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Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Angels to host 2010 All-Star game

ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP)—Commissioner Bud Selig finally got around Wednesday to announcing what the rest of baseball has known for more than a year: The Los Angeles Angels will host the 2010 All-Star Game.

The All-Stars will be at Anaheim for the first time since 1989, when Bo Jackson hit a 448-foot homer and was selected MVP. Nolan Ryan was the winning pitcher in the AL’s 5-3 victory, and John Smoltz, the only player still active from that game, took the loss.

The only other All-Star game in Anaheim was in 1967, a 2-1 NL victory in 15 innings, the longest All-Star Game in history. Tony Perez hit the game-deciding home run off Catfish Hunter.

The 2010 game is scheduled for July 13.

This will certainly provide a boon to the bustling city of Anaheim, which consists of Disneyland and the Fresca’s across the street from the Big A.

hunting for a halo-red october Posted: May 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM | 68 comment(s)
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   1. Gamingboy Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:15 PM (#2797936)
Get there in the third, leave in the seventh.
   2. Templeusox has reached his genetic threshold Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM (#2797937)
That's a joke. This city doesn't deserve ####.
   3. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:21 PM (#2797959)
The NL doesn't stand a chance against the Major League All-Stars of the American League.
   4. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:22 PM (#2797965)
#1, you haven't been to an Angels game in awhile, have you? Or have you ever been? It's not wise to make generalizations from a position of ignorance.

If people don't get there till the third, it's because traffic sucks. But the stadium stays pretty full all the way through the game. Also, the Angels are still second in the American League in attendance.

#2, are you saying the city and the team or just the city? If it's the latter, I agree with you.
   5. Halofan Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM (#2797979)
#1 - Dodger fans yes, Angel fans no.
#2 - Anaheim is home to the HAPPIEST PLACE ON EARTH
#3 - Arte will have bought out the name from the city by then.

More stereotypes about all things Angels here than the time George Lincoln Rockwell spoke about Roots to Alex Haley.
   6. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM (#2797985)
On Rev's point about the name change: I had a friend tell me today that he thinks Arte's gonna make a push for a new stadium after the 2010 All-Star Game. Once the lease is up, the city's back will be up against the wall--either they help pay for a new stadium and allow Arte to drop the "of Anaheim," or Arte moves the stadium elsehwere in SocCal. Could happen, I guess, but I'm fine with the BigA. It's still holding up pretty nicely.
   7. TerpNats Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM (#2798000)
I think Moreno would love to build a stadium in booming downtown L.A., perhaps not far from the Staples Center and convention center -- even if he had to pay for the land and build the ballpark himself. The Angel brand still suffers from being relatively out of the way, and playing within the city could enhance the franchise's value considerably. And legally, I doubt the Dodgers could stop him, since the city of Los Angeles is also Angels territory; this isn't like San Jose and the A's.
   8. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM (#2798014)
A Fresca's? I just remember two freeways, an empty lot, and a mini-mall.
   9. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:54 PM (#2798030)
#8, get your facts right.








...five major freeways pass through Anaheim.
   10. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: May 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM (#2798044)
Anaheim's a dump. I was there for the 199 NCAA hockey frozen four. There was ONE bar anywhere near the arena.
   11. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:01 AM (#2798050)
Certainly Anaheim isn't the greatest city in the world, but it could be worse:

It could be Oakland.
   12. Charlie O Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:53 AM (#2798123)
Oakland has plenty of warts but I'll take it over a soulless place like Anaheim anytime.
   13. Maury Brown Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:13 AM (#2798128)
• The 2010 All-Star Game will be the 81st Midsummer Classic.

• It will mark the third time that the Angels have hosted the All-Star Games, having also welcomed the Midsummer Classic in 1967 and 1989.

• The 1967 All-Star Game was played on July 11th, with the National League winning the 15-inning, 2-1 contest, the longest Midsummer Classic (in both innings and time) in history. All three of the runs scored in the game came via solo homers. Philadelphia’s Dick Allen hit a long ball off A.L. starting pitcher Dean Chance in the second inning. Baltimore’s Brooks Robinson tied it up in the sixth inning with a blast against Fergie Jenkins. The game would remain scoreless until the 15th, when Cincinnati’s Tony Perez put the N.L. on top with a one-out homer – and ultimately earned himself All-Star Game Most Valuable Player honors – against Catfish Hunter, who was in his fifth inning of relief work. Tom Seaver pitched a scoreless bottom of the 15th to secure the win for Don Drysdale.

