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It's worse that 5 people listed Kendrick at all. He wasn't one of the six or seven best rookies in the league.
By ERA+ he was better than Lincecum, but Lincecum was better. Regardless of that, I can see voting for Kendrick #3, but no way was he better than Tulo or Braun.
Maybe I'm underrating him. I assumed he had just got the votes because of the ten wins and had no idea he had done that well. Still, I'd rank Braun, Tulo, Pence, Loney, Moylan, Owings and Lincecum ahead of him.
Up till now, it's been the GOY award.
This is something of a pet peeve of mine. This is confusing the predictor with the criterion. Lincecum wasn't better last year. Is he likely to be better next year? Of course, because his peripherals suggest he is a better pitcher. At the end of the day, performance should be judged based on keeping runs off the board, not by how good your peripherals are.
As wonderful as Braun's offensive numbers were (and a roto player knows!) - Tulo was really the whole package.
Well, this opens up what could be a long and interesting debate about what makes one pitcher better than another. I think Lincecum WAS better than Kendrick last year. Pitchers aren't completely in control of how many runs score on them. Defense matters and relief pitching matters and, well, depending on how much you believe in DIPS, luck matters. Lincecum struck out more guys, gave up fewer home runs in more innings, and gave up fewer hits per inning. The only thing Kendrick beats him on is walk rate. I think Lincecum was better. Now, I do agree that it's debatable whether or not Lincecum was better last year, but if we're going to have this debate, I'm on the Lincecum performed better than Kendrick side.
You are one step away from saying we should just judge pitcher performance based on wins/losses since that's the name of the game anyway.
Does Rod Carew count?
Hardly "jobbed". 1972 USA basketball got "jobbed". Braun had a higher slugging percentage as a rookie than any player that has ever played the game.
Congratulations Hebrew Hammer!
"He converted."
"He converted."
Man, Rod Carew might have achieved total joke immunity, no?
If this is a joke, it's not funny. If it's not, seek help.
Yes and No:
Ryan "the Hebrew Hammer" Braun has a Jewish Father and a non-Jewish Mother...According to traditional Jewish law (in regards to descent, this is held by the Orthodox and Conservative movements in the USA) this makes him not-Jewish...According to the policy of the Reform ("liberal" in Europe) movement, he is considered Jewish by patralinneal descent (ignore my spelling)...The above is in accordance with the old religious maxim "Mother's Baby...father's maybe"...So, I will not play religio-social-identity politics with this one and will instead just congratulate Mr. Braun on his outstanding rookie season. If there is one thing I know, however, it is that Rod Carew is not Jewish...He is married to a Jewish woman, has agreed to help raise his children Jewish, but he himself is not Jewish nor has he ever converted to the Jewish faith.
Quick quiz question...Who is the youngest Jewish (by Jewish law..although I don't think he acknowledged himself) Manager in Major League history? Need a hint? He is not Sandy Koufax and he is not Hank Greenberg but he is the long lost 3rd Jew in the Hall of Fame (sort of like the "Pete Best" of Jewish Hall of Famers
It was an Archie Bunker line to Sammy Davis Jr.
Aw man. Lucky bastard. I never win anything.
Henny Youngman's wife?
To be fair, the great majority of my posts are in Met game chatters. Second, people do it all the time. It's funny because I might be the exact opposite of Russian.
But not a single vote for Josh Hamilton??? Especially with Chris (OPS+ 89) Young getting 10 votes?
Kenyan?
oh wow, here I was thinking he was a full-blood Tribe member. Oh well, nothing to be ashamed of. He's not Dustin Hoffman, but Paul Newman's still good.
These are two outstanding players. Either one would have been a good choice. Congratulations to the fans of the Rockies and Brewers, who will be enjoying their play for several years to come.
Ukrainian?
;-)
Texan?
And yet, not the highest SLP of any ROY ever.
Braun had a .634 in 492 PA.
Wally Berger had .614 in 625 PA
Albert Pujols had .610 in 676 PA
Ted Williams had .609 in 677 PA
He is one of the top rookie hitters ever. He is far from the best rookie hitters ever.
edited for clarity and to change lowest to highest.
(looks at globe)
You're from Easter Island?
5 more years to be exact!
try again. I made some corrections.
I think because he meant to say "And yet, not the highest SLP of any ROY ever. It appears MLB.com was incorrect in stating Braun's SLG relative to other rookies.
EDIT:
McCovey didn't have enough PA to qualify when he was ROY; hence, the comment about Braun was correct at MLB.com.
Qualify for what? If it is the batting title, neither did Braun.
