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Jim Rice didn't lift weights, yet he broke down after age 33 (which was normal for a non-great player who did not lift weights):
Age - OPS+
33 - 136
34 - 101
35 - 102
36 - 70
I'm not sure who would be a fair comparison with Rice (a very good, but not great player) who extended his career because he trained with weights. But because he is somewhat comparable to Rice (and did really fall apart physically at the end of his career), how about Ellis Burks:
Age - OPS+
33 - 113
34 - 146
35 - 163
36 - 137
Mr. Vanity, Barry Bonds, (twice the talent of Rice), during the same ages, but prior to PEDs (as far as we know):
Age - OPS+
33 - 178
34 - 155
35 - 188
36 - 259
I think Rice's suggestion ("That type of intense strength training makes the players bodies too big and their muscles too tight as well as putting extra stress on joints, ligaments, and tendons.") is probably untrue.
One other note on Rice: it's funny that he is speaking out on what he did to not get hurt. I remember him (correctly, I looked it up) as a guy who most seasons missed 15-20 games with some sort of dings.
Well, who are we to argue with Jim Rice?
I think Rice's suggestion ("That type of intense strength training makes the players bodies too big and their muscles too tight as well as putting extra stress on joints, ligaments, and tendons.") is probably untrue.
I agree. While intense strength training does put a non-trivial stress on connective tissues, more injuries probably come from muscle weakness rather than strength. As a weaker muscle fatigues more easily, it places more stress on connective tissues. Over-training still probably accounts for a good portion of injuries, though.
One thing a lot of people seem to forget, connective tissue can, and does become stronger. Connective tissue becomes stronger for the same reason muscle becomes stronger. Because of stress. Stress isn't necessarily bad. Too much stress is bad.
And yes, depending on the training, such as doing too much fixed pattern work, such as with machines, a muscle can become "tight" and injury prone.
What Rice is saying is true. Baseball players have to be careful how they lift. Flexibility has to be maintained. Otherwise, all these nagging injuries occur from pulled and hyperextended muscles.
That, of course, is with all other things being equal; and I doubt that they are. Someone with a lot of fat in their upper half probably isn't taking good care of the lower half.
Has anyone demonstrated the injury rate as being higher today than in the 70's and 80's?
What's interesting is how the example of Honus Wagner was disregarded. I know that Wagner engaged in vigorous off-season conditioning; I'm pretty sure that Wagner lifted weights. He was certainly strong; I assume that when he played, he was usually the strongest man on the field. And how did he age? While he was a great player in his 20's, it took what he did in his 30's to lift him into the inner circle. He had his single greatest year at 34, was a solid MVP candidate at 38, and a useful major league player at 41.
But no, lifting weights is bad for you ...
Must have been a roider.
Rice could have taken care of himself better by getting some ####### glasses when he needed them.
Darren, did you mean to say, "These guys are not running down to the local Y and clean-jerking 600 pounds 10 times."
I assume you mean "these guys are not running down to to the local Y and CJing 600 pounds 10 times".
Firstly, no human being has ever clean and jerked over 600 pounds. Once. No human, not even once.
Secondly, clean and jerks are among the best exercises for any sport, excellent for strengthening quads, hamstrings, ass, lower back, shoulders, traps, rotator cuffs, in a manner that is very similar to how those muscles are used in sports. Furthermore, the athlete has to learn how to move quickly, and how to coordinate muscles and joints, while generating high amounts of force, in 3 dimensions. Most of the time, an athlete is much better off doing clean and jerks than any "targeted" exercise; especially a "targeted" exercise on a machine that works a specific muscle in isolation, often in one dimension.
<edit: cleaning up grammar>
Well, after a while though it wasn't very clean.
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