• The 1989 Midsummer Classic also was held on July 11th, with the host American Leaguers earning a 5-3 victory. The 1989 All-Star Game, which featured former President Ronald Reagan in the crowd, was the first in history to feature use of the designated hitter. In the first inning, the National League used three singles, two walks and a double-steal to jump out to a 2-0 lead against American League starter Dave Stewart. With two outs and two men in scoring position, Kansas City sensation Bo Jackson made a spectacular running grab in left field, robbing Pedro Guerrero of a hit. In the bottom of the frame, Jackson led off with a towering center field home run, estimated at 448 feet, against N.L. starter Rick Reuschel, and Boston’s Wade Boggs followed with another blast to tie the score at 2-2. The A.L. tack on another run in the second, courtesy of Jackson’s RBI single, and four singles in the third inning plated two more runs. The two-sport star Jackson, the 1985 Heisman Trophy winner and a star tailback for the Los Angeles Raiders, finished with a 2-for-4 day at the plate and a stolen base. Before Jackson’s Most Valuable Player performance, Willie Mays had been the only player ever to homer and steal a base in an All-Star Game.

• The Angels have had three All-Star Game Most Valuable Players, and all three captured the honors in Chicago.

o Leon Wagner (3-for-4, 2 RBI) was the MVP of the second All-Star Game of the 1962 season at Wrigley Field in Chicago.
o Fred Lynn, the MVP of the 1983 All-Star Game at Comiskey Park in Chicago, hit perhaps the most famous home run in All-Star Game history. His third inning grand slam – the first in All-Star Game history – sent the American League on its way to a 13-3 victory, which broke the National League’s 11-year reign over the Midsummer Classic.
o In the first All-Star Game that featured the link to home-field advantage in the World Series, MVP Garret Anderson’s 3-for-4 day at the plate, which included a homer and a double, helped propel the A.L. to a dramatic, come-from-behind 7-6 win. Anderson had won the Home Run Derby the previous day.

• The Angels have had four pitchers who have been the American League’s starting hurler in the All-Star Game: Ken McBride (1963), Dean Chance (1964), Nolan Ryan (1979) and Mark Langston (1993).

Complete listing of every Angel player, manager, trainer, or coach to ever selected to be in an All-Star Game
   14. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:33 AM (#2798132)
Get there in the third, leave in the seventh.

I was unaware of the plans to move Anaheim to Chavez Ravine by 2010. Just something else Arthur C. Clarke got wrong.
   15. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:35 AM (#2798133)
Anaheim's a dump. I was there for the 199 NCAA hockey frozen four. There was ONE bar anywhere near the arena.

In fairness, that was 1,809 years ago. Back when Julio Franco was in AA.
   16. Softball-Playing Human Refuses to Be Walked Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:49 AM (#2798134)
Oakland has plenty of warts but I'll take it over a soulless place like Anaheim anytime.
The best thing only good thing about Oakland is its proximity to San Francisco.
   17. Philippe Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:51 AM (#2798135)
re: the 1989 All-Star Game

Ronald Reagan was not only in the crowd, he was a guest in the broadcast booth in the bottom of the first inning. It was very stilted an awkward, with the former President showing early signs of Alzheimer's, but you have to give it to him that he called Bo Jackson's homer as soon as the bat hit the ball. That was one of the most powerfully-hit balls I ever saw.
   18. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: May 29, 2008 at 03:16 AM (#2798136)
Early signs?
   19. Holliday in Alameda (jonathan) Posted: May 29, 2008 at 03:21 AM (#2798138)
Yeah, I've never heard the "come in the third leave in the seventh" thing applied to Angels fans. I always believed it was exaggerated with the Dodgers fans, but then I finally made my way to Chavez Ravine in like 2003 and it happened just like people said it did. I couldn't believe it.


