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Oh, and Randolph's a goner.
IIRC, the media in Toronto liked him, but he took some hits for not being vocal enough on the field. That may have carried over into the post-game interviews, I don't know.
The Mets need to remember how to hit. This is getting embarrassing...
Not really. As dp notes, the media liked him, but he was never the go to guy for a big quote. He was polite enough to answer questions, and the press was largely polite enough to leave him alone. This desire to leave him alone unless he wanted to talk was also helped along when Richard Griffin ripped him in the Star for not running out a grounder, followed by Delgado going on the DL the next day with a knee injury which no one had asked him about.
ditto. The smoke and mirrors act has gone on long enough.
Here's a hint to Wagner on what he should say when he thinks he shouldn't be talking: "No comment."
Newsday: Baumbach - Starting today, Mets' Randolph in line of fire
Best catch ever?
Billy Wagner must be as giddy as Suzyn Waldman about getting paid to speak. Maybe someday I'll listen to Danny Aiello's nephew to hear him (A listener to TMKS on 1050! As rare as whales in the sahara!). Does he have a song to introduce him..like "Enter Sandman"?
For Mets fans, is this for real? Or is it just the hastily concocted conventional wisdom to explain their perceived underperformance?
The Mets' record if that were to happen? 20-22.
Anybody see where this is going?
May 29, 1990 - 2 years removed from a disappointing NLCS Game 7 loss, the axe falls on Davey Johnson.
Only difference being that Davey was an excellent manager and Willie sucks donkey dick.
One of your good ones, levski. You are kind of a Dave Kingman when it comes to snarky Mets comments, lots of swings, lots of misses but an occasional OMG blasts out of the park.
Again, is this legit? Or are they just picking on the latinos?
And, if it is legit, is Minaya guilty of signing every latino player out there, without respect to team chemistry?
But, at the end of the day, Willie needs to have a bit more control.
Regardless of their race, these guys are heralded as impact, game changing players. So far, they have not lived up to this. I don't think leadership is always the "rah-rah" stuff. Accountability, however, is always a part of leadership. Even the younger players and quiet guys can step up and take their fair share of the blame. If this happens in front of reporters or behind closed doors does not matter.
It appears to matter to reporters.
Of course. They are too dependent upon the players/coaches/front office for quotes to meet the word limit for their stories.
It seems that the Met hitters are not sufficiently prepared for each day's opposing pitcher. Either that or they just aren't as good as some of us figured.
They're damn close, but I like the Johnson catch better because he was moving to the side and away from home plate. Harris was just moving to the side. Hard to argue with either one, though.
The second thing.
Quite possibly I'm missing something, but when I think of Billy Martin, the word "understated" never, ever comes to mind.
Eric Simon with some interesting stuff about the Mets' luck at the plate.
I think he answered his own question quite emphatically here.
How is that odd? The guy likes to run his yap and say stupid ####, so of course they gather around to listen.
I fully support any players who realize talking to the media is a big waste of time.
Putting aside the chemistry issues for the moment, why are people still repeating this tired, lazy and false canard?
The farking idiot running his mouth in this article is not a latino. LoDuca is not latino. Omar passed on Ramon Hernandez, latino, to get Loduca. Schoeneweiss is not latino. Green, is not latino. Glavine is not latino. Maine is not latino. Minaya has acquired a bunch of non latino players, via trade or FA.
Well, I don't agree with that. Communal activities all function better when the group members aren't discordant and all are pulling in the same direction. And baseball teams are small organizations and organizations require the individuals in them to fill roles aside from the strict on-the-field performing.
I agree that winning a bunch of games helps morale. But winning also validates the roles the players are performing and reinforces in a player that he is functioning well within the group. It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem but I have no doubt that chemisty, or rather, having a core of key players who are willing to take leadership roles on off-the-field and organizational issues helps a team function better on the field, if for no other reason than to alleviate them from the players whoa re uncomfortable functioning within those roles.
Well, you're bleedin' moron too so there's that to consider.
You're missing the point.
Minaya has, obviously, targeted talented latino players to constitute a significant portion of the top-end talent on the team. He paid big bucks for Delgado, Pedro and Beltran.
But, did he not consider leadership qualities in these players when he signed them? I remember Dan Duquette doing something similar when he assembled a team that had a very high level of top talent: Nomar, Pedro, Manny. But none of those guys were real good at being team leaders and I thought the team underperformed. A scout in a pre-season annual noted, in the context of evaluating a teams chances for success (and I'm paraphrasing) "The Red Sox? I like their talent. But that's a strange group they have over there. I wonder if they'll really be able to pull it all together." It took guys like Schilling and Papi to take the burden off them. so I'm wondering if Minaya made the same mistake in being a bit too parochial in one area and neglecting another that may be just as important.
2. the media and stories is the biggest source of advertising for the product in the world and this media happens to be free, so while you might support the players who do not want to talk to the media, if you accept the notion that salaries have to be based on revenues, then a part of a player's job is to drive revenues. To take it to its logical conclusion, carlos Delgado puts money in his pocket because Billy Wagner talks to the media.
As opposed to (it's looking like) a few weeks from now?
OK, maybe the end of the season instead ...
Right. Like the '72-'75 A's and the '76-'81 Yankees. Happy families, all...
PS -- Amazing how many non-Met fans can smell the snark chum.
Both of those teams were all united- by the across-the-board group hatred of one man.
And you're missing the point as well. There's a difference between disfunctionality and creative tension.
What's your point? That "if it is legit, is Minaya guilty of signing every latino player out there, without respect to team chemistry?"
Because he's not.
