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Gee, thanks that you left it at that, how courteous.
"He's also a child molester and a member of the Klan, and I'm going to leave it at that."
And risk having Gibbons put a full-nelson on you when you have your back turned?
Agreed, you can't have a manager challenging a player to a fight. It undercuts his professionalism.
#36 "It could well be that Gibbons had absolutely no choice but to call out Hillenbrand or totally lose the respect of the team."
What if Shea took up Gibbons's challenge and beats Gibbons silly. Maybe the challenge itself would prevent the loss of respect irrespective of the outcome. But I'm guessing a beat down from Shea would harm Gibbon's respect. In the case of a beat down, Gibbons issued a challenged and had a player shut him up with a fist down his throat. I agree that Gibbons needed to take action to keep the team's respect but the verbal reprimand should have been enough.
Hillebrand is an #######, Gibbons is an #######, and Ricciardi seems asleep at the wheel.
We'll soon see if J.P. is bluffing, and how much cash (if any) he ends up swallowing...
Perhaps 'A source' and the snitch are the same person? :P
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But they couldn't even get replacement-level(and third-best 2B available on his own team/AAA team) Adam Kennedy and his contract for Hillenbrand to begin with, so....
Adam Kennedy? Replacement level? Give me a break. The guy's been a Gold-Glover and an above-average hitter for four straight years, all of a sudden he's replacement level because of a few bad months? And Legs Figgins can't even carry Kennedy's glove around the bag, btw. And, honestly, though Howie Kendrick projects better over the next decade (duh) I'm not convinced he projects better for the rest of this season (though I'd lean toward saying he does); I suspect the odds are pretty good Kennedy will revert to an EqA in the .260 range the rest of the year, and I don't know that Kendrick is much better than that right now, and it's questionable that his defense is as good as Kennedy's (though Adam has decline a bit in that regard).
(The Star also has the Angels and Phillies as the teams showing the most interest in Hillenbrand.)
To recap:
"play for yourselves" = Hillenbrand
"play for a paycheck" = Zaun
"sinking ship" = ??? (Chris Truby! It was probably him! Check his alibi!)
This was columnist Jeff Blair. I heard him say it myself and he wasn't quoting anyone.
And, thanks for the memories, Harvey. I watched Reggie and Billy go at it on a lazy Saturday afternoon with my Mom. I was six. I think Dad was mowing.
Was one of his parents on the Titanic or something (and Shea knew that)?
Because that's the only excuse I can see for losing your mind enough to challenge Hillenbrand to a fight, if he indeed did that.
What Gibbons does nothing and definitely, not maybe, definitely looks like an utter [kittycat]? (Gibbons was a catcher; Michael Barrett's girly punch notwithstanding, I wouldn't want to fight a catcher.)
It's so easy to sit back and call him a tool etc., but none of us knows what led up to Gibbons blowing his top. Any of us could construct a scenario where a reasonable person would consider what Hillenbrand did a last straw. And any of us could construct a scenario where a childish idiot drives one over the edge.
You have a point about catchers. Historically, they have been a pretty tough group.
But I think the "champ" has to be Charles "Boss" Schmidt of the Tigers in the first decade of the 20th century. Among his pasttimes was pounding nails into the wall of the dugout--with his FIST.
He also endeared himself to the Tiger squad by beating the living sh*t out of Ty Cobb on the last day of the 1906 season. Local observers at the time insisted that was a catalyst for the Tigers run of 3 straight pennants. Guys knew that Schmidt would keep Cobb in line. Or at least from Ty beating the cr*p out of THEM.
That's good, never heard that one.
Oil Smith came in for some major toughness props in the NHBA.
Two men enter; one man leaves.
God I hated that movie. That's one of those sequels (like G'father III) you just wish they'd treat like it never existed and reshoot entirely w/new script and new actors.
Oh god no. Not only is Hillenbrand not any better than David Bell, I don't think he'll help much with the whole "this ship is sinking, play for your salary" attitude that ex-Phillies players have been complaining about lately.
Excellent movie for about, what, 45 minutes? Then ick. Gibson's first shot at meaningfulness, led to some better efforts.
Tsuyoshi Shinjo's grand entrance: Shinjo enjoyed a respectable rookie season for the Mets in 2001 but followed it up with two forgettable years for the Giants and Mets. After that, I assumed he'd just fallen off the face of the Earth. But, oh boy, was I wrong. The flamboyant Shinjo -- who announced in April that he would retire after the season to possibly become a nude model -- recently made the most ridiculous baseball entrance ever. Abner Doubleday had to be doing barrel rolls in his grave.
