Technically speaking, couldn't they trade him in September to any team if he cleared waivers, or to a team "awarded" the claim is he didn't (it's just not likely to happen since any team (a) any team acquiring him would be unable to use him in the post-season and (b) his 10 and 5 rights would have kicked in, meaning he'd have to approve any trade.

Technically speaking, couldn't they trade him in September to any team if he cleared waivers, or to a team "awarded" the claim is he didn't

I don't think so. You can only put a player on revocable waivers once after July 31. Since he was claimed this time, the Braves can either revoke the waivers, work out a trade with the team awarded the claim or let him go (with his salary) to the claiming team for no return.

I'm not used to my team having an option in center field that would mean taking on Andrew Jones is a downgrade. Thank you, Carlos Beltran.

OK lets try to figure out who claimed him. He will make in 2006-13M and in 2007-13.5. Of course the Braves have already paid more then half of his 2006 salary so lets says about 19 mil for the next season and a half.

Base on cost and need..

Dodgers
Giants
Rockies
D-Backs
Cubs 14 games out and done, but would help for next year
Houston 7.6 games out but maybe.
Cards
Angels?
Rangers
Seattle Last in diviosn but only 3.5 half games out
White Sox
Tigers? Would they wake on the cash since they are over 8 game ahead
Red Sox
Yankees
Baltimore Seem to be sellers not buyers and are pretty much done in their divsion

These are teams I figure are possible. Maybe fans of the teams and comment on who's unlikely to take on the cash or won't move their CF. I know the Yanks and Cards have CF maybe they'd be willing to find a place for Jones.

OK lets try to figure out who claimed him.

The rumors on deadline day had the Red Sox after him - either to keep or to trade to the Stros for Oswalt. So I'd put those two teams high on the list. But I doubt the Sox will have enough to get a deal done unless they're willing to give up one of their young arms. The Astros are a more interesting possibility - would Lidge, Tavaras and a prospect be enough for the Braves? I assume Tavaras would get through waivers, but would Lidge?

The Twins or White Sox, who are both directly competing with the Red Sox and in need of an outfielder are the most likely culprits. It can't be the Yankees or Tigers since both have records that are better than the Red Sox. This just smacks of a blocking move by some team.

But I doubt the Sox will have enough to get a deal done unless they're willing to give up one of their young arms.

And to respond to myself, the ones on the 40 man roster (basically the ones who are desireable) will almost certainly not make it through waivers.

Red Sox? Twins? White Sox?

Andruw Jones most likely didn't even make it out of the National League. Please.

My guess is Cubs (with an eye to 07) or Astros (more likely, they could use a CF) got the claim.

There's no way Lidge gets through waivers.

Ah yes, who ever gets traded for him has to goes through waivers too. Is this just for guys on the 40 man roster or would minor leaguers have to make ti through too? You figure since he only have one more year on his deal, the braves would only trade him if they are looking to rebuild right?

I was listening to 680AM on the way home today, Jones had a lot to say about this (this is from Travis Haney of the Macon Telegraph):

-said that if Chipper or Smoltz were in the same situation, that the Braves would have treated them differently.

-he didn't know what a 10/5 was, let alone that he was less than two weeks away from being one (August 15th). When told what it meant, he said he would veto a trade.

-no one from the Braves has talked to him about this and that he'd really like JS to call him and explain things.

Pretty stunning stuff for a guy of his caliber and importance to the team.

I bet Hudson and Smoltz were put on waivers too.

The Mariners could use a centerfielder. Jeremy Reed hasn't worked out thus far (and he's on the DL) and they're using Adam Jones who was rushed. I just don't know if the M's want to take on that salary.

I bet Manny was put on waivers. (rimshot)

-no one from the Braves has talked to him about this and that he'd really like JS to call him and explain things.

Pretty stunning stuff for a guy of his caliber and importance to the team.

Don't a lot of players get placed on revocable waivers at this time of year? The stunning thing is that this made the news.

anyone have a good link to the waiver rules? i tend to forget them every year.

I'd rather see andruw in seattle than anywhere else, were he not to remain a brave.

