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Friday, September 25, 2009

Baldwinsville family says teacher told fourth-grader to turn Yankee shirt inside out

Wow...far cry from my 7th/8th grade teach who used to break out her bottle of Fleischmann’s and watch the after-school WS games with me.

Van Buren Elementary fourth-grader Nathan Johns thought his teacher was kidding when he instructed him to go to the bathroom and turn his Yankees T-shirt inside out.

The blue shirt read “New York No. 52” on the front and “Sabathia” for the New York Yankees’ pitcher CC Sabathia, on the back.

“ I thought to myself ‘Is he serious or is he kidding,’” said Nate, 9, a student in Peter Addabbo’s fourth-grade class. “But he had this look like he wasn’t kidding at all.”

Nate complied, and said he was later told to wear it that way until dismissal. At lunch, Nate said the fifth-graders made fun of him because he wearing his shirt inside out.

“It was such a horrible day.” Nate said. “I don’t ever want anything like to happen again.”

Nate said he felt he was treated unfairly.

“Just because my teacher doesn’t like the Yankees I should still have the right to wear a Yankees shirt,” Nate said Thursday after school. The teacher has Boston Red Sox paraphernalia all over the classroom on display, he said.

Repoz Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:35 PM | 163 comment(s)
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   1. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:44 PM (#3332463)
He should have his students taken away.
   2. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:45 PM (#3332464)
Is that even legal?
   3. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:45 PM (#3332465)
I wouldn't want my kids to go to school in the same zip code as that teacher.
   4. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:46 PM (#3332466)
I know why the teacher did that, but I can't tell you.
   5. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:47 PM (#3332472)
What does this have to do with the Frank Tanana jersey Joey was wearing earlier in the week?
   6. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:48 PM (#3332473)
It was a teaching moment.

(I hope I beat Bomaye to that one at least.)
   7. akrasian  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:50 PM (#3332476)
I'm wondering if there's more to this story - was the kid mouthing off, for instance, disrupting the class. If not, the teacher should get into trouble. I'm all in favor of the fanatic part of fandom, but a teacher should know how to control his personal tastes in front of his students. Or maybe I'm too demanding.
   8. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3332479)
I'm wondering if there's more to this story - was the kid mouthing off, for instance, disrupting the class. If not, the teacher should get into trouble. I'm all in favor of the fanatic part of fandom, but a teacher should know how to control his personal tastes in front of his students. Or maybe I'm too demanding.

Maybe Nate is one of the Van Buren Boys?
   9. Ryan Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:54 PM (#3332482)
I'm wondering if there's more to this story - was the kid mouthing off, for instance, disrupting the class.


What does his mouthing off have to do with his shirt? If his behavior was disruptive, you send him down to the principal - you don't #### with his clothes.
   10. Obama Bomaye  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:56 PM (#3332484)
Maybe Nathan's knowledge threatened to bite the teacher's face off.
   11. DKDC  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 01:56 PM (#3332485)
A classic American story, although just a few years ago I would've cast the persecuted crybaby as a Red Sox fan, and the smug bully as a Yankee fan.

Times sure have changed.

But all parties involved should have their children taken away.
   12. akrasian  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:02 PM (#3332494)
all parties involved should have their children taken away.

Precocious 9 year old.
   13. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:04 PM (#3332496)
But all parties involved should have their children taken away.


If the 9 year old has children, this story just got a lot more interesting.
   14. akrasian  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:05 PM (#3332497)
What does his mouthing off have to do with his shirt? If his behavior was disruptive, you send him down to the principal - you don't #### with his clothes.

I didn't say it would have been the right action - but if - for instance - was going on about the Yankees in first place, emphasizing his shirt whenever the teacher's back was turned to get laughs, etc. I could see the teacher making him turn the shirt inside out - not because he was a Yankee hater but because it was a lesser punishment than sending him to detention.
   15. Tripon  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:08 PM (#3332502)
Most schools have T-shirts, etc to hand out to children with non sanctioned clothing.
   16. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:11 PM (#3332507)
Why don't schools spend their energy doing a better ####### job of teaching kids rather than obsess about what they're wearing?
   17. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:12 PM (#3332509)
Why don't schools spend their energy doing a better ####### job of teaching kids rather than obsess about what they're wearing?

I think you're extrapolating a bit too much from this incident.
   18. DBRtheYankee  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:12 PM (#3332510)
Even more reason to hate the Syracuse area.
   19. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:14 PM (#3332515)
Even more reason to hate the Syracuse area.