Corpas spent exactly 45 non-September days on the big league roster last year and was under in the innings limit. I have never been able to find out if you're still a rookie if you hit exactly 45, and I've looked in quite a few places (with about a 50-50 split in wording). BPro for one thinks he's a rookie, and he did have a higher VORP than Kendrick, Lincecum, and Moylan (slightly).
Good point. Missed that.
Source?
The highest SLP by a rookie who qualified for the batting title under the rules of his time is .621 by George Watkins in 424 PA (and in 113 games. The rules at the time required 100 games to qualify) in 1930
The highest SLP by a rookie who qualified for the batting title under today's rules (3.1 PA for every team game), is .614 in 625 PA by Wally Berger in 1930.
The highest SLP by a rookie who didn't qualify for the batting title, but who, with the required 0'fers added to his batting line to make him eligible and have him still come out on top, is Ryan Braun with a .634 in 492 PA. Adding 10 AB's to his line to qualify him drops his SLP to .620, which is .006 higher than Berger.
Under definition 4, MLB.com is correct.
Again, one of the best rookie sluggers ever. Far from THE best. And far from the definitive "best rookie slugging season ever".
Edit.
Actually, what I wrote may not be entirely accurate. I based my post on a BBREF PI search of first year players with PA => 200, sorted by SLP. There may be someone who had a cup of coffee and was still eligible in year 2, 3, or whatever, who would fit into here somewhere.
In addition, BPro is the only major source that referred to Corpas as a rookie. Here in Colorado, neither of the papers ever considered him a rookie. It simply wasn't an issue.
Given the way relief pitchers are used these days, the eligibilty rules really ought to include a factor for number of games pitched. Corpas came in under the innings limit last year, but he did pitch in 35 games, which is enough for most people to take that as his rookie year.
Thanks.
Mac had .618 in 641 PA.
Mac had .618 in 641 PA.
Russlan: Even though Braun didn't qualify for the batting title, he'd still have the highest slugging percentage of any Rookie because even if you add 10 hitless AB (enough to qualify for the batting title), his slugging percentage would be .620.
Yes. See my edit in #58. My initial search was for first year players only. I believe the true rookie slugging champ is Rudy York, who had a qualifying (at the time) .651 in 1937.
BTW, this post is a result of searching the BBREF PI for players in their first three years. If there is a rookie qualified player who had 3 cups 'o' Joe and a SLP in the range of the others, I give.
Hm... Ruslan (or Russlan) is a Russian name, so I am guessing... Azerbaijan?
Anyhow, I think Braun's definitely deserving. Tulowitzki was pumped up hugely by Buck and McCarver during the post season, not to mention the fact that he was a .719 OPS hitter away from Coors. Braun was definitely more deserving.
It's not confusing the predictor with the criteria, it's disagreeing about what the criteria is. I don't think Lincecum should have rated better than Kendrick because I think he'll be a better pitcher in the future - I think he should have rated better because he pitched better than him this year.
The reason he projects better by the way is because he pitched better this year. If I thought Kendrick had pitched better this year, I'd probably (stuff aside) project Kendrick to pitch better in the future.
I've heard the opposite, actually.
Sure, Packer gear is always amongst the highest-selling stuff nationally, but the Brewers?
Willie Mays?
Lou Boudreau
Ty Cobb?
Zack "Unleavened" Wheat?
I'm not surprised. These are the same intense, over the top fans that follow the Packers and Badgers. They are a hard core bunch, it is not like the Brewers are pulling in latte swilling sissy fans like Seattle or disaffected Arizona fans.
Yes. 10 years from now people will be going, "Ryan who?"
Perhaps. But see post 66. No one's forgotten Ted Williams, Chuck Klein, Joe Dimaggio, Albert Pujols, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Ralph Kiner, or Eddie Mathews. Nor are they likely to forget Albert Pujols, or Alex Rodriguez. Many still remember Rudy York, and people will probably remember Ryan Howard. Those players, along with Braun, hold the top 13 SLP (Braun is # 11) seasons with over 200 PA among players in their first three MLB seasons.
Azerbaijan isn't an Arab country.
You are correct that Russlan (or Ruslan) is a predominantly Russian name but don't think that's the origin of my name. The sultans of the Seljuk Dynasty often had the name of Arslan, which is very similar to Russlan when written in Arabic. That's where I think it comes from.
Natzoh much him, I think.
I see. Brain fart on my part, should've read the Arab part more carefully (I'm Iranian, so I know how that is). I've seen the name Arslan, never made the Russlan connection though. Interesting :-D
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