I'm an A's fan, but I won't pretend like Oakland as a city doesn't suck. Thankfully, I don't have to live there. The Anaheim:Los Angeles::Oakland:San Francisco comparison would probably be apt, except L.A. sucks too.
   20. Bob T Posted: May 29, 2008 at 03:29 AM (#2798139)
The people who arrive in the third inning at Dodger Stadium and those who leave in the seventh are different sets of fans.
   21. Halofan Posted: May 29, 2008 at 04:58 AM (#2798141)
#7... Downtown LA is not booming, it is a lot of real estate hype.

If Moreno moves as his lease allows in 2016, demographic logic would be to another mid-point suburb (La MIrada, No more North than Brea, No further west than Downey)
   22. KingKaufman Posted: May 29, 2008 at 08:14 AM (#2798159)
The Anaheim:Los Angeles::Oakland:San Francisco comparison

Anaheim:Los Angeles::Walnut Creek:San Francisco

Anaheim:Oakland::El Paso:Paris

The only good thing about Oakland is its proximity to San Francisco.

This was never really true, and less so now than it used to be.
   23. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: May 29, 2008 at 09:17 AM (#2798185)
Anaheim:Los Angeles::Walnut Creek:San Francisco

Anaheim:Oakland::El Paso:Paris


Hey now...I happen to be fond of Paris, TX.
   24. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: May 29, 2008 at 09:23 AM (#2798192)
Yeah, I've never heard the "come in the third leave in the seventh" thing applied to Angels fans. I always believed it was exaggerated with the Dodgers fans, but then I finally made my way to Chavez Ravine in like 2003 and it happened just like people said it did. I couldn't believe it.
If we're discussing fans acting in a way you can't believe, I was stunned at the Rockies game I attended to see fans starting the wave in the second inning. The second inning! Come on!
   25. Craig Calcaterra Posted: May 29, 2008 at 09:42 AM (#2798204)
Yeah, I've never heard the "come in the third leave in the seventh" thing applied to Angels fans. I always believed it was exaggerated with the Dodgers fans, but then I finally made my way to Chavez Ravine in like 2003 and it happened just like people said it did. I couldn't believe it.


I went to my first Dodgers game last year and, unless it was a wildly unrepresentative night, I'm inclined to think that the sterotype only holds true for the richies down in the box seats along the lines. I sat in the upper deck just past third base. Got there early, and I was not alone. Those seats -- as well as almost all of the upper deck and bleacher seats -- were full by the first pitch and stayed full until the game ended in the bottom of the 10th inning. This despite it being a Friday game, which made traffic coming into the place absolute murder.

There are good fans at Dodger Stadium. They just aren't seen on camera very often.
   26. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 09:58 AM (#2798216)
Oakland's all right. The best thing about the East Bay is that we just couldn't give a crap about being thought of as cosmopolitan or artsy or whatever. Maybe that's changing now as Oakland and Emeryville are gentrifying, but when I was growing up, we worried about and took more pride in unions and sports teams (The Raiders, A's and Warriors had a nice run there in the 70's) than we did anything else. That HBO documentary about Oakland sports in the 70's cripples me with nostalgia.

Anaheim is all right, too, it's just different. I have yet to visit a place that didn't have something going for it.
   27. villageidiom Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM (#2798220)
I have yet to visit a place that didn't have something going for it.

Ever been to Worcester, Massachusetts?

Keep in mind I'm in the Hartford area. There are few places I can throw stones.
   28. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM (#2798226)
Ever been to Worcester, Massachusetts?

Keep in mind I'm in the Hartford area. There are few places I can throw stones.


Nope. I don't go to places I can't pronounce. Never been to Hartford either. Maybe I've just been lucky so far!
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM (#2798231)
Anaheim is all right, too, it's just different. I have yet to visit a place that didn't have something going for it.