Yeah. Sawx and Yank fans? Boo!
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad)  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:15 PM (#3332516)
I hope we've all learned a valuable lesson about rooting for the Yankees.
   21. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:19 PM (#3332527)
A classic American story, although just a few years ago I would've cast the persecuted crybaby as a Red Sox fan, and the smug bully as a Yankee fan.
Except there never was a time where a Yankees fan would have insisted that a Red Sox fan hide their Red Sox fandom. They would have just teased them incessantly for it.
   22. DBRtheYankee  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:21 PM (#3332532)
Yeah. Sawx and Yank fans? Boo!

Wasn't talking about the shirt itself, if he was wearing a Sox shirt it is still equally stupid. I lived in the area from 27 years before I got the hell out. The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do there is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.
   23. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:24 PM (#3332537)
Wasn't talking about the shirt itself, if he was wearing a Sox shirt it is still equally stupid. I lived in the area from 27 years before I got the hell out. The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do their is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.

I lived there for a year. I can't argue with your description at all. It. Never. Stops. #######. Snowing.
   24. Hubie Brooks (Not Really)  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:24 PM (#3332538)
The kid has to learn sometime.
   25. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!)  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:25 PM (#3332539)
the only thing to do their is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.
Sounds like Onondaga County just found its new motto
   26. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:27 PM (#3332542)
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much from this incident.

I was speaking in general, not about this instance, necessarily.
   27. Ryan Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:28 PM (#3332544)
It. Never. Stops. #######. Snowing.


It really doesn't. Those poor bastards get even more snow than we do.
   28. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:30 PM (#3332550)
The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do there is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.


I went to college in Troy, NY and this is a pretty apt description of it, except there is no huge mall there...
   29. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3332551)
I lived in the area from 27 years before I got the hell out. The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do there is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.

Where from? Upstate is not the place to be if you don't like outdoor activities or world class college basketball.
   30. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3332552)
I went to college in Troy, NY and this is a pretty apt description of it, except there is no huge mall there...

You can take the bus to Latham Circle. It's not a terrible exciting mall, but what mall is?
   31. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:39 PM (#3332564)
You can take the bus to Latham Circle. It's not a terrible exciting mall, but what mall is?


ehh, Latham Circle and Crossgates were both crappy malls.
   32. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:39 PM (#3332566)
Very few places in the country have as much waterfront property as abundant or as available as CNY. There is world class hunting and fishing, snowmobiling, etc.

In the very comfortable summers, the golf is plentiful, the weather is mild, and the prices are cheap.

There is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't New Orleans.
   33. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3332569)
A fellow RPI alum! Welcome to the club.

Also, as malls go, I have to say that Crossgates is one of the more impressive ones I've been in. And I'm no defender of the Capital District.
   34. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:42 PM (#3332572)
Latham Circle and Crossgates were both crappy malls.

Malls are crappy malls. Malls is malls.
   35. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:43 PM (#3332573)
I didn't know you went to RPI. I thought it was just me and Biff here.
   36. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:43 PM (#3332577)
There is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't New Orleans.

It is within your power to increase the murder rate to New Orleanian proportions.
   37. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3332580)
And I didn't know you went to RPI. I thought it was just me and Biff there. '03.
   38. Tom Nawrocki  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:46 PM (#3332581)
It's hard to believe that Troy was once home to major league baseball. What a depressing pile of squalor.
   39. DBRtheYankee  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:47 PM (#3332585)
Where from? Upstate is not the place to be if you don't like outdoor activities or world class college basketball.

Loved and still love watching the basketball team.


In the very comfortable summers, the golf is plentiful, the weather is mild, and the prices are cheap.

There is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't New Orleans


The golf is great, and you're right, cheap. But you can only golf regularly from May until September, outside of that it's a crapshoot on when you can go out. It may not be as dirty as New Orleans, but it's honestly not that far off. If it wasn't for the University area, I don't know where that city would be or look like.
   40. Dolf Lucky  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:48 PM (#3332588)
Good to see that the kid already has the language of entitlement down pat ("the right to wear a Yankees shirt").
   41. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:48 PM (#3332589)
Syracuse must be north of the Arctic Circle. I generally like cold weather, but Syracuse ... holy ####!
   42. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:49 PM (#3332593)
Syracuse must be north of the Arctic Circle. I generally like cold weather, but Syracuse ... holy ####!

If I'd stayed there and had a kid, I would have named it Lake Effect Snow Shooty.
   43. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Marching Through Georgia  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:51 PM (#3332595)
I don't know which is funnier, the teacher's reaction to the shirt, or trying to make it into some grand statement about students' rights.

