Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, June 21, 2007

A’s GM Beane rescued Hatteberg

I’ll Save You, E(L)!...and make sure you rent The Perils of Pauline DePodesta with Adam Dunn as the evil Snidely Whip-lasher!

If it weren’t for Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane, Scott Hatteberg doesn’t know what he’d be doing today.

“I could be working at a Blockbuster somewhere,” said Hatteberg

...Beane appreciated Hatteberg’s approach at the plate, and the experiment to turn Hatteberg into a first baseman was the basis for a chapter in the 2003 best-seller “Moneyball” by Michael Lewis about Beane.

Hatteberg said teammate Adam Dunn even bought the book just so he could read that chapter and make fun of him.

“I liked the part about his wife hitting him fungoes,” Dunn said. “That’s the only good part about that book.”

Repoz Posted: June 21, 2007 at 11:57 AM | 53 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
  Related News: GeneralCincinnatiOakland

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 1 pages
   1. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:16 PM (#2411846)
“I liked the part about his wife hitting him fungoes,” Dunn said. “That’s the only good part about that book.”
Boy, is the joke ever going to be on Dunn when he gets sent to Oakland next week
   2. The Essex Snead Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM (#2411854)
Ha - Adam Dunn, meet folding chair.
   3. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:31 PM (#2411856)
Hatteberg saved win #20. (For all the talk about postseason failure with the A's, that 20 game winning streak is probably one of my favorite moments as an A's fan. If I had to decide between it and a WS win, I'd actually have to think about it.) He'll always be a giant in Oakland. And he's way too sharp to have ever ended up in a Blockbuster. He would have been fine.
   4. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:46 PM (#2411868)
If I had to decide between it and a WS win, I'd actually have to think about it.

I wouldn't take 162-0 in trade for the Sox 2005 WS win. Maybe that's just me.
   5. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2411869)
“I liked the part about his wife hitting him fungoes,” Dunn said. “That’s the only good part about that book.”
Boy, is the joke ever going to be on Dunn when he gets sent to Oakland next week


The funny thing is, that Dunn is the ideal Moneyball guy according to Michael Lewis' version of the philosphy. You'd think he'd like a book where a guy with his talents is appreciated instead constantly criticized and subject to trade rumors.
   6. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:54 PM (#2411870)
I don't know how long Shooty's been an A's fan, but I imagine he has '89, if not '72 thru '74. I'd be surprised if he remembers 1930.
   7. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:55 PM (#2411872)
This thread is confusing. Dunn's comment is hilarious. Everyone's, like, criticizing him for his joke.
   8. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM (#2411875)
I wouldn't take 162-0 in trade for the Sox 2005 WS win. Maybe that's just me.

It could be that I just don't value things correctly, but that 20 game win streak was an insane amount of fun, and the last 5 games especially were as tense as any postseason game I've seen. And, of course, win #20 was insane. I'd probably still take a WS, but lots of teams have won a WS. Only 2 teams have won 20 in a row.
   9. plim Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM (#2411876)
why is this news now?
   10. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:06 PM (#2411882)
I don't know how long Shooty's been an A's fan, but I imagine he has '89, if not '72 thru '74. I'd be surprised if he remembers 1930.

I was born in '72, so I only really have '89 and, after the earthquake, it was hard to get into that series. So I really have never experienced the true joy of a WS win. (Weirdly, when the earthquake first hit, my first worry was that the power went out and I was going to miss the game. My second worry was that my stacks of baseball cards were going to fall off my shelf. 5 seconds later, I was more worried the fat lady upstairs--literally--was going to fall through the ceiling and kill me.)

I wasn't criticizing Dunn, BTW. I just thought he'd raed that book and think to himself, "Man, there is a place whwere fat guys who hit home runs and strike out a lot are loved! I only have to click my cleats together 3 times and say There's no place like Oakland. There's no place like Oakland. There's no place like Oakland." Of course, we already have our Dunn: Cust ops+ 164 Dunn +135 I know it won't last, but that's just crazy.
   11. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:08 PM (#2411885)
why is this news now?


