toronto is bring back all of the rest of their arbies, which I think are Jose Bautista, Jason Frasor, Brian Tallet, Jeremy Accardo, Shawn Camp, Brandon League, Dustin McGowan, Casey Janssen, Shaun Marcum
   92. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:02 AM (#3411130)
I've been wondering....

Why say "X team will non-tender Y player"

Wouldn't it be better to just say "X team won't tender Y player"?

Similarly, why is it called the "non-tender" deadline. "Tender" deadline sounds more positive, doesn't it?

Little more positive talk.....hehe

And why do they call it the "foul pole" when it's really a fair pole?


The can is round... the cup is round... they should call it roundtine.
   93. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:08 AM (#3411134)
pit: capps, dumatrait
phi: condrey
   94. jwb Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:09 AM (#3411135)
Ovaltine was a misspelling.
   95. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:14 AM (#3411138)
ari: josh whitesell
   96. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:17 AM (#3411139)
cle: a.reyes, j. veras, adam miller (poor bastard can't get healthy)
   97. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:20 AM (#3411141)
SF Giants - Garko.
   98. Argu!!!! SATAN!!!! (Sessile Fielder) Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:29 AM (#3411146)
Is Alfredo Amezaga really that much worse than Craig Counsell?
   99. morineko Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:32 AM (#3411149)
Amezaga is definitely more injured than Counsell. He hasn't been cleared to start running again after his knee surgery from this summer.
   100. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:38 AM (#3411152)
incidentally, counsell and you guys is a done deal already - right? (per haudricourt twitter)
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