Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, April 09, 2008

Baseball Mastermind: Hull: All-Time Greats Baseball Team - The Offense

Now, I have to consider which shortstop I’d want. The candidates, as I see it, are Honus Wagner, Alex Rodriguez and Cal Ripken Jr. Bill James has Arky Vaughan as his #2 greatest shortstop based on his incredible five-year peak seasons citing 1933-1937 or 1934-1938 but as neither an above-average defensive shortstop and having a relatively short career (WWII cut into the latter portion), I like the others. I think this is going to come down to “The Flying Dutchman” (Wagner) and A-Rod. Let’s consult some numbers:

Cal Ripken Jr.: WARP3: 172.4, EQA: .282, FRAA: +162.
Alex Rodriguez: WARP3: 138.2, EQA: .322, FRAA: -26.
Honus Wagner:   WARP3: 191,   EQA: .308, FRAA: +228.

 

We have a resounding winner: Honus Wagner. We may have to look back once A-Rod’s career is over, but he will have long been displaced from shortstop and will be riding on his offensive numbers. Rodriguez has a pretty good chance at passing Wagner but there is no guarantee at this point.

Not with Alberto Gonzalez possibly on his way…damn.

 

Repoz Posted: April 09, 2008 at 10:08 AM | 2 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
  Related News: GeneralHistoryHall of FameSabermetrics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 1 pages
   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 09, 2008 at 01:11 PM (#2736183)
Not with Alberto Gonzalez possibly on his way

He's accused of playing a lot of baseball games, but he can't recall them.
   2. Baseball Mastermind Posted: April 09, 2008 at 06:43 PM (#2736548)
So, I posted this with the FRAA info incorrect. Now, I have the adjusted for all-time info on my site. Honus Wagner still wins, but not by as great a margin.

Anyone know of any better fielding metrics that account for all-time?

Thanks for the link.
Page 1 of 1 pages

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Brian
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogNYT: Alderson Remakes Needy Mets From Bottom Line Up
(25 - 9:40pm, Feb 09)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogJeff Sullivan: The Worst Team Ever Projected?
(32 - 9:36pm, Feb 09)
Last: Crispix Attacks

NewsblogOrioles Scouts Banned from Korea
(2 - 9:31pm, Feb 09)
Last: Voros McCracken, Human Shield

NewsblogThe Book Blog: MGL: Today on Clubhouse Confidential
(75 - 9:28pm, Feb 09)
Last: DA Baracus: dramatic facepalming in a 3 piece suit

Newsblog'Duk: Tim Lincecum slims down with swim routine, loses appetite for McDonald’s
(276 - 9:26pm, Feb 09)
Last: phredbird

NewsblogStrange Times in Baseball: 1891-1895
(12 - 9:15pm, Feb 09)
Last: AndrewJ

NewsblogSources: Cubs’ Starlin Castro Accused Of Sexual Assault
(5811 - 9:13pm, Feb 09)
Last: Lassus:

NewsblogGrantland/Bill James: An Open Letter to the Hall of Fame About Dwight Evans
(18 - 9:03pm, Feb 09)
Last: Bruce Markusen

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player : 1969 Discussion
(75 - 9:02pm, Feb 09)
Last: fra paolo

NewsblogMLB: Hall of Fame worthy? Furthest thing from Schilling's mind
(10 - 8:49pm, Feb 09)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread, February 2012
(376 - 8:45pm, Feb 09)
Last: puck

NewsblogFangraphs: Cameron: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter
(81 - 8:42pm, Feb 09)
Last: Something Other

NewsblogL.A. Times: 11 bidders remain in running to buy Dodgers
(6 - 8:14pm, Feb 09)
Last: phredbird

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread: February 2012
(108 - 8:13pm, Feb 09)
Last: Richard

NewsblogWhatever Happened to the Spitball?
(9 - 7:45pm, Feb 09)
Last: Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes

Buy MLB playoff tickets, plus 2011 World Series, 2011 ALCS tickets and NLCS game tickets. We also have Texas Rangers playoff schedule, tickets to Red Sox games and Yankees game tickets. Plus, buy Phillies baseball tickets, Tigers playoff tickets and the biggies like ALDS baseball tickets and 2011 NLDS tickets.

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

AllianceTickets.com has cheap MLB Tickets. Get all your Colorado Rockies Tickets, Seattle Mariners Tickets, San Francisco Giants Tickets and all your favorite baseball tickets here. We also carry cheap Denver Broncos Tickets, Seattle Seahawks Tickets and Denver Nuggets Tickets.

Page rendered in 0.2339 seconds
40 querie(s) executed