I will say this: every time I heard the fans start chanting f*** the mets, it was in response to the out of town fans chanting f*** the phillies. I don't know if that makes it better or worse, but at least they didn't lay down and take it like John Kerry.

Also, citizens bank probably needs to have aramark teach their employees how to turn someone away from buying beer. There are people in the lines by the 6th or 7th inning who can barely stand and would get kicked out of any bar, but they not only get to stay at the game, they get to keep buying beer.

That is the worst video I have ever seen. So..... shaky.....

I will say this: every time I heard the fans start chanting f*** the mets, it was in response to the out of town fans chanting f*** the phillies. I don't know if that makes it better or worse, but at least they didn't lay down and take it like John Kerry.

I'm sorry, but his little bit of justification is pathetic. You get into a fight over a sporting event, you're basically a worthless human being. End of story.

They're not fighting over a sporting event, they're just fighting. At that point those guys were so bombed that they probably didn't even know the score or who was pitching. They were fighting for the sake of being in a fight; for some reason this town's culture rewards that image.

If I knew how to do that thing where I crossed out "this town's" in your post and wrote "fixed", I would.

That video is a big waste of time.

Bigger waste of time are the comments at the bottom. A bunch of people calling Philly dirty and Phillies fans animals, and some guy from Philly trying to justify punching other people at a game.

Wow, this actually made me into a Braves fan. Didn't expect that to happen.

To follow up on my previous comment:

In the South and Texas, people are fans of their college football teams every bit as much as Yankee fans are fans of the Yankees, Red Sox fans, Philly fans, etc, if not more so (especially for current students.) I have never heard a story of physical violence committed on someone for wearing an opposing team's jersey/hat/whatever to a college football game. Sure, you're going to get razzed if you're wearing Arkansas State stuff to the Texas game tomorrow, likely by me. But it's all in good sport. Nobody's throwing punches, even at a Texas/Texas A&M;game.

Perhaps this is because the visiting team is given an entire section at every CFB game, and so it's expected that people will be there in the opposing colors.

and i didn't see one drunk FEMALE fan screaming swear words and punching guys out

i've never seen a female get tossed from a ballgame for swearing or fighting

not even in philly

i've never seen a female get tossed from a ballgame for swearing or fighting
not even in philly

Er, yeah, I have. In high school, at Safeco(!), at Shea. I've seen it often.

i guess it must be the good manners thing here in texas

so

did the females beat up any males?

In the South and Texas, people are fans of their college football teams every bit as much as Yankee fans are fans of the Yankees, Red Sox fans, Philly fans, etc, if not more so (especially for current students.) I have never heard a story of physical violence committed on someone for wearing an opposing team's jersey/hat/whatever to a college football game. Sure, you're going to get razzed if you're wearing Arkansas State stuff to the Texas game tomorrow, likely by me. But it's all in good sport. Nobody's throwing punches, even at a Texas/Texas A&M;game.

Yep, and except for isolated incidents the same thing is true with baseball. Which is why I don't understand why violence is so common at football matches. If you don't know anything about soccer, I think most people would be astounded to learn there's a seperate Visitor's Supporters section at the stadium and that often a barricade, empty section between fans and/or visibile police presence is also necessary to keep the fans apart.

The violent actions of a few hooligan supporters of the English national team are well-known, but it's not restricted to just international matches. Premiership and divisional matches sometimes result in pre or post-game violence, particularly in local derbies, and it's not unheard of for teens to be attacked for wearing the "wrong" football team's gear in a certain part of town. And this doesn't just occur in England, either, but that's perhaps the best example.

But why is it so different in Europe than over here? It there a more complex and satisfactory explanation than simply the growing violence among English teens and the working-class culture that many fans originate from? Does geographic proximity play a role? "There's a culture of violence around soccer" answers have never seemed explanatory enough, but that's the answer I've got the other times I've asked this question.

Yep, and except for isolated incidents the same thing is true with baseball.

Except this is at least the third time this year this has happened. When was the last time you can remember it happening (and obviously being reported on) at a CFB game? Maybe something happened during the Miami/FIU game, but that's a completely different situation.