I mean, oh, the humiliation of having to wear a T-shirt inside out!

To me this story belongs in a Readers' Digest "Life in These United States" feature, where we can all just laugh at where an insane rooterdom for a sports team can sometimes lead us. And then it deserves to be forgotten as a footnote to nothing.

Of course there is no more Readers' Digest, but you get the idea.
   44. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:52 PM (#3332601)
There's no more Reader's Digest?
   45. Tom Nawrocki  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:56 PM (#3332605)
Of course there's still a Reader's Digest. The company is bankrupt, because some idiot private equity firm bought it two years ago with $2 billion in borrowed money, but the magazine is still being published.
   46. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:58 PM (#3332613)
I was going to say, I didn't THINK all the elderly were dead yet. But I wasn't sure.
   47. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 02:58 PM (#3332614)
well, I probably shouldn't have used New Orleans there.

Let me say, there is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't a hotbed of nightlife and culture.
   48. Biff uses the power of mental thinking  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:04 PM (#3332625)
35. Randy Jones Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:43 PM (#3332573)
I didn't know you went to RPI. I thought it was just me and Biff here.


And I had somehow forgotten that you went to RPI, though clearly it came up at some point since you remembered me. Troy is such a ####### ########.
   49. villageidiom  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:13 PM (#3332633)
It's hard to believe that Troy was once home to major league baseball. What a depressing pile of squalor.
Nearly anything one can say about Troy, one can also say about Worcester.
Troy is such a ####### ########.
...including that, and I don't even know what you said.
   50. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3332635)
Does one not have the right to wear a Yankees shirt, in the absence of a dress code specifically banning such items?
   51. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3332639)
I know exactly what he said as it's the by far most common description of Troy you will get from an RPI graduate. Actually, I found a fair number of Troylets that would describe it that way as well.
   52. Nasty Nate  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:20 PM (#3332645)
The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do there is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.


delicious steamed hams, though.
   53. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:21 PM (#3332646)
Gotta hand it to Troy, though. It's got the Ruck.
   54. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:23 PM (#3332647)
If you're a photographer, Syracuse has probably the best public-access darkroom in America. So that's something, at least.
   55. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:24 PM (#3332649)
delicious steamed hams, though.

Not in Syracuse, no. It's more of an Albany expression.

And, God Bless the Ruck.
   56. Dolf Lucky  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:27 PM (#3332655)
Does one not have the right to wear a Yankees shirt, in the absence of a dress code specifically banning such items?


I suppose it's how you view the word. I would imagine that the right to wear a CC Sabathia t-shirt falls under that First Amendment in all technical and legal understandings. On the other hand, it feels rather...cheap to apply that language to a 9-year-old's wardrobe.
   57. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:28 PM (#3332656)
On the other hand, it feels rather...cheap to apply that language to a 9-year-old's wardrobe.

It does, until his jerk teacher starts pushing him around because of it.

Also, I imagine the kid wouldn't have described it as his right, but rather as his preference, until the teacher attempted to prevent him from expressing his harmless preference.
   58. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3332659)
Does one not have the right to wear a Yankees shirt, in the absence of a dress code specifically banning such items?

It was a public school, the teacher, a Red Sox fan, who displayed Red Sox items and pics in his classroom, asked him to turn the shirt inside out.

VB elementary is just a few yards from my parents house. There are some excellent farmstands nearby. One can get tremendous blueberries there.
   59. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:30 PM (#3332661)
Nearly anything one can say about Troy, one can also say about Worcester.


Worcester is around 45 miles from downtown Boston. Troy is around 45 miles from downtown ... Pittsfield.
   60. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:32 PM (#3332666)
Troy once had a freaking MLB ballpark on an island in the middle of the Hudson River. That's cooler than Worcester.
   61. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:36 PM (#3332672)
Worcester is around 45 miles from downtown Boston. Troy is around 45 miles from downtown ... Pittsfield

Advantage Troy! Seriously though, the Adirondacks are beautiful country, and troy is right at the foot.

If you sit inside your house and complain, everything is going to be shitty. Certain places have advantages over other places. You just have to look for them.
   62. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:39 PM (#3332676)
Advantage Troy! Seriously though, the Adirondacks are beautiful country, and troy is right at the foot.

If you sit inside your house and complain, everything is going to be shitty.