Since they designated him for assignment, and I believe he can reject an assignment to the minors, he would become a free agent. (If he can't reject the assignment to the minors, then they could suspend him, or try to, and the union would fight it, claiming that Gibbons's conduct violated all sorts of provisions of the CBA, the Geneva Conventions, and the UN Charter. Hillenbrand would then be sent to Guantanamo to await the outcome of the arbitration.)
I've called it before and I'll call it again- the World Series is gonna be Jays vs. Mets. This has gotta be the year.
Fighting I tell you! And not some wimpy barroom brawl in a undisclosed location, I want them fighting with Baseball bats and catchers gear, TO THE DEATH. On TOP OF THE <strike>SKYDOME</strike> ROGERS CENTRE. And the roof would have OPEN AND CLOSE DURING THE BATTLE, so they'd have a moving battlefield.
That'd be so freaking awesome, if only it had happened.
So let me see if I have this right. Gibbons challenged Hillenbrand to a fight because he wrote something on a message board as a joke, as part of something going on with a group of other players?
Heavens to Betsy, I can't imagine anyone getting mad over a joke post on a message board.
Excellent....
Did we ever have a thread on this?
Yes:
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No, the Blue Jays have to pay him his full salary, even if he rejects his assignment. Otherwise any team that has an bloated contract could just demote that player and hope they they don't want to spend time riding buses in the minors.
But Gibbons didn't do nothing (I'm assuming you forgot an if after what). He verbally reprimanded Shea, in front of the whole team no less. The interesting thing is that now I'm reading Shea is not only one involved. Why didn't Gibbons reprimand them as well?
It's so easy to sit back and call him a tool etc., but none of us knows what led up to Gibbons blowing his top. Any of us could construct a scenario where a reasonable person would consider what Hillenbrand did a last straw. And any of us could construct a scenario where a childish idiot drives one over the edge.
A "don't judge until you've walked in that person's shoe" point... I don't know, it's a reasonable point. Unless Shea made a personal comment about Gibbon's family or a couple other sacred areas (now or in the past), I don't think your point stands. There a few sacred areas you don't touch (e.g. family, personal illnesses, personal trajedies) and unless Shea touched one them, Gibbons' professionalism take a hit in this incident.
Agreed...a better man/manager could've done it differently. Maybe. It's a difficult tightrope you walk, managing a baseball team. If you slip once in a while, I'd expect that too.
If I were in Ricciardi's shoes, I would probably have tried to make Gibbons and Hillenbrand make nice after Gibbons cooled down. Gibbons works for me, not Gibbons.
That's good, never heard that one.
Oil Smith came in for some major toughness props in the NHBA."
Both of them from Arkansas...hm. One of them from a town called Coal Hill, AR which just sounds like the home of someone that could hammer nails with his fist
And Hillenbrand is wrong, the ship was sunk somewhere around the time Josh Towers was permitted to get more than 6 decisions.
He'll get a job somewhere and I'm sure he'll be well-behaved for a few months.
Besides, we don't know what the Jays have tried to do over the last two months to deal with the situation. We only know what they've done now, which is DFA him. As far as we know, they've tried jerk therapy, kitten-snuggling, clubbing him over the head with bats, or any of a hundred other things to try and deal with him.
As a side note, on a purely coincidental basis, I seem to remember that the trade rumors surrounding Hillenbrand first started about two months ago, so it's entirely possible that they were trying to do something about the situation. It could just be that no other team really felt like helping them out.
I just got criticized for dropping Gomes in my fantasy league, but of course, I've tried to trade him dozens of times since the end of May. The other guy didn't know that.
If he couldn't fetch Kennedy....
Because that's the only excuse I can see for losing your mind enough to challenge Hillenbrand to a fight, if he indeed did that.
Apparently, Gibby's sister and mother are both sluts.
Hey man, i'm from the south too. I certainly wasn't making any blanket statements about Arkansas and i object to the general "ha southerners are stupid rednecks" stuff too. I wasn't trying to say that...just noting a coincidence.
Plus, hammering nails into a wall with your fist is something to be proud of.
As for Coal Hill, regardless of the state and of what kind of town it actually is it does evoke a certain image. An image which i actually respect.
Conspiracy!
Shea could have said "Too soon?"
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