But why is it so different in Europe than over here? It there a more complex and satisfactory explanation than simply the growing violence among English teens and the working-class culture that many fans originate from? Does geographic proximity play a role? "There's a culture of violence around soccer" answers have never seemed explanatory enough, but that's the answer I've got the other times I've asked this question.

It's a good question, of course, and I think it's simply the case that no one has yet figured it out.

i guess it must be the good manners thing here in texas

In all of the baseball, college football, professional hockey and basketball games I've been to in Texas, I have seen a grand total of one person thrown out of a game.

Its actually worse in Argentina than anywhere else right now. Players have openly talked about going on strike because of it. Many have asked to be transfered to other leagues in Europe to get out of the violence in South America.

In all of the baseball, college football, professional hockey and basketball games I've been to in Texas, I have seen a grand total of one person thrown out of a game.

What about high school football? I know they get pretty jacked up for that in Texas more than most places.

What about high school football? I know they get pretty jacked up for that in Texas more than most places.

Including high school football, as well. The only time I've ever seen someone thrown out of a game in Texas was a guy at an Astros/Rangers game at TBiA. No idea why he got thrown out.

The only time I've ever seen someone thrown out of a game in Texas was a guy at an Astros/Rangers game at TBiA. No idea why he got thrown out.

Said Texas belonged to the Mexicans?

Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-)

i saw some guys get tossed during the allstar game in houston in 2004

and that is the only time i ever seen anyone get tossed from either the Box or the Dome for fighting. i have seen ushers have to warn a few males (cub fans) to watch language but that is it. most of the time other fans ask, uh, rude (ahem) people to please, uh, behave politely.

of course this is in the cheap seats and i got no idea how bad it is behind the dugouts. guys in the bullpen are not near the fans so you don't have to hear men screaming at them about their dead child or something. i have sat in the OF only twice (it is more expensive) but i didn't hear screaming or swearing.

and the other thing is i have not seen in the box - fans who are dead drunk like you see in the clips from the yankees/redsox/mets/phils/cubs they show.

Dollar Wednesday nights in Oakland were always a hoot. Because the tickets were a dollar and the hot dogs were a dollar, there was more money to spend on booze. Once, a few guys mixed it up and got into a scuffle - minor thing. A security dude comes by and throws out one of the rough-housers. An inning later, the same guy shows up again, having purchased another dollar ticket to re-enter the game!

Said Texas belonged to the Mexicans?

He was Hispanic...

It there a more complex and satisfactory explanation than simply the growing violence among English teens and the working-class culture that many fans originate from?

I think the US is still pretty far ahead in those departments.

i have seen ushers have to warn a few males (cub fans) to watch language but that is it

There is a reason that Cubs fans swear like sailors.

It there a more complex and satisfactory explanation than simply the growing violence among English teens and the working-class culture that many fans originate from?

A few quick points:
i) football violence in England is at its lowest level for about 30 years.
ii) I don't know about "growing violence among English teens", and while I do know there has been a unpleasant murders in the last few months, I also know that sample size issues don't just apply to baseball.
iii) In the last year for which accurate statistics are available the murder rate in the UK is not significantly different than it has been for the last 15 years. According to the British Crime Survey (government sponsored but independently made) gun and knife crime (both frequently gang related) are up, but overall violent crime has dropped a lot over the last 12 years. Notably, the same survey that public perceptions of crime have risen dramatically.
iv) You wouldn't know any of these things if you just read the newspapers. Hysteria sells, folks.

did the females beat up any males?

If they paid for it in advance.

Best Regards

John

There's a better video of the fight at the same place. That said, during Game Three of last year's Mets/Dodgers playoff series -- which the Mets one, in LA -- I was one of four Mets fans in my section of the upper deck. Harassed all game long, but in the late innings, what had been playful harassment -- I gave a guy my thunderstick because, as a Mets fan, I didn't deserve it, &c;. -- turned ugly. The last time I went to the bathroom, there was a line of guys facing the wall with plastic cuffs on, which was about when I decided to take off my Mets cap for a while.