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they should have their kids taken away!
This is the time I wish the Lerners had contacted her about minority ownership in the Nationals. Heck, the last time D.C. was in a pennant race (1945), Goldie was in her mom's womb.
He was Kate Hudson's husband, and he's the frontman for one of those 90s alternative bands.
And Chris Robinson. If I ever wanted to listen to his band, I would put on a "Faces" L.P.
The Black Crowes - and they were classic rock, not alternative.
Lead singer for the Black Crowes.
With that said, I think you should see the movie Almost Famous (with Ms. Hudson)just for the hilarious viewpoints of Jeff Bebe (played by Jason Lee).
The Black Crowes - and they were classic rock, not alternative.
Well, sure, it's classic rock now.
Jeter really is that awesome.
I'm probably wrong about this. I don't remember them at their heyday. Now they play them on the same radio stations that play alternative, but they play Metallica too so they're not alt specific.
Wow, it really has been almost 20 years since their debut album.
Well, I would be surprised if you were listening to rock when they debuted and you couldn't, even now, recall Chris Robinson and the Black Crowes. Their sound and act were a perfect fit for that time. In 1990, as the big hair and arena heavy rock of the 80's were wearing thin and the grunge/alternative sound had yet to explode, there was a need for the gritty and earnest classic rock that the Black Crowes made. I'm not a huge fan of much after Shake Your Money Maker, but that album was enough to place them above a lot of other forgettable bands that have come and gone.
never seen Motorhead? Lemmy thinks Randy Johnson is a babe in comparison.
I find it hard to call the Black Crowes alternative, yes they were played on alternative stations, but their style was more reminscent of music from 10-20 years earlier.
When they were gigging around Atlanta before being signed to a record label, they were straight-up, no-question-about-it "alternative." They were called Mr. Crowe's Garden and Chris was a total Michael Stipe wanna-be. Search YouTube for proof/laughs.
Who would win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
I saw Motorhead 3 weeks ago. Lemmy is still awesome and still ugly.
Weren't they signed by Rick Rubin? Rubin's a weirdo but there's no denying his eye for what COULD be. And of course he gets a lifetime pass for the collaborations with Johnny Cash. Those albums are ####### stupendous.
I won't quibble with the classic rock designation; they DO sound like bands from 20 years prior. I just think it is/was a little absurd to call them classic in their own time.
And of course he gets a lifetime pass for the collaborations with Johnny Cash.
Raising Hell gave him that.
Well, I'd go with Reign in Blood, but, regardless, Rubin's lifetime pass was secure long before Bill Clinton took office.
would god have a blindfold or not? with blindfold Lemmy wins in 2 minutes, if god is not blindfolded, Lemmy wins in 8 seconds, god couldn't stare at that face long enough to try and land a blow.
And i'd go with "Blood Sugar Sex Magik". It's phenomenal the diversity of bands he's worked with, and made great records with: everyone from Neil Diamond to AC/DC.
You say that like "classic" is a good thing. [/invites controversy? no? okay...]
More seriously, I don't think "classic rock" implies timeliness or anything, it's just another genre.
When their 1st album came out (along with the concordant tour w/ ZZ Top and the #1 songs because of the push from their major label and ...), I heard it on classic rock stations, not alternative ones - that was my defining measure*. [That said, the death of 'alternative' as a format is fine by me.]
* That, and verifying w/ wikipedia and allmusic.
would god have a blindfold or not? with blindfold Lemmy wins in 2 minutes, if god is not blindfolded, Lemmy wins in 8 seconds, god couldn't stare at that face long enough to try and land a blow.
heh, looks like someone hasn't watched enough Comedy Central at 2 in the afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhQKGVNh89M&feature=related
or from Canada there was Sass Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvWNMLh1rU&feature=related
Then "Nevermind" appeared and all this stuff was yesterday's papers.
Thank you. I like what is called alternative, but it's not really alternative most of the time, it's rock without shampooing their hair and a little different reliance on the vocals making it a little more guttural. Still it's a somewhat natural progression/growth of rock, it wasn't an entirely new genre. Alternative is Primus and that ilk, not Nirvana, Soundgarden or Queensryche.
heh, looks like someone hasn't watched enough Comedy Central at 2 in the afternoon.