Interleague series between the two. Is it the first time the Reds and A's have played since the 1990 Series? First time in Oakland? Who cares?
   12. Craig Calcaterra Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:11 PM (#2411888)
why is this news now?


Um, because despite the fact that we all read Moneyball, most folks haven't, and Hatteberg's return to Oakland makes for a nice little human interest story in the mainstream Cincy paper.
   13. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:19 PM (#2411901)
Dunn's comment is hilarious. Everyone's, like, criticizing him for his joke.
Oh, I'm definitely not criticizing him, because his joke absolutely is hillarious. But I do think that if he ends up in Oakland that would be pretty enjoyable in its own way.
   14. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:21 PM (#2411906)
It could be that I just don't value things correctly, but that 20 game win streak was an insane amount of fun, and the last 5 games especially were as tense as any postseason game I've seen. And, of course, win #20 was insane. I'd probably still take a WS, but lots of teams have won a WS. Only 2 teams have won 20 in a row.


Despite the number of objects flung across the room in October of 2000...2001...2002...2003, I gotta agree that the twenty game streak at least takes the sting out of, if not makes up for, the considerable playoff heartbreaks. It's the most fun I've ever had as an A's fan, #20 was easily the most awesomely communal sporting event I've attended, and it's one of the rare times that there was a palpable excitement about the A's in the Easy Bay air during the regular season. Add to that the number and variety of unlikely ways to win: a mess of scoreless outings from Cory Lidle (Cory Lidle!), Tejada's string of big hits, three wins from your closer, the comeback win in Detroit...even John Mabry was playing well. What a lot of fun.

Hatteberg was a big part of that, and I'll always have good memories of him because of his role on that team.
   15. Levi Stahl Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:34 PM (#2411921)
I'm just disappointed to learn that Dunn has taken up reading again. I remember a few years ago when he claimed to have only read two books: a kid's book back in school called Summer of the Monkeys and Friday Night Lights.
   16. Flynn Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:34 PM (#2411924)
The best/worst part about #20 was that it wasn't even in TV in San Francisco.
   17. xbhaskarx Posted: June 21, 2007 at 01:38 PM (#2411928)
"They had Dan Johnson coming up (at first base), and with the Oakland A's it's all about turnover, that's how they keep the payroll down," Hatteberg said. "They had him coming up and he's going to be something. It was the move I would have made, it was obvious. It was time for me to move on and that was that. It wasn't a move that shocked me."

maybe hatte should be a GM, and brian sabean should work at blockbuster.

(proud game 20 attendee, RF bleachers)
(hatte is a F'ing legend)
   18. robinred Posted: June 21, 2007 at 02:03 PM (#2411954)
Dunn has a Kruk-style future in commentating if he wants it. Whatever his faults as a ballplayer (and I think the Reds have ###### it up by focusing on his negatives as I have said, so I am not a Dunn-basher) he is pretty funny.
   19. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: June 21, 2007 at 02:09 PM (#2411959)
he is pretty funny


Agree. Does anybody remember his quote from the All-Star game in 2002? Some reporter asked him if he knew he was the youngest player on the NL All-Star team. He replied, "I'm also the funniest and most handsome." (Or something like that.)
   20. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: June 21, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2411970)

The funny thing is, that Dunn is the ideal Moneyball guy according to Michael Lewis' version of the philosphy. You'd think he'd like a book where a guy with his talents is appreciated instead constantly criticized and subject to trade rumors.


