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   1. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates)  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 01:41 PM (#1027638)
First!!!

And the implication that some player would try to buy his way into the HoF is both funny and dead-on.
   2. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken The Original Big Hing  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 01:48 PM (#1027655)
See, what you'd have to do is convince 75% of the writers that you just want one vote, and give them something like 50 bucks each.
   3. The summer of Biff  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 01:52 PM (#1027671)
Based on the title, I was hoping this article was going to try and stem the tide of the apparent groundswell of support for Jack Morris this year.

Guess I was wrong.

JACK MORRIS IS NOT A HALL OF FAMER
   4. Joe C is probably only kidding  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:03 PM (#1027678)
Neither is Rice, for that matter,
   5. Traderdave  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:03 PM (#1027679)
Nor are Sandberg, Rice, Smith or Sutter.
   6. The summer of Biff  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:11 PM (#1027698)
Sandberg is a Hall of Famer, and at any rate, at least there's a real case to be made for those guys. I don't think there's a real case to be made for Morris.
   7. Buddha  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:32 PM (#1027726)
Alan Trammell gets screwed again. Nothing new there. Why more support for Morris than Trammell?
   8. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF)  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:42 PM (#1027752)
Sadly, it's one of the better ballots we've seen (with the exception of Trammell). He's got Boggs and Sandberg, and Blyleven (heavens!), and Gossage.

Is anyone tallying these like we did last year?
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:46 PM (#1027767)
JACK MORRIS IS NOT A HALL OF FAMER

He certainly doesn't go in before Stieb does (not that I'm convinced that the latter deserves it, either).
   10. Repoz  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:48 PM (#1027778)
Is anyone tallying these like we did last year?

UCCF...Send them in to me, or trevise (if he's around).
   11. Jeff K.  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:54 PM (#1027807)
"I was right with those guys the first eight or nine years of my career," McDowell said. "I would have liked to have seen where I fell."

"Those guys" include Maddux, Clemens, Glavine, and Randy Johnson.

First nine years:
Jack McDowell Average ERA+ 110.5
Greg Maddux Average ERA+ 158
Roger Clemens Average ERA+ 152.4
Tom Glavine Average ERA+ 119.67
Randy Johnson Average ERA+ 135.3

This was obvious before I even looked at it, but McDowell was nowhere on the same planet as 2 of these guys, and really nowhere close to the other two. Perhaps Jack's been smoking the crack.
   12. VG  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:57 PM (#1027813)
Perhaps Jack's been smoking the crack.

Well, he IS a rock star. As much of a rock star as he was a peer of RJ, Maddux, Glavine and Clemens, anyway.
   13. Joe C is probably only kidding  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 02:59 PM (#1027817)
If you can make an argument for Rice, you should put Dwight Evans in too. He was the same hitter as Rice (both were in the 380s in HR...Evans had a better EQA, .297 to .295). Sure, you could argue had the better peak but its fairly close.

Plus, Evans > Rice defensively.

WHY JIM RICE?
   14. Freddy  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 03:07 PM (#1027839)
Alan Trammell gets screwed again. Nothing new there. Why more support for Morris than Trammell?

See Game 7, 1991 World Series. Clearly, one game trumps years of productivity for many voters.
   15. Urban Faber  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 03:23 PM (#1027859)
Yet Trammell was a World Series MVP too.
   16. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 03:46 PM (#1027896)
Does anyone know if the Internet Hall of Fame balloting has started yet?
   17. Moe Jorgan  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 03:47 PM (#1027897)
You're so contrarian.
   18. Dag Nabbit: King of the Canceled Class  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 04:16 PM (#1027967)
Based on the title, I was hoping this article was going to try and stem the tide of the apparent groundswell of support for Jack Morris this year.

Groundswell for Morris?

2000: 22.24%
2001: 19.61%
2002: 20.55%
2003: 22.78%
2004: 26.28%

Yea, I guess he is moving up, but the BBWAA just ain't going to be putting him in.