I stop watching comedy central after the 1:00 Colbert report...what did I miss?
I saw them years ago on a bill with Nashville P#ssy -- at one point, mid-song, a woman clambered onstage, tucked her head under Lemmy's bass, and commenced unbuckling his belt (ETC.)... he didn't miss a note. At song's end, he kind of backed up and readjusted himself, while she clambered back offstage again to great applause.
Lemmy just shrugged it off: "'S rock 'n' roll, innit?"
Trick question, Lemmy is God.
Coincidentally, Nashville ##### opened for them at the show I saw a few weeks ago. No onstage bj's for Lemmy though.
"Bobby Van! Murray Langston! The Bear...!"
Or you can pour beer at a festival (as I did this weekend) and note that, if you were born after September 1988, you're old enough to drink.
Eeeesh.
afterbefore September 1988, you're old enough to drink.Queensryche was never considered alternative in any way, shape, or form. It's a heavy metal band, with no punk influence at all. What made Nirvana and Soundgarden part of an entirely new genre was the melding of several forms of music previously not combined, specifically metal and punk. Plus, especially in Nirvana's case, an excellent ear for melody. The only thing the three bands have in common is coming from Washington state. Putting Queensryche in with Nirvana and Soundgarden is like putting Cornish pasties in with yakisoba and udon.
We watched this show faithfully in my household.
:(
Just checked youtube. No way is that alternative. Sure he might look a little Michael Stipey, but the music is bluesy rock. Sounds very late 60's influenced.
not sure what that means, Queensryche was more talented, competent etc.... and never received the same level of recognition as a one and a half album wonder like Nirvana(ooh they have an mtv album that is instrumental cover tunes----really? the lasting voice of a generation basically wrote one great album and a couple of greatest hits and a halfway decent second album...god the 90's music really sucked, thank god for Rage Against the Machine)
Wow. I feel really old that someone didn't know who the Black Crowes are. You really forget how old you are sometimes and that other people don't know what you know or share your experiences.
for the record, I know who the Black Crowes are, I just don't know who the individual artist of a band is, heck my favorite current band is Disturbed and I couldn't tell you one name or recognize any of them out and about.... I'm a casual music fan, meaning I recognize songs or bands, but couldn't tell you about their members unless they are something to write about(say a hottie, or a suicidal overrated lead singer---yes I prefer Foo Fighters over the one and a half album wonder of Nirvana) just like I don't expect a casual baseball fan to know who Andrew McCutchen is, I do expect them to know who the Pittsburg Pirates are. (for some reason I'm in man-love with Andrew McCutchen and I don't have the foggiest idea why)
It's probably because Andrew McCutchen is awesome.
Not even Dave Grohl's..
Kris Novoselic, Queensryche owns him...
It means that they are completely different members of a general category. Cornish pasties are an English food; yakisoba and udon are Japanese foods. They are both foods, but that's all they have in common. In the same way, Queensrych, Nirvana, and Soundgarden are all bands from Washington state, but that's all they have in common. Their music is as different as a pastie and yakisoba.
Um Nevermind was Nirvana's second album. Their first album was Bleach. I know this because I wrote the first published review of Bleach... :-)
Nirvana recorded three studio albums, plus a compilation of various tracks. Nirvana, IMO, was a great, great, band. Queensryche is a very good band for their genre, but simply don't have the songwriting chops that Cobain did, the ability to throw pop hooks into a thrash setting, or his sense of dynamics. Queensryche is a perfectly competant hard rock band; Nirvana were visionaries.
Mileage will vary on an individual's perception of the music (as you can see from the various bands that have already been name-dropped here and had their "alternative"-ness debated), but as someone who was actively interested in the Atlanta/Athens music corridor during that time, it was obvious that Mr. Crowe's Garden self-identified with the alt scene. They had to if they wanted to get booked at 688 in Atlanta or practically anywhere in Athens. I'm a Crowes fan and I have no problem with their affectation of the alt aesthetic as kids in hopes of getting booked and noticed. What successful band doesn't have silly pictures/videos floating around of earlier incarnations? But, at the same time, it was what it was.
