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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Friday, November 07, 2008Amazin’ Avenue: Simon: The Top 50 Mets of All Time: #34 Bobby BonillaI’ll show you the Bonilla right here, Klap!
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I'm doing a similar list for the Royals though, and its been pretty embarrassing who makes their top 50. Brent Mayne. That's right. Brent Mayne.
This always reminds me of Bill James talking about how he got the idea for the abstract while arguing that Mike MacFarlane was one of the top 100 catchers of all time. It's amazing how guys you thought were meh were actually pretty damn good historically. Of course, if I did a top 50 Oakland A's I might be horrified by who made the list. Bill Caudill? Mike Gallego? Jeff Newman? Wayne Gross?
He probably wouldn't make my revised list, though I still don't totally regret having him on there because he was a lot of fun to research (as most of these guys are, legends or otherwise).
Among Mets with 2000+ PAs, he's 2nd in Avg, 3rd in OBP, 2nd in SLG, 2nd in OPS, 10th in runs, 8th in total bases, 6th in doubles, 5th in HR, 7th in RBI, 3rd in OPS+
you get the idea
* How long is it taking them to work on this list? - apparently the Wright write up was done 2/07???? Sheesh, they should take Wright down, and adjust everyone 1 slot- at this rate by the time they reach Wright again it'll be in 3-4 years and he'll be #2 behind Seaver.
That thread was
I didn't think then and I certainly don't think now that Rey Rey was in the top 50- or all that close to it- one of my all time most hated players...
Yea, that's on me. I didn't realize how time-consuming these would be when I started them a couple of years ago. Suffice it to say that Wright would already be higher than he was at the time, and could very well be top-20 at this point.
Plus I've been almost solely relying on Win Shares, so guys that just kinda hung around for years and played crappy - Michael Tucker, Brent Mayne, David Howard, are high on the list, while guys that were great for one year and gone - Jay Bell, Chili Davis, Paul Byrd - are pretty low.
I relied heavily on WARP3 for my list, which has its drawbacks, too. It does account for defense (and its offensive component is adjusted positionally), but FRAR is kinda suspect. Also, relying mostly on raw counts of anything undercut players who had a significant impact for a shorter period of time (e.g. simply aggregating WARP3 over his Met career doesn't give Mike Piazza nearly the credit he deserves; he's something like 12th overall). At the same time, on a team-specific list like this, longevity with the team definitely counts for something, even if it was a long period of mostly mediocrity (see: Ed Kranepool).
They're still paying that contract?
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