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Friday, May 09, 2008

Buffalo News: Accountant makes Elias the source

A look at the most important man in Bill Madden’s life (well, outside of James “Prexy” Petrillo, that is)...Seymour Siwoff and his Elias Sports Bureau.

“You can’t talk to the computer in the English language,” said Siwoff, the company president. “From the very first day I realized, ‘Oh my God. You’ve got to learn the nomenclature of how to talk to this machine.’ That’s the key. We talk to it. And in many [search] cases you have to stop and think, ‘What’s a better way to approach this?’ ”

Siwoff and a staff of more than 30 have historical perspective at their fingertips and it regularly ends up on the lips of SportsCenter’s anchors, or tucked into newspaper notes columns. Quite often the facts they unearth aren’t nearly as impressive as their ability to unearth them, and with virtual immediacy. Usually Elias is providing the answer before the question’s been asked.

...“The difference between us and Google and Yahoo is, we put the stuff in the machine,” Siwoff said. “They brought us files already there. We spent a lifetime doing this. . . . To this very day we’re researching mistakes of the past in the sports we do, incredible as it is. In fairness to our previous generation, they didn’t have any computers. There was a casual approach to keeping statistics.”

“We like the sports themselves,” Siwoff said. “We just don’t like numbers, for example. We like the games. That’s more important than anything. There’s a romance to sports.”

Repoz Posted: May 09, 2008 at 06:52 AM | 15 comment(s)
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   1. andrewberg Posted: May 09, 2008 at 07:56 AM (#2774407)
Siwoff is a 400 year old vampire. It is the only explanation.
   2. kevin Posted: May 09, 2008 at 08:35 AM (#2774418)
“You can’t talk to the computer in the English language,” said Siwoff, the company president. “From the very first day I realized, ‘Oh my God. You’ve got to learn the nomenclature of how to talk to this machine.’


Siwoff comes off as an incredible boob with this quote.
   3. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 09, 2008 at 09:36 AM (#2774467)
I don't know them personally, but for me Elias > James.
   4. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 09, 2008 at 09:37 AM (#2774470)
By the way, here's the link that works for me: http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/columns/bobdicesare/story/342450.html
   5. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 09, 2008 at 09:40 AM (#2774473)
And to triple post, as a guy who dug up numbers for sales guy from a series of databases until recently, it can be quite difficult to translate what appears to be a simple request into a suitable query.
   6. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 09, 2008 at 10:06 AM (#2774500)
And to triple post, as a guy who dug up numbers for sales guy from a series of databases until recently, it can be quite difficult to translate what appears to be a simple request into a suitable query.

Amen. It's amazing how complicated a seemingly simple question about data can become. That's why statistical programmers are so well compensated.
   7. villageidiom Posted: May 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM (#2774509)
That's why statistical programmers are so well compensated.

Learn SAS. __________. Profit!
   8. kevin Posted: May 09, 2008 at 10:33 AM (#2774537)
I don't know them personally, but for me Elias > James.


Never read the 80's Elias annuals, huh Toolsy?
   9. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 09, 2008 at 10:38 AM (#2774546)
I own em! I just meant I've never met Seymour or anything.
   10. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 09, 2008 at 10:46 AM (#2774559)
Learn SAS. __________. Profit!

Worked for me! Except the profit part. Most of the jobs where you make a lot of money, it seems like you have to work 70-80 hours a week. Who needs that?
   11. JPWF13 Posted: May 09, 2008 at 11:08 AM (#2774582)
We spent a lifetime doing this. . . . To this very day we’re researching mistakes of the past in the sports we do, incredible as it is. In fairness to our previous generation, they didn’t have any computers. There was a casual approach to keeping statistics.”

Allegedly Seymour once opined that there should be a "statute of limitations" for fixing statistical errors...
   12. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 09, 2008 at 11:13 AM (#2774585)
If repetition is any help to them, my computers are quite fluent in any number of swears.
   13. villageidiom Posted: May 09, 2008 at 11:24 AM (#2774592)
Worked for me! Except the profit part.

That's because you didn't do __________.
   14. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 09, 2008 at 12:09 PM (#2774639)
For me, it was lie, cheat and steal, and then get promoted into a completely different role.

Of course, one could debate when I've actually made "Profit!".

And the thing with sales guys, and it took me a long time to realize this, most of the time you don't need to be exact to the penny or whatever. Just close. And ideally, giving them the exact results they're hoping for (ie, client A is ordering more widgits, or client B has increased their spend). I've also been a big fan of giving them data that prevents them for asking for more data down the road, but that's only for advanced layabouts such as myself.
   15. kevin Posted: May 09, 2008 at 12:15 PM (#2774646)
I think the best strategy is "Hang in there until you gain enough seniority they have to promote you. Then get your direct reports to do all the work.".
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