He also paid big bucks for the farking idiot running his mouth in this article, who's not a Latino. He also paid relatively big bucks for Schoeneweiss, $10.8M /3 for a LOOGY. He also specifically targeted LoDuca, not a Latino.
Also, he's stuck to the non Latino manager, when a Latino manager, namely Manny Acta would have been a much better choice.
Which non Latino player should Omar have targeted instead of Beltran? Which non Latino player should Omar have targeted instead of Pedro? Which Latino players have Minaya chosen over non Latinos?
If you want to say that Minaya did not consider chemistry when building the roster, fine.
If you OTOH, want to say that Minaya "is Minaya guilty of signing every latino player out there, without respect to team chemistry", please show some evidence that Minaya is targeting Latinos over non Latinos and that he is choosing Latinos over non Latinos.
That's a video of it for anyone interested.
OK. So he's not a latino. But he's contributing to, indeed seemingly exacerbating, the lack of chemistry problems.
You're off your bird. Those squads had actual fistfights in the clubhouse. I'd say that swings more to dysfunction than "creative" tension.
I've been on teams before where teammates got in fistfights. It never undermined morale. but you had to figure out what caused the fight and figure out a way to keep it from tearing the team apart. It's unusual to have a group of 25 young men living that closely together where there isn't any fighting.
But that's not the issue. The issue is: how does the team deal with the fistfights? or any other internal conflict. Does it just let the animosity fester unresolved until morale falls apart or do certain players step up and act as mediators and put everything in the rear view mirror?
That's just one example. I think you're missing the boat on this. I don't think you have a very good grasp of what I'm talking about.
Wait -- you're saying that the acquisition of 2nd star-quality pitcher and a 30-40 HR hitter pulled the Red Sox "all together" and fixed their CHEMISTRY ISSUES? Gee, and I thought the Duquette teams underperformed because they were top-heavy, gave regular PT to stiffs like Jose Offerman & Mike Lansing & Rey Sanchez & Dante Bichette, had no pitching depth (Paxton Crawford & Pete Schourek notwithstanding), and were continually undercut by the collective managerial greatness of Jimy Williams & Grady Little. Thanks for setting me straight!
Anyway, we should get back to the crux of this thread, which is:
1) Billy Wagner is an obnoxious dimwit.
2) the MSM loves Billy Wagner because he's an obnoxious dimwit.
3) Willie Randolph should be canned ASAP.
He cannot be all bad, he is wearing a Patriots hat in the video
1) Billy Wagner is an obnoxious dimwit and a bandwagon-humping frontrunner.
Err, I'm not sure what you're saying. You're saying that Wagner is helping, or making the situation worse?
Excellent point. I think the Mets should acquire Lance Berkman and Brandon Webb to help the clubhouse chemistry.
Willie strikes me as a guy who routinely rips or gives no credit to his younger players(proven) and who walks on egg shells with his vets.
Reason #282 why the "plus" stats aren't the be-all and end-all in making a case: Beltran has only 3 HRs and a .426 slugging. Sure, he's walking a lot this year (27 so far), and that has value. But guess who's batted behind CB for half the season?
Bingo and 10 bonus points for getting it right. In this case, no one is telling the offending players to be rah-rah types, but heck, how about hanging around and answering the tough questions and meeting with the media, which ultimately is somebody's job.
Or try anything new other than the Delgado/Church/Slappy flip-flop. He comes from the George Bush school of, "well there is no easy/quick fix".
On this, we agree.
And a 370 OBP. The NL has a park adjusted slugging of 416 this year. He has the 5th best ZR of any CF in baseball this year, and he's in the top 10 in EQA. This is below par for a typical Beltran year, of course, and I fully expect him to get better, but I don't see how he is stinking up the joint.
Delgado, on the other hand, is certainly stinking up the joint.
Yes, but he was my first pick for my fantasy team. The media, the fans & the players are all very aware of this, let me assure you.
Well, now. Let's see what I've got.
First, I agree to a large degree with Klapisch's take:
If that is right -- or even right to a significant portion of the Mets' clubhouse -- then some of them are bound to react by trying to fill the void they perceive in Randolph's leadership/motivation. And who better (from his POV) to do that than Proven Veteran Leader™ . . . Billy Wagner???!!!
So one of two things is happening with Wagner. Either he's legitimately just popping off because, well, that's what Billy Wagner does. Or this is a calculated motivational move to piss off his teammates and (he hopes) in their anger get them to play better. Even a divided clubhouse is better than a lethargic one, could be what he's thinking. Now, if that's it, it shows the guy thinks with all the subtlety of his pitching style. I mean, to bring up an issue (who is talking to the press, and who isn't) that came up last year (when Lo Duca raised it) in a way that singled out the Hispanic players, and thus risk dividing the clubhouse on ethnic grounds (even though Wagner said he wasn't doing that and didn't mean only them) is about as stupid as I can imagine.
And remember this. It was what . . . two weeks ago or so that Randolph called Wagner into his office and told him that if he had something to say about a teammate to keep it within the team -- this after Wagner popped off about Ollie Perez hanging the bullpen out to dry. To once again slam his teammates to the media so soon after Randolph told him to cut it out? Wagner just basically told Randolph to go screw himself. He pretty much forces Randolph to do something or be totally humiliated with the rest of the team. If Randolph doesn't see that, his days are numbered in that clubhouse.
Willie's job is to figure out a way to put out a lineup that will score sufficient runs and to cobble together a competent bullpen. Getting rid of Sosa goes a long way towards the second part.
(Willie does need to find a way to shut Wagner up.)
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