Don't a lot of players get placed on revocable waivers at this time of year? The stunning thing is that this made the news.

That wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the team not telling him a thing about it after it had happened.

Andruw Jones most likely didn't even make it out of the National League. Please.

As has been discussed a number of times lately, there is no more NL, then AL (or vice versa.) The waiver order is done combined by record.

Don't a lot of players get placed on revocable waivers at this time of year? The stunning thing is that this made the news.

Yeah, a lot of players get placed on revocable waivers who the team has absolutely no interest in trading.

I wouldn't read anything at all into this story. The only thing that makes it mildly interesting is that the Braves have made some noise over the past 6-8 months about wanting out of Andruw Jones' contract. But if he wasn't dealt by the no-waiver deadline, I don't know why JS would be especially anxious to trade him a week later. As others have pointed out, its next to impossible to get fair value when anyone that you would want to trade for has to pass through waivers as well.

If the Braves were just looking to dump his salary, they would have done so by now, one would think.

I'm not used to my team having an option in center field that would mean taking on Andrew Jones is a downgrade. Thank you, Carlos Beltran.

I dunno. The Mets still could use him at a corner. Next year a Milledge/Beltran/Jones outfield would be awesome defensively. But I doubt that the Braves would be thrilled about him landing within their division.

anyone have a good link to the waiver rules? i tend to forget them every year.

This link was posted yesterday. Keith Law summarizes the basics as well as some less common facets of the waiver process.

The Mariners could use a centerfielder. Jeremy Reed hasn't worked out thus far (and he's on the DL)...

Maybe they could trade Clint Nagoette for Jones. :)


I think it's the Astros. The big rumor was that the Red Sox were trying to get Jones to parlay him into Oswalt, so the Astros must think very highly of Jones.

I don't think it's the Red Sox. He doesn't address their needs very well.


As has been discussed a number of times lately, there is no more NL, then AL (or vice versa.) The waiver order is done combined by record.

I'v read a couple things that say the AL/NL split IS still in effect for revocable waivers.

said that if Chipper or Smoltz were in the same situation, that the Braves would have treated them differently.

I want to think chipper was put on waivers in some recent yer, though he already had 10-5 rights.

JS and Boras need to sit down and tell Andruw that it more or less means nothing.

Not that it's likely that it went down this way, but I can't imagine Hendry not claiming Jones if he came available to the Cubs.

Andruw's 29 years old and he's been playing in the majors for a decade. If he doesn't understand the waivers process and 10-5 rights, it's his own fault. There's no reason for JS to explain anything to him.

Boras needs to get off his ass and explain this to him. If andruw is unhappy because of this, i blame boras.

Why is this news? How is this public information? Why was this scrolling on ESPN?

Arent any stars with palatable contracts claimed if they are put on waivers this month? Who wouldnt claim him?

He's not getting traded until the offseason, if at all.

JS and Boras need to sit down and tell Andruw that it more or less means nothing.

Keith Law himself said that waivers is done by leagues in one of these threads here. He opined that it is an anachronism that should be done away with since the league structure is not observed for the Rule 4 and Rule 5 drafts.

Not that it's likely that it went down this way, but I can't imagine Hendry not claiming Jones if he came available to the Cubs.

It does seem like the sort of splashy, big name move that Hendry seems to prefer. However, I could see him passing if he thought a trade would cost too much in talent. Andruw's not cheap and he would provide the Cubs with less value than he would a team that has an immediate use for him.

Keith Law:

Major league waivers (the ones we care about this month) still use the league distinction - same league first, other league second. And I have no qualms about saying how silly I think that is. It's gone in everything else, from outright waivers to the Rule 4 and Rule 5 drafts.

Michael Kay said on his radio show the Yankees would not claim Jones. He said they would have no room to put him in the outfield. I turned the radio off shortly after that. But he did pronounce the Red Sox "dead and buried" in the AL East although "they might beat Chicago for a wild card".
Question: why would Danny Aiello marry into that family?

Okay, I'll take the bait.

