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"Richie Sexson? More like Richie Suckson. Har! Am I right? And Kenji Johjima? Seriously, #### that guy."
This is the best quote I've ever seen from a [former] GM. Seriously. Give me more!
Agreed. He seems like a good guy. I don't think anyone's revelling in this because they don't like him. He's not Jim Bowden or Kevin Malone.
Edit: Not that I think the Mariners would trade him anyway, just curious whether they could in theory.
But sure, trading low on Bedard now would be a great idea for the new GM. Don't clear out the old dreck clogging the roster, don't clear out the serious mistakes like Silva (not that you get anything for him), clear out the one guy with talent they've added in the last 4 years, a guy to whom they don't have a long-term financial commitment so trading him won't even save them any substantial money. Cuz lord knows this is all Bedard's fault.
The Pirates hit the jackpot with this problem in 2007-2008. They did not trade Bay or Nady when their values were low and now their values are way up. Now, that doesn't mean they'll trade them at the right point, but moving those guys last year would have been a mistake and just a typical frustration move, similar to a frustration foul in basketball or penalty in hockey. Gotta do things rationally, even if you're not happy with the current state of affairs.
Yeah, and keeping or trading Ichiro! isn't going to change that. If he's happy and the organization doesn't mind paying him, keep the fans as happy as they can be. The Mariners will still get the #1 pick in the draft, and maybe, just maybe, they'll not draft a relief pitcher.
And now Nady is injured.
The only good time to trade Nady was between mid-May and mid-June of 2008. No time before or, seemingly, after. That's why "flipping for prospects" is not exactly a done deal no matter who your veteran is.
I wish that I knew what Bedard was thinking about November 1, 2009, when he can become an unrestricted free agent, IIRC. I think he cares more about being left alone than pitching for a contender. I had been thinking that he'd probably sign with his hometown Blue Jays (home province, anyway), but if he thinks that would put him even more under the media microscope, maybe he'll consider staying in Seattle. The media is pretty easy on Mariners players, and visiting Canadian fans might give him some support when he pitches.
Maybe on paper, the best idea is to trade Ichiro. But Ichiro is adored in Seattle, and he's one of those players whose value can't be measured in a strictly BA/OBP/SLG sense, so this isn't just about getting a ROI. And for a club that's as PR conscious as the M's are, management is well aware that trading Ichiro would be the ultimate slap in the face to the fans, especially as demoralized as they are now.
Plus what Ghost said. As long as Mr. Yamauchi remains the majority owner, Ichiro isn't going anywhere (and apparently neither is Johjima, but that's a different story entirely).
If I was a Seattle fan I'd be pissed that they wanted to keep an aging slap hitter instead of trying to improve the team. I wouldn't be too enthusiastic saying "Hey kids, let's go to the ballpark and watch Ichiro get two singles while the team gets pounded by the Angels!"
And that's what separates you from the majority of Seattle Mariners fans.
??? In 2005, the season before they signed Johjima, Miguel Olivo produced a 20 OPS+ in 157 PA. Yorvit Torrealba, a 71 OPS+ in 119 PA. The 42 year old Pat Borders, a 34 OPS+ in 175 PA. Their catchers collectively hit: 216 .253 .313, 566 OPS.
In 2006, with Johjima, Mariners catchers hit: 269 .310 .420, .730 OPS.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10884057/rss
Moving Ichiro would be smart, but Mariners likely won't ship him
July 2, 2008
By Scott Miller
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