It's M-I-D-W-E-S-T-O-N-I-A right?
And Cobain was the Paul McCartney of grunge music. He could pull a melody out of thin air like a ninja can catch flies with a chopstick.
Back to the thread, should the doctors worry if the child is born with blue lips? Genes or lack of oxygen?
I was drunk at the time.....Sorry.
Um Nevermind was Nirvana's second album. Their first album was Bleach. I know this because I wrote the first published review of Bleach... :-)
I thought Nevermind was their first major record release, I don't consider indie studio releases to be actual records. :)
Again, Nevermind was a great album, probably the only "grunge" album that I could listen to all the way through, but it was just one great album, not a career. I was thinking of who I would compare them to if they were a ball player, the best I could come up with is Doc Gooden or maybe Mark Prior. (some will want to say Koufax, but I just don't see it)
Go Gorillas.
But I'm not really a Nirvana fan in general, so...
Pantera pre-Cowboys from Hell is particularly hilarious.
why?
When we turned the basement into a toddler play area we set it up with a CD player for him...
The CD Player comes with a tape deck, and I found a box of my old cassettes, hadn't listened to any in years, so I start playing them...
so one weekend I'm in the basement, the little boy is playing with his trainset, I'm listening to old cassettes, and my mother walks down the stairs as "Spreading the Disease" is playing, specifically the part that goes... "25 bucks a #### and John's a happy man"...
She was absolutely horrified, glad to know I can still do that to my mother.
20 years that effing album is 20 years old, how the eff did that happen?
I've heard two songs off it. It sounds like the Into the Wild soundtrack Eddie did, which is not good.
Chris Robinson accused her of ripping them (The Black Crowes) off- her response was that she wasn't- she was ripping off the same people he was...
I thought the word for the Black Crowes was blues rock or retro-rock, definitely not "alt", though "alt" stations played them for mysterious reasons.
I'm not going to argue with your description of Queensryche, but as someone who owned and listened to the first 2 Nirvana Albums, at the time they came out**, IMHO you are overrating them, they were a very good band, and Cobain could write compelling melodies (he would have made a GREAT jingles writer), and they were in the right place at the right time, and he was tragically driven to suicide by a psychotic wife...
Very good, but let's just say I didn't see the transcendent "Greatness" that others do.
* The Stone Temple Pilots could do that too, no one wants to canonize them.
** About a Girl was MUCH better on bleach than unplugged- the whole MTV unplugged schtick was stoopid anyway.
The range of his work is impressive, but I'd have to say that Rick Rubin's greatest gift to the world is The Beastie Boys.
I wouldn't mind if they were cannonized.
I thought unplugged was interesting. In fact, I think it might be the only interesting thing MTV has ever done.
I'm sticking with Cash's recordings as A-1 for Rubin, but Rubin has had an amazing career, no doubt. I mean, holy crap!
It was interesting at first but then....
I haven't watched MTV in a long while, so what happened to it? The idea of just having a band play their songs acoustically to a small, intimate audience seems simple enough.
Amen. I dont know why that song became the symbol of that MTV unplugged set, as it might be the worst song there (that version at least). Pennyroyal Tea, on the other hand, is haunting.
my problem has nothing to do with the format, but acting as if that is a fully unique 'realized' album, when it was just a bunch of guys riffing in front of a camera/microphone.
In Utero is a really great album.
It's the only Nirvana album I own, but I don't think it was as good or even close to Nevermind, and it wasn't a complete album. I found myself skipping songs, or if I was doing a day where I put 6 cds in the changer and put on Random, I made sure In Utero wasn't one of them because there were just too many misses to make it worth taking the chance of getting a bad song. I think of great albums as albums you listen all the way through and enjoyed, not just tolerate, but actually like almost every song. My favorite groups usually have two or so albums I can do that with. Of course music is subjective, I get that, but I just feel that Nirvana is extremely overrated in comparison to the amount and quality of work they put out.