I agree with both parts of this, there was nothing special about Anaheim but it was "nice". And even places like Millington Tenn, Oceanside CA or Stillwater OK (all places I've lived at one point in time or another) have something going for them. I like St Louis and San Diego the best, but still every place I've ever visited/lived I've been able to find something about the place to like.
   30. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:20 AM (#2798235)
I agree with both parts of this, there was nothing special about Anaheim but it was "nice". And even places like Millington Tenn, Oceanside CA or Stillwater OK

I was born in Millington you bastard! (Vietnam. Father stationed there. I just tell everyone I was born in Hayward as it makes things easier. I actually have yet to visit Millington though I drove through it once.)
   31. Boots Day Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:21 AM (#2798237)
I don't go to places I can't pronounce. Never been to Hartford either.

It's HART-ferd. Just like it's spelled.
   32. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:26 AM (#2798242)
It's HART-ferd. Just like it's spelled.

I think I'll make it my business to find Hartford unpronouncable.
   33. flournoy Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:33 AM (#2798245)
And even places like Millington Tenn, Oceanside CA or Stillwater OK (all places I've lived at one point in time or another) have something going for them.


What is wrong with Oceanside such that you would include it in an "even these places" list? I used to live in neighboring Vista, and I thought Oceanside was fine.
   34. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: May 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM (#2798261)
I have yet to visit a place that didn't have something going for it.


Nevada, Missouri.
   35. Devin McCullen cries "Enraha!" Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:04 AM (#2798267)
Ever been to Worcester, Massachusetts?

I have. The Armor Museum was frickin' cool.
   36. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM (#2798290)
There are good fans at Dodger Stadium. They just aren't seen on camera very often.


Laker games are the same way, although the cameras often do show the serious Dodger fans. If you sit in the higher levels at Staples, you sit with (presumably) middle-class and working-class fans who love the Lakers, cheer like maniacs, and stay the whole game, often even in blowouts. With the Lakers in particular, and maybe the Dodgers too, groups of working-class fans will sometimes go in on two season tickets with like 8 people. I am sure this happens in other cities as well, of course, but I don't see it talked about much in relation to the Lakers and Dodgers. Also, the racial composition of the crowds in the Staples nosebleeds tends to be very mixed, with many more Latinos and blacks than you see in the movie-star and company-held-with-management-personnel-living-in-Pacific-Palisades- seats. IOW, LA sports and are not as "diiferent" and "dispassionate" as some media people would have you believe.
   37. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:28 AM (#2798292)
I used to live in neighboring Vista, and I thought Oceanside was fine.


Oceanside has a rough edge, but it is a nice place.
   38. Craig Calcaterra Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:33 AM (#2798296)
Also, the racial composition of the crowds in the Staples nosebleeds tends to be very mixed, with many more Latinos and blacks than you see in the movie-star and company-held-with-management-personnel-living-in-Pacific-Palisades- seats.


I observed that where I was sitting in Dodger stadium as well. The crowd was heavily working class and Latino, and the atomosphere was not unlike that which I have experienced at east coast stadiums. Very knowledgable fans. Very passionate. Very few cell phones in active use. It was a great game and my section was rockin.'
   39. Lassus Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM (#2798299)
I have yet to visit a place that didn't have something going for it.

Moreno Valley, CA and Utica, NY would stage a fabulous death match for this title.


And then the winner would be stomped to death in 3 seconds flat by Bakersfield.
   40. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:39 AM (#2798301)

And then the winner would be stomped to death in 3 seconds flat by Bakersfield.


Ever been to Modesto? I have been to Moreno Valley.
   41. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2798325)
Ever been to Modesto? I have been to Moreno Valley.

I like Modesto! And Bakersfield has the desert and honky tonks. I guess I have a low standard for interesting. I like hiking in all kinds of environments--deserts, mountains, prairies, whatever--and I like to drink in dive bars or at least interesting bars. So it doesn't take much to make me happy in a place, I guess. You guys are all too high falutin!
   42. Lassus Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM (#2798331)
robinred - yes. But someplace has to be the worst, and even Modesto's claim falls short. Barely.

As far as highfalutin, I'll direct you to my beloved hometown of Oriskany, NY. But Bakersfield is just gross. It does not, however, smell as bad as Fresno.

Dive bars? I suggest Wells, Halleck, Elko, or West Wendover NV. Those places make Bakersfield look like the Hamptons.