Given that the biggest basher of "moneyball" is the ultimate "moneyball" player (Joe Morgan), I am begining to believe that high-OBP guys objecting to "Moneyball" is the baseball equivelant of "Stockholm Syndrome"
   21. Delino DeShields & Yarnell Posted: June 21, 2007 at 02:29 PM (#2411975)
Joe Morgan should have never read that book to Adam Dunn.
   22. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 03:55 PM (#2412046)
When Koch gave up the tying runs in the 9th to that little scrubby Royal, I hit myself in the head with the baseball bat I had been clutching the whole game. Gave myself a mild concussion, and watched Hatteberg's home run in a half-aware stupor, and it still ranks among my top ten baseball-watching moments.
   23. Al Kaline Trio Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:05 PM (#2412060)
As an 8 year old I think I was hooked into baseball when Canseco (my favorite player at the time, what did I know about jerks and steroids?) hit the grand slam against the Dodgers in the WS. My dad was a big Dodgers fan and I remember jumping on the couch and being a little #### pointing and laughing. I guess my dad got the last laugh that day, but I also learned what it would be like as a baseball fan (and life) that day.
   24. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2412066)
Fellow A's fans, did anyone else see mlb.com is claiming we designated Milton Bradley for assignment?
What the crap? Is he being traded? Did he get angry about how long it is taking him to come back from injury and shiv Swisher?
   25. Danny Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:20 PM (#2412080)
From the CC Times:
Bradley went 0-for-3 with a walk. He took a called third strike in his final at-bat and appeared to have some heated words for home plate umpire Tim Timmons until Geren came out to pick up the discussion.

Bradley was still upset about something as he left the clubhouse after the game. As he climbed the stairs just outside the clubhouse, Bradley threw a couple of plastic chairs down the stairs and shouted expletives. Asked about the incident, general manager Billy Beane said he and Bradley had a discussion but described it as a "private thing."

"He wasn't that upset when he left (the meeting)," Beane said. "You just never know. We'll check on him (today)."

Bradley wasn't available for comment.
   26. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:21 PM (#2412082)
Fellow A's fans, did anyone else see mlb.com is claiming we designated Milton Bradley for assignment?
What the crap? Is he being traded? Did he get angry about how long it is taking him to come back from injury and shiv Swisher?


Holy crap. It looks to be legit. I'm flabbergasted. What the hell happened? Keith Law? Are you out there, brother? What's the scoop?
   27. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:22 PM (#2412083)
Bradley threw a couple of plastic chairs down the stairs and shouted expletives. Asked about the incident, general manager Billy Beane said he and Bradley had a discussion but described it as a "private thing."

I will sacrifice my Hank Aaron bobblehead to the Gods of Irony if MB is getting DFA'ed for throwing chairs. How cool would that be?
   28. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:24 PM (#2412084)
Man, I hope it's a trade. Losing him for nothing would suck-he's one of my favorite A's when he's not broken in many pieces.

Maybe Beane'll trade him to the Raiders.
   29. Danny Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:26 PM (#2412086)
I'm sure someone will give some value for him, but I doubt it's much.
   30. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:27 PM (#2412087)
Wow. Free above-average outfielder.
   31. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:29 PM (#2412090)
Milton to center, Damon to DL!!
   32. Dan The Mediocre Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:30 PM (#2412091)
If the Cubs hadn't just dealt the the Barrett bull****, I'd think Hendry might be jumping on this.
   33. AROM Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:31 PM (#2412092)
Its a bit of a shock, but I can understand not wanting to deal with Bradley if he's causing trouble.

Sure, he's talented, but when:

1) He's hurt all the time
2) he's a free agent to be
3) Kotsay, Buck, and Swisher can handle the OF, with the surprisingly healthy Shannon Stewart in a backup role.

You really don't need him.

Where does he go? I'd like to see him with the Orioles. Maybe the Giants, White Sox, or Cardinals take a chance on him.
   34. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:32 PM (#2412093)
So I guess we're going with a makeshift OF of Buck, Swisher, Kotsay and Stewart. I imagine Cust will play some left field, too, when Piazza gets back. Kielty should be back soon to be the 5th guy in the outfield. I'm sad to lose MB, but something behind the scenes must be going on. Maybe this will be the Jeremy Giambi moment for this year. Billy Beane is nothing if not decisive.
   35. AROM Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:33 PM (#2412096)
If the Cubs hadn't just dealt the the Barrett bull****, I'd think Hendry might be jumping on this.