It says a team was awarded a claim on Thursday, so I'll make the perhaps faulty assumption that Jones was put on waivers on Wednesday (I vaguely recall something about 24 hours). If he was put on waivers on Wednesday, then we're probably talking about Tuesday's standings. I'm using these, although I have no idea if they are right.

Pittsburgh
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Houston/Florida/Philly
Milwaukee/Los Angeles
San Francisco/Colorado
Arizona
San Diego/Cincinnati
St. Louis
New York

I won't bother with the AL, because there's no way he gets there. Pittsburgh seems highly unlikely, although with the few million they saved by dealing Casey, etc., it'd be a fantastic idea to grab him and trade him this winter (I doubt he'd block the deal). Washington sorely needs a center fielder and Jones would make sense, but they need the cash to at least attempt to sign Soriano.

The Cubs could do it, but I doubt they'd give up the necessary young players, and they'd have to move Pierre into a corner spot if they want Jones to not demand a trade in the winter (which he'd have the right to do as a player being dealt in the middle of a multi-year deal, I suspect). He's not going to Philly with all their recent cuts, and obviously not the Marlins.

That brings us to the Astros, who even if the rumors aren't true is a perfect fit. They're willing to take on cash, they want to make one last run at it even with their current position in the standings, and they'll probably be willing to give up some good prospects (Probably Hirsh, Pence). Also, with only two teams ahead of Atlanta in the reverse standings, they might even be able to get a big leaguer or two back to them on waivers.

After that I could see quite a few teams claiming him (Giants, Dodgers), but I'd guess he's gone no later than Houston.

If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.

I don't think this is true.

From the Law article:

Major league waivers. These are the waivers in question during August. Between 4 pm on July 31st and the end of the season, players must clear major league waivers to be assigned to another major league club. These waivers are revocable, and they are also the waivers required for players in Choi's situation, who have options remaining but are more than three calendar years removed from their debuts on major league rosters. Although these waivers are revocable, if a player on major league waivers is claimed and the waiver request is revoked, a subsequent major league waiver request in the same waiver period will be irrevocable.

While that may effectively mean that he can't be traded again if they pull him back, I suppose it's possible that whoever claimed him this time wouldn't claim him a second time--not that the Braves would risk it. I'm just being pedantic.

Completely scratch what I said about Pittsburgh -- that made no sense.

The Cubs could do it, but I doubt they'd give up the necessary young players, and they'd have to move Pierre into a corner spot if they want Jones to not demand a trade in the winter (which he'd have the right to do as a player being dealt in the middle of a multi-year deal, I suspect).

Pierre's a free agent this offseason. I can't imagine a scenario where the Cubs wouldn't put a claim on Andruw Jones. He's <u>exactly</u> what Hendry imagines this team needs to become a contender in 2007.

well, andruw does LUUUVVVV hitting in the box.

but brad lidge will NOT make it thru waivers. roy will NOT make it thru waivers.

and i sure hope we are not giving up hirsh.

me i'd rather call up hunter pence

Pittsburgh seems highly unlikely, although with the few million they saved by dealing Casey, etc., it'd be a fantastic idea to grab him and trade him this winter (I doubt he'd block the deal).

He couldn't block the deal. He wouldn't have 10/5 rights if he's traded before August 15 - and he definitely won't have 5 years with the Pirates if they traded for him.

Claiming him would have been the smart thing for them to do - but I doubt they did it. Not that they likely have what the Braves would want anyway.

Non-news in the grandest sense.

If it's Washington, the Nationals are conceding they won't be able to sign Soriano.

but brad lidge will NOT make it thru waivers. roy will NOT make it thru waivers.

If it's common to put a lot of star players on waivers, isn't it possible other tradeable pieces already clear waivers.

Non-news in the grandest sense.

It's not that bad. It probably means that somebody really wants to make sure that Andruw Jones isn't traded to a competitor, and that's kinda interesting.

I'm guessing it's bad etiquette to claim a player unless you're serious about trading for him.

I wonder why this story wouldn't be about the multiple claims on Neif-EE Perez? Now THAT would be a real story...