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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Thursday, September 18, 2008Bruce Markusen’s Cooperstown Confidential: Card Corner--Roy White“There isn’t an ocean between them...just a stream.”
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Posted: September 18, 2008 at 07:52 AM | 8 comment(s)
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Lineups overrun by players like Bobby Cox, Ron Woods, Jerry Kenney, and Celerino Sanchez tended to suppress the run-scoring totals at the Stadium.
I don't think that's a fair criticism of park factors. Those guys played on the road, too.
And then there was the matter of White’s arm, which might have been worse than that of Bernie Williams. White tended to throw “parachutes"--long, looping throws with a high arc--giving opposition baserunners an opportunity to take extra bases on balls hit to left field.
If he'd been a LF in Fenway, everyone would've said how he had a cannon.
I don't think that it was a criticism of park factors - I think it was intended as a criticism of the casual observer at the time, and their understanding of park effects. Since the Yankees couldn't hit there (The Yankees!), it must have been an absolute offensive hellhole, rather than things just looking bad because the Yankees couldn't hit anywhere.
It's sort of like how most people still "know" that Comerica is a huge pitchers park, despite the actual numbers showing it to be roughly neutral.
I didn't get that out of what was written. But while maybe the Peanut Gallery was right for the wrong reasons, they were still right. Yankee stadium was in fact quite pitcherly for most of White's career.
Where's Gene Michael?
Oh, I'm not prepared to argue that they were wrong about it being a hitters park, but rather that the inclusion of a whole bunch of really bad hitters (regardless of park) may have caused them to overestimate the magnitude of the park effects.
Where's Gene Michael?
hidden player trick
Fine, but so what? That has nothing to do with whether or not Yankee Stadium actually was a pitchers' park, and of course it actually was very distinctly a pitchers' park throughout White's peak, most especially in comparison with Fenway Park, which was the most hitter-friendly in its long history through Rice's peak. The reality of the issue should concern us today, not whether people at the time properly or improperly perceived it.
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