BTW, kudos to the HoF for putting all past votes online.
   19. Ronnie Dobbs  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 04:59 PM (#1028058)
The amazing thing is I don't think there was a sportswriter alive who actually liked Jack Morris. Or one who didn't like Alan Trammell.
   20. Evil Tom  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 08:42 PM (#1028395)
If you can make an argument for Rice, you should put Dwight Evans in too. He was the same hitter as Rice (both were in the 380s in HR...Evans had a better EQA, .297 to .295). Sure, you could argue had the better peak but its fairly close.

Plus, Evans > Rice defensively.

WHY JIM RICE?


If you do a Keltner list on the two Rice does much better. When Rice had his best years the team contended, Evans had his best years they were also rans. That should count for something. If Evans had had one of his good seasons, instead of one of his worst, in 1978 nobody would remember Bucky Dent.
   21. 6 - 4 - 3  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 08:50 PM (#1028405)
How about "nyet" to both Rice and Evans?
   22. Evil Tom  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 09:49 PM (#1028478)
How about "nyet" to both Rice and Evans?


Evans is a Hall of the Very Good player. He didn't have any really spectacular years but he lasted a long time and had a slow decline so his career totals are very good.

Rice had the great years but he had a very rapid collapse. If he'd had 1 or 2 more years with a 100 OPS+ at the end of his career he'd already be in.
As I said he does very well on the Keltner list. He deserves serious consideration. He's certainly a marginal candidate but it's not like putting Phil Rizzuto in the HOF.
   23. 6 - 4 - 3  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 10:01 PM (#1028490)
Tell you what: combine Rice's peak with Evans' longevity and you have yourself a HOF corner outfielder. Separately, they both miss the mark by a bit, IMHO.
   24. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 10:40 PM (#1028534)
He's certainly a marginal candidate but it's not like putting Phil Rizzuto in the HOF.

Why does Rizzuto get beat up all the time in regard to his induction into the HOF? At worst, he was a marginal candidate when you give him some WWII credit. We're not talking Tommy McCarthy here.
   25. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: December 17, 2004 at 10:41 PM (#1028536)
Tell you what: combine Rice's peak with Evans' longevity and you have yourself a HOF corner outfielder. Separately, they both miss the mark by a bit, IMHO.

Agreed.
   26. fables of the deconstruction  Posted: December 18, 2004 at 12:15 AM (#1028672)
Q: Is anyone tallying these like we did last year?
A: UCCF...Send them in to me (Repoz), or trevise (if he's around).

Yes, you can certainly do this although I'm only available on the weekends. However, this is exactly the reason I asked Chris for a HOF catch-all thread: The link is available on the "Home" (front) page but to expedite matters here is the current active page.

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trevise :-) ...
   27. fables of the deconstruction  Posted: December 18, 2004 at 12:41 AM (#1028697)
Q: Is anyone tallying these like we did last year?
A: UCCF...Send them in to me (Repoz), or trevise (if he's around).

Yes, you can certainly do this although I'm only available on the weekends. However, this is exactly the reason I asked Chris for a HOF catch-all thread: The link is available on the "Home" (front) page but to expedite matters here is the current active page.

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trevise :-) ...

   28. Cowboy Popup  Posted: December 18, 2004 at 01:12 AM (#1028716)
"Why does Rizzuto get beat up all the time in regard to his induction into the HOF? At worst, he was a marginal candidate when you give him some WWII credit. We're not talking Tommy McCarthy here."

Word. He had a great 1950, some really good years when he was young, and was legitimately excellent on defense. He's better then Catfish Hunter too.
   29. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: December 18, 2004 at 01:46 AM (#1028746)
He's better then Catfish Hunter too.

Definitely. There were tons of pitchers who were just as good, if not better than Hunter, during his era.
   30. Moses Taylor is whenever  Posted: December 18, 2004 at 02:21 AM (#1028799)
Late on this, but why isn't Sandberg a HOFer? And you seem so confident about that?
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