Maybe they opened up a spot for designated a**h*le by moving Barrett first. Seems like the Cubs need an outfielder like they need another 2B though.
   36. bunyon Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:34 PM (#2412098)
I love streaks - winning streaks, hitting streaks, whatever. The thing about them, as opposed to a playoff series, is that you know they'll end. So you've won 20 in a row? You're going to lose, eventually. So it is like a brave stand against certain death. Whereas a playoff series entails hope and gain (I'm not knocking winning series) and disappointment if you lose. I like a situation that is, ultimately, hopeless but you fight against valiantly anyway.
   37. Danny Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:35 PM (#2412100)
From Slusser's blog:
There is no further information yet; GM Billy Beane is expected to talk to reporters later today. One possibility is that the A's believe that Bradley will clear waivers (very possible, considering his injury history); another is that they have a possible deal in place to trade Bradley; or perhaps, with some roster crunches looming, the team has just decided to part ways early with a player who has spent much time on the DL and who will be a free agent next season.

There are any number of possible reasons, really. It's tough to speculate. The one thing that has been the case during Bradley's A's tenure: He repeatedly has said how comfortable he feels in the clubhouse and how much he enjoys playing for the A's. If this is a situation in which he does move on, for whatever reason, he cannot be too happy about it. Oakland has been a nice spot for Bradley.
   38. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:37 PM (#2412102)
Shooty-that outfield sounds pretty good, I'm just not sure why Beane feels the need to do it now, and not when Piazza gets back.

Unless a Bradley deal has been in the works for a bit and just on hold for him to get healthy.
   39. Danny Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:38 PM (#2412103)
The A's were in a bit of a roster crunch in that Chavez hurt himself at the end of yesterday's game, and they needed to get an IF from Sacramento to Oakland. There were easier ways, though, so something else must be up. Some people are suggesting there's a trade waiting to be announced, and they had to get Melillo up for the weekend. With the Pennington/Petit promotions, maybe Melillo's up for good...
   40. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:41 PM (#2412107)
Yeah, if there's no trade I would think you'd tell Mellilo to pack his bags and get to New York, but hold off on the announcement until Friday in case Chavez wakes up feeling dandy.

Of course, I am just babbling away on the internet, so whose to say.
   41. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:41 PM (#2412108)
Unless a Bradley deal has been in the works for a bit and just on hold for him to get healthy.

I can't imagine who would want to trade for him, though. It would have to be a contender, as he's going to be a free agent, but what contender needs him? Chavez is beat up and the A's will need to call somebody up to play third. With Kotsay back and Cust playing well, I guess MB is the odd man out. This is all guesswork on my part, though. I was hoping MB would get healthy and lead a second half charge. With the Angels a little dinged up now, it's time to make a move. Weird. It's fun following a Beane run team, though. There jsut aren't any leaks in the organization so stuff like this comes out of nowhere.
   42. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:45 PM (#2412111)
Ooh, maybe they'll trade him and some sandwiches for Elijah Dukes. That would be fun.
   43. phredbird Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:47 PM (#2412116)
i'd love it if the cards won about 20 games in a row. heck, i'd love it if they won 5 ... but that playoff run last year saved my life. i was utterly miserable in all other aspects of my existence.
   44. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:48 PM (#2412117)
Ooh, maybe they'll trade him and some sandwiches for Elijah Dukes. That would be fun.

Geez, I hope not. I'd rather keep a slot open for Snelling if he ever gets healthy. Or for Kermit the Frog. Anybody, really.
   45. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:50 PM (#2412120)
but what contender needs him?


The Yankees.

Well, not "need", but right now they really, really, really could use another OF who can hit, with Damon hurt -- and then someone can slide into the DH spot when Damon comes back.
   46. AROM Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:50 PM (#2412121)
If Kermit makes a comeback it will be for the Giants. He's a little old for the A's.
   47. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:52 PM (#2412125)
Well, not "need", but right now they really, really, really could use another OF who can hit, with Damon hurt -- and then someone can slide into the DH spot when Damon comes back.

I can see that. They can get him cheap, too, but is Torre prepared to deal with him? This is going to be interesting. I wonder what Gary Sheffield thinks of all this? :)
   48. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: June 21, 2007 at 04:59 PM (#2412139)
I wonder what Bernie Williams would say if the Yankees signed Milton. Love to be a fly on the wall when he got the news.
   49. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:02 PM (#2412142)
If Kermit makes a comeback it will be for the Giants. He's a little old for the A's.

