Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Amazin’ Avenue: UZR Hates The Mets Outfield

Ooh, baby, ooh-ee
It’s that million dollar bosch

The Mets have the 2nd worst Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) in baseball, at -20.1 runs.  Only the embarrassing Nationals measure out worse.  This number jumps off the page because the Omar Minaya Mets have been strong defensively.  They were worth +27.1, +6.8, and +9.8 defensive runs in 2008, 2007, and 2006, respectively. Team ERA outperformed team FIP in each of these seasons, consistent with a team that plays above average defense.  We’ve seen that UZR correlates decently with FIP-ERA.  Based on how poorly UZR rates Mets defense this year, one would expect team ERA to underperform team FIP.  This is not the case, as ERA is once again better than FIP by 0.11.  Compare to the Nationals, whose ERA is worse than their FIP by 0.52.  It’s always prudent to seek another opinion on defense statistics, so I looked at plus/minus (+/-) and Revised Zone Rating (RZR) to maybe figure out what the heck is going on here.

...The disparity between UZR and RZR regarding outfielders once again stands out.  R.J. Anderson noted at Fangraphs that UZR is still using Shea Stadium park factors for its calculations.  He proposed that this might be having an effect on Carlos Beltran’s poor UZR this season, but ultimately decided that such a small sample isn’t enough to make any conclusions.  Still, the 4 players who have played the most outfield innings for the Mets this season all rate worse per UZR than +/-.  It would be useful if a home/away UZR breakdown was available at Fangraphs, but it isn’t (yet).  Also useful would be an analysis of these stats for all team’s outfields to provide some context, but teamwide +/- data is not readily available.

Defense stats are inexact but always improving.  I agree with R.J. that less than half a season’s data is not much to go on either.  However, it might be wise to take Mets OF UZR with an even larger grain of salt than usual, atleast until Citi Field park factors are used in its calculation.

Repoz Posted: June 30, 2009 at 07:14 AM | 8 comment(s)
  Related News: GeneralSabermetricsNY Mets

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 1 pages
   1. Player X  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 07:07 AM (#3237537)
The Mets are seventh in defensive efficiency so far as well.
   2. Sam Hutcheson (perhaps some sort of ninja)  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 07:12 AM (#3237540)
I too hate the Mets outfield. Therefore I am UZR!
   3. Teal & Black  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 07:34 AM (#3237551)
Bahahaha. Nice one.
   4. BringBackTimTeufel  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 07:44 AM (#3237555)
Every Mets defensive statistic should come with a disclaimer that re-calculates, taking Johan Santana's starts into consideration.
   5. GM  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:37 AM (#3237698)
We’re talking about the same Mets outfield that’s regularly trotted out the likes of Gary Sheffield, Daniel Murphy and Fernando Tatis, right? That’s played Ryan Church and Fernando Martinez in center? The only thing that’d surprise me is if UZR actually liked the Mets outfield.
   6. RollingWave  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM (#3237701)
We’re talking about the same Mets outfield that’s regularly trotted Gary Sheffield, Daniel Murphy and Fernando Tatis out there? That’s played Ryan Church and Fernando Martinez in center? The only thing that’d surprise me is if UZR actually liked the Mets outfield.
this. Not to meantion Beltran have bummed knees
   7. AROM  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM (#3237722)
If there's a curse on the NY stadiums, it's from building them off public funds made possible by all the tax revenue received from the local firms as they made great profits from the poor folks who continued to pay their mortgages even after the rates shot up to 12%.
   8. Harris  Posted: June 30, 2009 at 12:46 PM (#3237873)
smoking causes lung cancer.
Page 1 of 1 pages

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

<< Back to main

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Martin Hemner
for his generous support.

My Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Vivid Seats is a sports ticket broker, concert ticket broker and theater ticket broker offering the best baseball tickets like Yankees tickets, Cubs tickets, and Red Sox tickets, as well as Police reunion tour tickets and Jersey Boys tickets.

We have baseball tickets, the NFL schedule, college football tickets and Cowboys tickets. We have NBA tickets like Celtics tickets and Lakers tickets. Plus, buy concert tickets, Patriots tickets and Colts tickets. Also check out our MLB baseball schedule

Baseball Bats

JustGreatTickets.com provides the best value for Chicago Cubs Tickets, MLB tickets including Red Sox Tickets, Yankees Tickets, SF Giants Tickets, LA Dodgers Tickets, Cleveland Indians Tickets. Get the best concert tickets like Jonas Brothers tickets and more Chicago Tickets.

Concerts Theatre NFL Angels Dodgers MLB Celtics Theater NBA Tickets Venues NHL Lakers Tickets NFL Yankees NHL Phillies NBA Wicked Marlins MLB Concerts Cubs Mets Red Sox Wicked WWE Red Sox Mets Yankees Dodgers

Major League Baseball: All Star Game, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, LA Angels, Washington Nationals, Chicago White Sox, and the Chicago Cubs.

Find terrific deals on Yankees tickets for the new home, Cubs tickets for classic Wrigley, or Red Sox tickets for Fenway with OnlineSeats. We have seats for every baseball game, including Dodgers tickets.

Page rendered in 6.6798 seconds
84 querie(s) executed