I spent 4 years in Troy, but I was in college. I was only there from September through April. When I set foot outside my house, I was 3 feet deep in snow and I never saw the sun. I had no choice but to stay inside my house.
   63. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:40 PM (#3332680)
Worcester is around 45 miles from downtown Boston. Troy is around 45 miles from downtown ... Pittsfield.

Troy is near Saratoga. And they don't have that God-awful accent.
   64. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:41 PM (#3332682)
Don't ski? don't snowmobile?
   65. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Marching Through Georgia  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:42 PM (#3332686)
Of course there's still a Reader's Digest. The company is bankrupt, because some idiot private equity firm bought it two years ago with $2 billion in borrowed money, but the magazine is still being published.

I stand corrected, and now I also understand how David and Ray still are managing to maintain their full form on that Dykstra thread.
   66. Randy Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:43 PM (#3332690)
College...I had no money. Also, I don't ski.

I do agree that upstate NY is beautiful in the summers. It was awesome for about the first 2 weeks of school and the last 3. It was the other 7+ months that we were there that the weather sucked.
   67. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3332693)
I don't ski either, so I moved.

But I tried it. I did like snowmobiling, but not as much as golfing an extra 2 months a year.
   68. Swoboda is freedom  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3332696)
If you're a photographer, Syracuse has probably the best public-access darkroom in America.

That's called the downtown. Eh-oh.


Upstate is not the place to be if you don't like world class college basketball.

And you can score coke from the basketball players too.
   69. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3332698)
Seriously though, the Adirondacks are beautiful country, and troy is right at the foot.


Did you mean the Berkshires? Because Troy is "right at the foot" of the 'Dacks only in the sense that it's closer to them than, say, Cuzco is.
   70. Biff uses the power of mental thinking  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:51 PM (#3332704)
Troy is probably the grayest city in America. It's just...gray.
   71. Lassus  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:52 PM (#3332705)
I'M MISSING THE UPSTATE THREAD!

Northern New York has some of the most beautiful rural landscape and geography and some of the most depressing post-industrial cites situated in some of the most depressing weather I've ever experienced. Everything that has been said about Syracuse is true, and then if you cubed all that crap and compressed it, you'd get Utica.

To be clear, again - gorgeous countryside, awful cities. And I've lived all over the country, both coasts, midwest, everywhere. The weather is uniquely bad. Not as death-like or extreme as hurricanes or floods or tornadoes but a steady and relentless pounding of bad weather for eight straight months.

Compared to Utica, Troy is a pleasant seaside New England hamlet.

However, it is my home. You can only be from one place, and as places go, I'm glad it was there instead of somewhere else. I feel like I lived through something.
   72. Ryan Jones  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3332706)
Lassus, where does Binghamton fit into that scale?
   73. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:54 PM (#3332707)
Compared to Utica, Troy is a pleasant seaside New England hamlet.


Amen to that, brother. As the old saying goes, Utica's not the end of the Earth, but you can see it from there.
   74. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 03:55 PM (#3332708)
Troy is probably the grayest city in America. It's just...gray.

I dunno. Have you seen the Empire State Plaza in Albany? If I didn't know it was in upstate New York, I'd think it was in East Germany.
   75. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:02 PM (#3332712)
Did you mean the Berkshires? Because Troy is "right at the foot" of the 'Dacks only in the sense that it's closer to them than, say, Cuzco is.

well, no, but what is it to, say, Lake George? and hour?
   76. Lassus  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:03 PM (#3332713)
Binghamton is simply more southern, better weather, situated prettily between the Susquehana and Chenango rivers, nearer to the city, and has SUNY Binghamton. I'm sure people who have lived there see the rural economy and aforementioned post-industrial troubles as crappy, but it's simply a lot nicer than anything farther upstate.
   77. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:04 PM (#3332715)
And you can score coke from the basketball players too.

Syracuse University and SUNY Binghamton are different places.
   78. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:05 PM (#3332716)
Syracuse University and SUNY Binghamton are different places.

Yeah, one of them is a good school. The other inflicted Bob Costas upon us.
   79. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:06 PM (#3332717)
Further south? Its 45 minutes away from Syracuse. Its not exactly a tropical locale.
   80. PH  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:09 PM (#3332718)
Troy's on the upswing. They're getting a Dinosaur BBQ!

I like Troy better than the other of the Tri-Cities, at least after 5 p.m. There's a bevy of terrific independent restaurants.

It's a shame they've wasted the waterfront for so many years, but they're working on it.
   81. Lassus  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:12 PM (#3332720)
Further south? Its 45 minutes away from Syracuse. Its not exactly a tropical locale.

