ESPN, please give Doug a job. Maybe he couldn't hit, but Glanville rocks.

But don't be surprised if Glanville rejoins the Phillies in some capacity.

Little late now. At Penn he wrote a thesis on the planning of a downtown stadium in Philly.

See. Here's the Phils problem all over again. Were they competing with anyone else that they had to give him a MULTI hour deal? Why not just give him a one hour deal, and if it turned out okay, they could re-sign him for the second hour, but wouldn't be committed if the first hour was a big flop.

First Tomas Perez, now this.

Yeesh.

So does that one-day contract make him eligible for the Hall of Fame? His Baseball Reference page indicates he had played nine seasons before 2005.

So does that one-day contract make him eligible for the Hall of Fame? His Baseball Reference page indicates he had played nine seasons before 2005.

3. Eligible Candidates - Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A) A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
B) Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
C) Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
D) In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
E) Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

In a word... No.

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Addie Joss played nine seasons, but died before he could play in his 10th. Dizzy Dean played parts of 12 seasons, but in three of them he pitched fewer than 10 innings.

Doug Glanville for the HoF!

Doug Glanville for the HoF!

Okay Red,

I have a challenge for you. Prepare a "Keltner" that actually subjectively reasons a legitimate case for Doug Glanville being elected to the HOF nonwithstanding the eligibility requirements and the rest of "us" will give it every possible consideration... ;-) ...

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Prepare a "Keltner" that actually subjectively reasons a legitimate case for Doug Glanville being elected to the HOF

Glanville upheld the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall wants voters to consider. And he filled a lot of Jayson Stark's notebooks.

Overwhelming evidence.

Overwhelming evidence.

Weak...! Do I have a second...??? ;-) ...

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This is the first time that I am aware of someone doing this in baseball. IIRC, it's pretty common in football. The Cowboys signed Emmit Smith to a similar deal, methinks.

See. Here's the Phils problem all over again. Were they competing with anyone else that they had to give him a MULTI hour deal? Why not just give him a one hour deal, and if it turned out okay, they could re-sign him for the second hour, but wouldn't be committed if the first hour was a big flop.

RDF. Pure gold.

I was wondering why they played a Doug Glanville montage at yesterday's game. I thought it was a joke or something.

The guy was a teriffic percentage base stealer. Nobody can take that away from him.

Weak...! Do I have a second...??? ;-) ...

Well, there's always the broadcasters' wing, or the Strat-O-Matic hall of fame.

When Glanville was like 27-29, he had great great range. At least, it seemed to me at the time that he did. That 1999 sure was something.

Well, there's always the broadcasters' wing, or the Strat-O-Matic hall of fame.

Are "we" not MEN? Are "we" wimps?
I'm stunned, absolutely STUNNED that those that have passed through in the past 3+ hours have failed to give me a "second" or that they would actually believe that 'filling a lot of Jayson Stark's notebooks' would be a viable criteria for inducton to the HOF...!???

Come on Guys, I'm dyin' here... ;-) ...

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Doug Glanville is a certain Hall of Famer, but I don't know if he'll get in on the first ballot. He has a career line of .500/.500/.1500 in the postseason, and if that's not clutch, what is? Also, his number one comp is ALL-STAR Vic Davalillo, which is a name we're all very familiar with.

Posted by Whiskeypedia Brown (GGC) on June 26, 2005 at 03:13 PM (#1431960)
This is the first time that I am aware of someone doing this in baseball. IIRC, it's pretty common in football. The Cowboys signed Emmit Smith to a similar deal, methinks.

Phil Niekro did a similar thing in 1987, when he signed with the Braves to pitch one final game and retire, so he could retire as a Brave.

Well, this is pretty much a geek admission, but as a kid playing S-O-M, it crossed my mind from time to time that maybe it'd be fun to write some real major leaguer and let him know how well he was doing for my S-O-M team that year. Especially if it was some run-of-the-mill guy having a freakishly good season or part of one in the only games that really mattered -- the ones with dice. Post a missive to Joe Lefevre letting him know he was hitting about .350 with power for the Phillies that year; inform Art Kusnyer that by bashing 3 long balls the first week of the season, for about three days he led the AL in homeruns. That sort of thing.

I always wondered what one of those guys might say or think if I actually did that. Actually, I had a pretty good idea, which is probably one reason why I never seriously considered doing it.

I guess Doug Glanville is one guy who would appreciate something like that, though.

Doug Glanville was not a great ballplayer. But I suspect I'd rather spend a 5-hour plane flight sitting next to Doug than virtually anybody else in baseball.

Glanville is also a gold glove center fielder according to Strat-O-Matic each of the last four years. Only Jones, Edmonds, and Finley were 1's all of those years.