Meh. If people want to buy them...
are you talking about the Nirvana one specifically? because this post, coupled with you calling it "instrumental" earlier on, leads me to believe that you might be mixing it up w/ something else. Nirvana's was neither instrumental nor improvisational.
agree, heck if you like it buy it, but I get people all the time who want to defend Nirvana's lack of output by including albums like MTV unplugged, a greatest hit album, unreleased tapes etc to pad the amount of music output that the band had. Basically Nirvana had two and half real albums, Nevermind, In Utero..... and maybe Bleach.
I know what he means, but I just looked at those unplugged albums as sort of a high quality, officially sanctioned bootleg-type album (contradiction in terms noted.) IOW, they were for the ardent fans of the groups appearing on the show. Do they still do it? If not, they should bring it back. I remember being excited to see The Cure or REM on Unplugged. And even LL Cool J just out of curiosity. (I recall his acoustic version of Knock You Out was actually damn good.)
No argument here.
just using wording that shows my contempt for it. (more or less) when I said instrumental I should have used the word acoustic.
I think most people would defend their lack of output by noting their singer/songwriter offed himself 7 months after their last album came out. When should they have squeezed in another album?
not arguing that case, but I have friends that think of Nirvana as an all time great band and I just don't see it. As I said in baseball terms I think of them as a Mark Prior type of career.(or Gooden even).
I pretty much agree.
I saw them in Boston the night after the 2003 ALCS game 7... opening for the mule
another man crush, Tim Wakefield. (of course everyone loves knuckleball pitchers)
and yes, I can see that.
I had a friend in college who was practically a Black Crowes groupie- he referred to them as Southern Rock. I don't know how prevalent that label is.
And even LL Cool J just out of curiosity. (I recall his acoustic version of Knock You Out was actually damn good.)
As I recall, that was actually a compilation of sorts (Uptown or something). It featured LL Cool J, Jodeci, and Mary J. Blige amongst others. I remember it being pretty good.
Great early career, Traumatic middle part (Dusty Baker overuse = smack overdose), and then a mediocre re-birth of late.
This is fun!
Around that same time, the "alt" stations were also playing the heck out of Spin Doctors, Blues Traveler, and Dave Matthews. I think it was a combination of there being no room at the inn at classic rock stations, where playlists were tight as a tick and impossible to crack, and "alt" stations looking to tap into the big audiences those aforementioned jam bands were attracting with their non-stop saturation touring. Boy...I sure did/do hate me some Spin Doctors.
Fairly, I think - but I'm in the south.
It does sound a little like the Into the Wild soundtrack, which was quite good.
I'm seeing PJ a week from tonight, and can't freaking wait.
It might not count as an "album," but Unplugged is full of great performances. At least half of the tracks are classics. Come as You Are, Jesus Don't Want Me for a Sunbeam, The Man Who Sold the World, Pennyroyal Tea, Something in the Way, All Apologies, Where Did You Sleep Last Night? -- that's seven out of twelve, and that has to be accounted for.
Ichiro - Beirut
Manny Ramirez - Kayne
Barry Bonds - Jay Z
Roy Halladay - Yo la Tengo
um....
What made Nirvana great was two factors - first the music, which as I noted before, revolved around Cobain's songwriting, the ability to throw pop hooks into a thrash setting, his sense of dynamics, and his sense of melody. No, he wasn't the first to do that, but he was the first to be commercially successful with it, and that's point two. Husker Du and The Pixies come to mind as the building blocks he used - but Cobain got his music to #1 on the Billboard chart, and the others didn't. It really was different from everything else that was selling at the time, and it really did stun a lot of people that Nirvana got so huge, so fast.
I guess in some ways I'm just too close to the whole thing. I was a rock writer in Seattle from 1982 to 2004, so I was right in the middle of the whole scene when it blew up. As I mentioned, I wrote the first published review of Bleach. And it wasn't just a job, many of those people were friends (and no, I never met Cobain). So excuse me if I come across a little opinionated on this issue...
Someone (Shooty?) called Cobain the McCartney of grunge, which I think is spot-on. Nirvana was three punk kids writing pop songs on metal guitars.
And while I accept the varying opinions of their major studio albums, the Incesticide stuff is just terrific.
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