Well, it's 75 miles, which, well, I guess could be done in 45 minutes, kinda. I'd suggest keeping an eye out for the black ice any time between October and April in the attempt.

Utica is in a vicious snow belt moving directly east from Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. The weather is indeed definitely worse there.
   82. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3332721)
Yeah, one of them is a good school. The other inflicted Bob Costas upon us.

Yeah, but Lou ####### Reed man.

Syracuse wins.
   83. Swoboda is freedom  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:16 PM (#3332725)
Yeah, but Lou ####### Reed man.

Syracuse wins.


Not so fast. Syracuse also produced Joe Biden, Bob Costas, Len Berman, Sean McDonough, and Mike Tirico.

Call it a wash.
   84. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:17 PM (#3332728)
I like Len Berman. Binghamton also gave us that thuggish Serbian basketball player who just about murdered the little guy and then ran home to cower in Belgrade.
   85. Lassus  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:20 PM (#3332730)
One of the most bizarre true origins of upstate New Yorkers is that Pat Riley is from Rome, which is like Utica only more spread out.
   86. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:24 PM (#3332731)
I am aware, it is a straight shot on 81. I do it all the time when I come home.

They keep 81 in good shape. black ice usually isn't a problem in the right lane.

And people are sleeping on something I mentioned above, there is tons of waterfront property for hundereds of thousands of dollars less than you can get it anywhere else in the country.

Cross Lake, for example, but there are thousands of rivers and lakes like Cross Lake in New York State
   87. PH  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:24 PM (#3332735)
Riley was raised in Schenectady, which has really taken a hit.
   88. Koot  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:26 PM (#3332738)
One of the most bizarre true origins of upstate New Yorkers is that Pat Riley is from Rome, which is like Utica only more spread out.


I don't know. There are some places in Utica that are pretty scary when the sun goes down. I grew up right outside of Rome and always felt (relatively) safe there.
   89. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:28 PM (#3332740)
Syracuse also has Aaron Sorkin, Jerry Stiller and Marv Albert.

One of the most bizarre true origins of upstate New Yorkers is that Pat Riley is from Rome, which is like Utica only more spread out.

Rome and Utica are funny cases. Both were hurt government actions.

In Rome, when they closed the base, it was over. There was no chance for it to survive. And as soon as the feds decided to shut down the mob, Utica died.
   90. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:32 PM (#3332744)
I really don't share the hatred of Troy that the other two RPI alums seem to. Hell, I moved from Boston to Albany voluntarily a few years ago.

I'm moving back to Boston for good in 3 weeks, so I'm not a Troy fan, per se, either, but it's tolerable.
   91. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:35 PM (#3332749)
well, no, but what is it to, say, Lake George? an hour?


Sounds about right, but I wouldn't even consider Lake George, which is just across the line into Adirondack State Park, to be at the foothills of the Adirondacks, much less nasty urban Troy. If we're talking distance from the High Peaks, Troy is a good 2.5 hours from Lake Placid.
   92. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:37 PM (#3332751)
Yeah, but Lake George is super happy fun time.
   93. Fly is Part of the Landed Gentry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:38 PM (#3332753)
Lake George is fantastic.
   94. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:40 PM (#3332756)
The village of Lake George is a blight and should be destroyed in a nasty, Old Testament-style conflagration. The lake itself is beautiful.
   95. PH  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:44 PM (#3332759)
I've lived in Albany for four years and have never been to Lake George. I associate it with the village, and if it's like other lake villages I've been to, it's no fun.

I go to Saratoga a ton.
   96. SJ and the pants of freedom.  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 04:45 PM (#3332760)
I am haunted by waters.
   97. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 05:01 PM (#3332768)
Ooh, a Norman Maclean reference!

Syracuse University and SUNY Binghamton are different places.

Yes, Syracuse University only admits honest, upstanding young men. Like Eric Devendorf and Derrick Coleman.

Utica... eh, it's not heaven, but it's not the worst place I've ever been. It's less than an hour from Cooperstown, so it's got that going for it.
   98. Biff uses the power of mental thinking  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 05:12 PM (#3332772)
One of the most bizarre true origins of upstate New Yorkers is that Pat Riley is from Rome, which is like Utica only more spread out.

One of my freshmen roommates was from Rome. I wonder if he knew that.
   99. Adam M  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3332773)
Rome? Syracuse? Utica? Troy? Was upstate New York settled by Classicists?
   100. God  Posted: September 25, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3332776)
I'm pretty sure Pat Riley's from Schenectady. But so is John Sayles, so Schenectady's not all bad.
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