(BTW, I really do love California.)
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM (#2798332)
What is wrong with Oceanside such that you would include it in an "even these places" list? I used to live in neighboring Vista, and I thought Oceanside was fine.


I was in the Marines at the time, and I was 18 and it was the first "seedy" part of town that I ever discovered. So my memories of it, are similar to Millington with regards to being strip clubs and prostitutes. (this was 1988-89) There were good things too, but my initial exposure to the place was less than "clean".
   44. Will Young Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:10 PM (#2798338)
Perhaps with the hordes of people descending upon Anaheim in 2010, one of them could see fit to run over Physioc with his car numerous times.
   45. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:17 PM (#2798343)
I like Modesto! And Bakersfield has the desert and honky tonks. I guess I have a low standard for interesting. I like hiking in all kinds of environments--deserts, mountains, prairies, whatever--and I like to drink in dive bars or at least interesting bars. So it doesn't take much to make me happy in a place, I guess. You guys are all too high falutin!


There is a certain decayingdesertlandscapepoeticsonglyric appeal to those towns--El Paso, too. But I wouldn't call them "nice." "Interesting" maybe.
   46. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM (#2798348)
There is a certain decayingdesertlandscapepoeticsonglyric appeal to those towns--El Paso, too. But I wouldn't call them "nice." "Interesting" maybe.

Oh, I didn't call them nice. Their lack of nice-ness is the appeal, I guess. La Jolla is nice and Monterey is practically heaven and that has its charm, but I want the totality.
   47. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2798351)
Ever been to Worcester, Massachusetts?
Dylan just played there, so that's something. It was the closest locale to Philly. My son and friends drove up and back in a night. Ah, to be 19 and energetic.

Nevada, Missouri
On top of that, they don't pronounce either of their names right. Neh-VAY-da Mih-ZOR-rah.
   48. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2798352)
Oh, I didn't call them nice.


I know. There is a kind of pathos in surface decay and ugliness in towns.
   49. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM (#2798361)
I know. There is a kind of pathos in surface decay and ugliness in towns.

Yeah. I'm a bit of a romantic about it.
   50. robinred Posted: May 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM (#2798364)
I'm a bit of a romantic about it.


Makes for good literature, poetry and song.
   51. Shredder Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:10 PM (#2798415)
Ever been to Modesto? I have been to Moreno Valley.
Mo-Val's not that bad. You have some really top notch golf courses close by, and a crapload more within an hour's drive. You have two separate mountain ranges in close proximity. It's 15 minutes from a fairly rapidly growing university (double the student body now compared to 1995). 45 minutes or so from the beach. Pretty close to Southern California's wine country. Not much further from there to San Diego. And only about a three and half hour drive from Vegas.

There are lot of places in Middle America that have nothing on Moreno Valley. I'd certainly take it over Bakersfield. Though I imagine a Mo-Val and Modesto have a lot of similar things going for them.
   52. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#2798447)
Someone mentioned Utica, NY which is not a bad choice. Upstate NY is really, really dire. If the problem of crime is ever somehow miraculously solved, what little economy they have functioning up there is really going to go to hell*.

Also, I will become unemployed so...you know, if you're thinking about doing something illegal, keep it up.

*Because they have lots of prisons, not because their economy is somehow crime-based.
   53. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:36 PM (#2798462)
The 1989 All-Star Game, which featured former President Ronald Reagan in the crowd

Was this the game when he broadcast and pronounced Julio Franco's name with the "J"? And Lou Whitaker forgot his uniform so he had to buy one at a sporting good store and draw a "1" on it? Or am I conflating like 3 or 4 games and maybe some dreams as well?
   54. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2798476)
The 1989 All-Star Game, which featured former President Ronald Reagan in the crowd

Was this the game when he broadcast and pronounced Julio Franco's name with the "J"? And Lou Whitaker forgot his uniform so he had to buy one at a sporting good store and draw a "1" on it? Or am I conflating like 3 or 4 games and maybe some dreams as well?


I think this was the game when Reggie Jackson was under the control of a mind control device and pulled a gun from underneath second base and all the players' wives were just spitting and spitting and spitting and spitting...
   55. flournoy Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2798478)
Lou Whitaker forgot his uniform so he had to buy one at a sporting good store and draw a "1" on it?


