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Thursday, August 18, 2005

The Baseball Analysts: Vincent: The Official Scorer

This week’s Designated Hitter is the official scorer for the Washington Nats...David Vincent. Join him as he takes an amazing look at the duties of a ML official scorer.

The qualifications for a scorer are: (1) knowing the rules, especially section 10; (2) knowing how to apply the rules; (3) having the integrity to make the correct call regardless of the consequences; (4) understanding that someone who questions a call is upset at the call not the person making it; and (5) being aware of the entire field during a play.

Repoz Posted: August 18, 2005 at 05:37 PM | 19 comment(s)
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   1. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 06:13 PM (#1556163)
As I've said before, I was the official scorer for the Newark Barge Bandits one summer. Best. Job. Ever.
   2. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 06:30 PM (#1556199)
Doesn't Joe Dimino work right alongside him?
   3. UL's toothpick  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 06:46 PM (#1556251)
I was at a minor league game when a visiting manager attempted to enter the press box and beat Vincent up....it's funny to me that Dave beat him to the bigs.
   4. GregD  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 08:41 PM (#1556609)
The quiz is pretty cool. I struggled with more than a couple of them.
   5. Gold Star 4 Robot Boy  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 10:01 PM (#1556805)
I used to sit near the official scorer during games in the PCL and AZ Fall League. Good fun. I once convinced him to change a pitcher's 2-base throwing error to two errors (muffing a grounder, then throwing the ball away).
At games, I ALWAYS keep score - makes me pay attention. More than half a dozen times I've been asked if I'm a scout.
   6. shoewizard  Posted: August 18, 2005 at 11:57 PM (#1557038)
There is widespread perception that hometown hitters get the better end of it on borderline plays that could be called either a hit or an error. I wonder if that is really true, and if so, can it be proven?
   7. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 12:41 AM (#1557076)
I think there's a tendancy to call a play a hit rather than an error. 2 of the 3 principals, the batter and the fielder prefer that; only the pitcher wants it the other way.
   8. The definitely immoral Eric Enders  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1557090)
I'm a substitute official scorer in the New York-Penn League... it's fun. Except we don't have TV replays here in the boonies, so you really have to pay attention. The first game I ever scored featured 1) A rundown play involving six throws, and 2) A scorer's-discretion winning pitcher.

I got only 18 of 19 on the quiz, however... I would have called #1 a fielder's choice, no CS.
   9. Teddy F. Ballgame  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1557122)
I blew both of the questions that involved runners sliding past the bag. I didn't realize there was a distinction between overrunning and oversliding a base.
   10. Will Young  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 09:34 AM (#1557389)
At games, I ALWAYS keep score - makes me pay attention. More than half a dozen times I've been asked if I'm a scout.

I have always been asked repeatedly if I'm a scout. Once, I was asked while sitting in the leftfield upper deck at the Metrodome while I was 13 years old.
   11. Rich Lederer  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 01:32 PM (#1557954)
At games, I ALWAYS keep score - makes me pay attention. More than half a dozen times I've been asked if I'm a scout.

I'm surprised because scouts don't typically keep score. They usually are equipped with radar guns and stopwatches, not scorebooks. To the extent scouts use a pencil or pen, they usually are jotting down comments in notebooks and oversized index cards.
   12. Bob T  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 01:39 PM (#1557973)
I got asked if I was a scout in Japan when I was keeping score.

Hardly any of the fans in Japan keep score. It's just not done.
Despite this, the Japanese are very good at keeping you alerted to defensive changes. I don't think I've ever seen a double switch though, but the managers will rotate players around a few positions during a game.

The only problem I have at games as a non-Japanese speaker is wild pitches and passed balls because they don't seem to indicate those on scoreboards or if they do, it's in Japanese. They may announce it.
The hit/error decisions are usually put up while the play is in motion!

Here was one knotty scoring play, I saw.

It was in my Baseball Analysts piece. Guy hits a flyball to center in the Tokyo Dome. Shinjo (or should I say SHINJO) loses it in the canvas. The middle infielders AND the third baseman run out to help, but the ball drops in and the batter reaches second easily.
Then once he's on second he looks over at third and realizes that no one is there and he takes off while the other team chases him to the base. The batter is safe at third.

What's the call?
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad)  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 01:51 PM (#1558002)
I wouldn't have thought to give a caught stealing on #5, and I was totally at sea on #10.
   14. baseball chick (now, with NEW blog)  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 03:05 PM (#1558204)
i missed FOUR of these i can't believe it

i have my scorebook at every game and i make notes on the opposite page and it looks like code cuz of my dyslexia so i have been asked at LEAST a dozen times if i'm a scout.

and i'm FEMALE

and as far as i know, there are no female scouts.

baseball clubs might could have a problem with us, but the fans don't seem to
   15. Bull Pain  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 04:01 PM (#1558371)
I get to sit next to the official scorer at every Durham game. It's good stuff with BJ Upton's exploits this season (46 errors!)

Re: #6, the rainout question:

The minors do not follow the MLB rule of the "official tie for the stats but must be replayed" rule. In the minors, the home GM contacts the league president and the game will be suspended and finished the next day or upon the team's return. I'm not so sure what happens if the team does not return.
   16. Daryn  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 07:49 PM (#1558750)
12 - triple.
   17. Mike Emeigh  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 10:17 PM (#1559206)
and as far as i know, there are no female scouts.

There are a few, but not many. I've seen a couple at low A games.

The minors do not follow the MLB rule of the "official tie for the stats but must be replayed" rule. In the minors, the home GM contacts the league president and the game will be suspended and finished the next day or upon the team's return. I'm not so sure what happens if the team does not return.

If the team does not return, a suspended game will be completed during the next series at the other team's home field; otherwise, the MLB rule is used. This is covered in MLB rule 4.11 and 4.12.

I was 18/19, also missing #10.

This is probably a good time to repost this link to the rules of baseball.

-- MWE
   18. Mike Emeigh  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1559212)
Oh yes: any time I keep score in a strange minor league ballpark I get the "are you a scout?" question. If you get a chance sometime, get a seat near the scout section; you'll learn a lot by watching what they do.

-- MWE
   19. Bob T  Posted: August 19, 2005 at 11:34 PM (#1559315)
16
I thought it would be a triple, but it was scored as a double and a fielders choice.

I think the scorer operated on the theory that the batter had stopped at second base before he ran to third.
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