Last I saw Kermit, he was shooting heroin, giving Ralph the Dog a hummer and strumming his guitar AND strumming his guitar, if you kow what I mean. Youtube is effed up. I'd still take him on the A's before Dukes, though.
   50. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:17 PM (#2412157)
I dunno...I know he's a terrible man, but if we could stick him in Sacramento and wait to see if he's turned into a human being by the time Kotsay goes, I'd happily take Dukes. I doubt that's going to happen though.
   51. SoSH U at work Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:24 PM (#2412167)
I dunno...I know he's a terrible man, but if we could stick him in Sacramento and wait to see if he's turned into a human being by the time Kotsay goes, I'd happily take Dukes.


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're not the father of post-pubescent girls in the greater Sacramento area.
   52. BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:28 PM (#2412176)
True enough!
   53. Paul The Paranoid Android Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:29 PM (#2412177)
Beane: "Where did you learn this stuff?"
Bradley: "I learned it by watching you!"
Announcer: "GMs who throw chairs have players who throw chairs."
   54. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: June 21, 2007 at 05:39 PM (#2412196)
Why do the Cubs need Bradley? Pie is playing pretty well isn't he?
Page 1 of 1 pages

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
dirk
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogJeff Sullivan: The Worst Team Ever Projected?
(19 - 7:07pm, Feb 09)
Last: Howie Menckel

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread, February 2012
(370 - 7:07pm, Feb 09)
Last: robinred

NewsblogNY Daily News: Brian Cashman's accused stalker says Yankees GM misled feds on steroid probe
(44 - 7:07pm, Feb 09)
Last: Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest

NewsblogWhatever Happened to the Spitball?
(6 - 7:06pm, Feb 09)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread: February 2012
(107 - 7:05pm, Feb 09)
Last: DA Baracus: dramatic facepalming in a 3 piece suit

NewsblogGrantland/Bill James: An Open Letter to the Hall of Fame About Dwight Evans
(14 - 6:56pm, Feb 09)
Last: dze27

NewsblogSources: Cubs’ Starlin Castro Accused Of Sexual Assault
(5804 - 6:52pm, Feb 09)
Last: Lassus:

NewsblogOil Can Boyd says he used cocaine with Red Sox
(44 - 6:49pm, Feb 09)
Last: Gonfalon Bubble

NewsblogL.A. Times: 11 bidders remain in running to buy Dodgers
(2 - 6:39pm, Feb 09)
Last: RoyalsRetro (AG#1F)

NewsblogRICH HARDEN TO MISS 2012 DUE TO SHOULDER SURGERY
(15 - 6:36pm, Feb 09)
Last: BourbonSamurai is not Fausto Carmona

NewsblogThe Book Blog: MGL: Today on Clubhouse Confidential
(62 - 6:27pm, Feb 09)
Last: RayDiPerna

NewsblogESPN: Law: Top 100 Prospects (paywalled)
(6 - 6:20pm, Feb 09)
Last: HollywoodHartman

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player : 1969 Discussion
(74 - 5:52pm, Feb 09)
Last: bjhanke

NewsblogWHYGAV: Burnett to Pirates a Good Idea?
(15 - 5:47pm, Feb 09)
Last: Brian

NewsblogStrange Times in Baseball: 1891-1895
(10 - 5:47pm, Feb 09)
Last: toratoratora

Buy MLB playoff tickets, plus 2011 World Series, 2011 ALCS tickets and NLCS game tickets. We also have Texas Rangers playoff schedule, tickets to Red Sox games and Yankees game tickets. Plus, buy Phillies baseball tickets, Tigers playoff tickets and the biggies like ALDS baseball tickets and 2011 NLDS tickets.

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

AllianceTickets.com has cheap MLB Tickets. Get all your Colorado Rockies Tickets, Seattle Mariners Tickets, San Francisco Giants Tickets and all your favorite baseball tickets here. We also carry cheap Denver Broncos Tickets, Seattle Seahawks Tickets and Denver Nuggets Tickets.

Page rendered in 0.8929 seconds
42 querie(s) executed