Here is my attempt at a Keltner List:
1.Was he ever considered the best player in baseball?

No.

2.Was he the best player on his team?

Not even close. In 1999(his best year), Sosa hit over 60 home runs.

3.Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in his league at his position?

Arguably in 1999, he was the best NL center fielder, though Jones and Finley were about as good. Bernie Williams in the AL was much better that year. Other than 1999, not even close.

4.Did he have an impact on a number of pennent races?

Arguably in 2003. He did not have a good year, but his team won the division by one game so he little contribution may have given the Cubs the division. He also had a key triple in game 4 of the NLCS.

5.Ws he good enough to play regularly past his prime?

No. He retired at age 31.

6.Is he the very best player in history not to go into the Hall of Fame?

No. Dick Allen is.

7.Are most players with compareable statistics in the Hall of Fame?

No.

8.Do the players numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?

No.

9.Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better than his statistics?

Yes. Defensive statistics are often overlooked and Glanville should have won some gold gloves bu did not.

10. I he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame?

No. Jimmie Wynn is.

11.How many MVPs won? should have won? could have won?

None, none, and none.

12.How many all-star appearances did he have? Should he have had?

He had no all-star appearences. 1999 was the only year in which he deserved to go.

13.If this man were the best player on his team could they win the pennent?

If you had the 1999 version as the best player, and every other player was basically as good, then yes. If you had a typical team then no. If the typical season Glanville were your best player, then say hello to 130 losses.

14.What i,pact did this player have on baseball history? rule change? equipment?

None that I know of.

15.Did he uphold standards of sportsmanship and character that the HOF writer guidlines instructs to consider?

Yes.
Conclusion: Glanville does not belong in the Hall of Fame. His 1999 was his best and even the worst Hall of Famers would consider that an offyear, and was not even close to the best season of many non-hall of famers (Maris, Caminiti, Cash). Out side of 1999 he was not even a good regular.

In 1999(his best year), Sosa hit over 60 home runs.

That's certainly true, though I have trouble seeing what it has to do with Doug Glanville. (Seriously, Glanville played for the Phillies in '99. Abreu was definitely the best player on that team, though Glanville might have been the second best.)

Arguably in 1999, he was the best NL center fielder, though Jones and Finley were about as good.

Brian Giles and Carl Everett were significantly better than Glanville that year.

But ignore my nitpicks; you provided a valuable service.

Here is my attempt at a Keltner List:

I am absolutely stunned that somebody went through that whole exercise in all seriousness. When I first saw the post, I assumed it was going to be a joke.

Gagne_55, you're forgetting when you dismiss him playing past his prime that, by the time he stopped playing, he WAS way past his prime. I'm gonna give him a solid yes for question #5.

I guess Doug will have to settle for the Hall of Very Good.

This is the centerfield list from the Ray Lankford Hall of Fame. Is Glanville better than any of them?

He's a marginal HoVGer, if that.

Ellis Burks, CF, 260 WS, 55.7 JAWS
Willie Davis, CF 322 WS, 65.2 JAWS
Brett Butler, CF 295 WS, 74.14 JAWS
Andy Van Slyke, CF 231 WS, 59.15 JAWS
George Van Haltren, CF 344 WS, 56.66 JAWS
Jimmy Wynn, CF 305 WS, 63.2 JAWS
Brady Anderson, CF 214 WS, 56.4 JAWS
Fred Lynn, CF 280 WS, 64.95 JAWS
Devon White, CF 207 WS, 57.4 JAWS
Reggie Smith, CF 325 WS, 61.65 JAWS
Cesar Cedeno, CF 296 WS, 64.7 JAWS
Amos Otis, CF 286 WS, 60.3 JAWS
Lenny Dykstra, CF 201 WS, 51 JAWS (VOTED IN)
Curt Flood, CF 221 WS, 55.8 JAWS
Roy Thomas, CF 260 WS, 52.7 JAWS
Dom Dimaggio, CF 220 WS, 57.7 JAWS
George Gore, CF 250 WS, 63.05 JAWS
George Grantham, CF 245 WS, 55.6 JAWS
Paul Hines, CF 249 WS, 61.65 JAWS
Fielder Jones, CF 290 WS, 59.35 JAWS
Tommy Leach, CF 328 WS, 52.6 JAWS
Chet Lemon, CF 265 WS, 64.7 JAWS
Al Oliver, CF 305 WS, 55.65 JAWS
Vada Pinson, CF 321 WS, 62.5 JAWS
Jimmy Ryan, CF 316 WS, 57.3 JAWS
Willie Wilson, CF 237 WS, 55.4 JAWS