I will not believe this one without some proof.
   56. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:50 PM (#2798489)
Lou Whitaker forgot his uniform so he had to buy one at a sporting good store and draw a "1" on it?


I will not believe this one without some proof.


This really happened. Lou was great!
   57. DL from MN Posted: May 29, 2008 at 01:55 PM (#2798497)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/491921413_c22197f705.jpg?v=0
   58. Traderdave Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:02 PM (#2798509)
IIRC, that "jersey" Lou was waering was a glorified t-shirt purchased at a Metrodome souvenir stand.
   59. villageidiom Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:03 PM (#2798511)
Dylan just played there, so that's something. It was the closest locale to Philly. My son and friends drove up and back in a night. Ah, to be 19 and energetic.

When I was 19 I was in Worcester, energetically trying to leave.

That said, in Worcester I saw three of the best concerts I've ever been to: Ray Charles, The Allman Brothers Band, and Peter Gabriel.

I'm pretty sure they left, too.
   60. Lassus Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:08 PM (#2798520)
Also, I will become unemployed so...you know, if you're thinking about doing something illegal, keep it up.

RB, do you have something to do with the prisons upstate? They are everywhere, yes. My sister used to walk to the county jail to buy cigarettes at the vending machine there when she was about 14. And the Marcy Maximum Security Prison for the Criminally Insane was the prettiest sight in the night sky from my roof. Also, it bordered on one of the nicer golf courses, so you would on occasion hear screaming of various sorts as you were teeing off.
   61. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2798529)
If prisons leave your area, is your last best economic hope landfills?
Then again, I read recently that Erie, PA is trying to beef up their tourism industry. Talk about your long shots.
   62. An Athletic in Soxland Posted: May 29, 2008 at 02:16 PM (#2798534)
There is a kind of pathos in surface decay and ugliness in towns."


Now, who says Worcester's got nothing going for it?

Several places in town are poor, dirty, and/or have fairly high crime rates. It's not a great place, but there are some good things. There's minor league baseball and hockey, lots of universities, a few good bars, a couple of good parks. There's a current gentrification effort happening, and several neighborhoods that were ####holes 10-15 years ago have greatly improved.

And for its many faults, at least it's not Springfield.
   63. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: May 29, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2798794)
Erie's a beautiful town these days, or at least it was 10 years ago. The river's really been cleaned up.
   64. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: May 29, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#2798811)
Troy, NY is epic fail.
   65. bads85 Posted: May 29, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2798816)
Erie's a beautiful town these days, or at least it was 10 years ago. The river's really been cleaned up


So has Lake Erie --- there are some great beaches at the state park. Erie has a great minor league park also.
   66. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: May 29, 2008 at 05:30 PM (#2798832)
Erie's a beautiful town these days, or at least it was 10 years ago. The river's really been cleaned up.

I spent 1+ years there in college in '69-'70 and it was a dump. I know that PSU Behrend has a lot happening now compared to the 2 dorm, 2 class room building days when I was there. Didn't know much about Erie though, so it's nice to hear.

There were two forms of entertainment back then and one of them is non-existent any more. One was driving around the public dock, which got old on lap 2. The other, now bygone, entertainment for the under 21 set was to drive to NY state where the drinking age was 18. Surviving those rides back is closest that I can come to believe in divine intervention.

Serious question: Does Lake Erie ever get warm enough to swim in?
   67. bads85 Posted: May 29, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2798836)
Serious question: Does Lake Erie ever get warm enough to swim in?


Yes -- in the summer.
   68. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: May 30, 2008 at 04:24 AM (#2799429)
Yeah, I've never heard the "come in the third leave in the seventh" thing applied to Angels fans. I always believed it was exaggerated with the Dodgers fans, but then I finally made my way to Chavez Ravine in like 2003 and it happened just like people said it did. I couldn't believe it.

In fairness, it's essential impossible to get to Chavez Ravine from most parts of LA by 7 PM if you work anything resembling normal hours. I once left for a game from West LA at 5:30 and didn't get there until 7:30. And me getting off at 5:30 is me getting off really early.
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