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Wednesday, October 15, 2008

CBS: Doyel: This guy looks like Nomar but is it really him?

On Rigel 7 (and crappier parts of Argo City) Doyel is pronounced Doh-el.

He’s not going to Cooperstown.

Pretty soon, he won’t be in the big leagues any more. He has been put on the disabled list six times since 2006, and his batting average has plummeted from .303 to .283 to .264 this season.

Those are facts. What are the causes? Several possibilities come to mind, most nefariously the impact of steroids—a possibility I discount, by the way.

The signs are there, however. Garciaparra put up his best offensive numbers during the steroid bonanza that was the late 1990s and early 2000s. That’s one strike. His numbers have fallen off the face of the earth since steroid testing has been put into place. That’s two strikes. And he has been brittle ever since, suffering a string of muscle and joint injuries that often befall athletes who have unnaturally bulked their body. Three strikes ... but the argument is out. And here’s why I think so:

Garciaparra was never a power hitter. He hit 35 home runs once, 30 once, and had years of 28, 27 and 24. If he was juicing, he was the most ineffective juicer in the game. He was playing at Fenway, for crying out loud, where a juiced right-handed hitter with Garciaparra’s ability could have—would have—made annual runs at 40 or 50 homers.

Repoz Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:41 AM | 26 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. flournoy Posted: October 15, 2008 at 02:01 AM (#2982490)
This guy is both stupid and disingenuous. Oh, he discounts the possibility of steroids? Yeah, sure looks like he does.
   2. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 02:06 AM (#2982503)
They moved Doyel from the college basketball beat?
   3. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 02:19 AM (#2982532)
If he was juicing, he was the most ineffective juicer in the game.

This dude obviously doesn't remember Alex Sanchez.
   4. Frank McCourt's Gold Stars are in bankruptcy court Posted: October 15, 2008 at 02:29 AM (#2982541)
   5. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: October 15, 2008 at 03:00 AM (#2982566)
What are the causes? Several possibilities come to mind, most nefariously the impact of getting married—a possibility I discount, by the way.
   6. ValueArb Posted: October 15, 2008 at 04:12 AM (#2982611)
I yearn for the good old days before steroids ruined the game, when men were men, and no one ever had joint or muscle injuries.
   7. Ozzie's gay friend Posted: October 15, 2008 at 04:14 AM (#2982613)
What are the causes?

Wrist injury and an incredibly poor treatment/rehab.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:18 AM (#2982640)
If he was juicing, he was the most ineffective juicer in the game.

Some people seem to have a logical disconnect where they think that batting average has only to do with a Gwynn-like ability to intelligently flick one's wrists ... that it is not somehow a product of hitting the ball really hard.
   9. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:37 AM (#2982655)
i'd rather have Mia Hamm stick me in the butt than Andy Pettitte.
   10. OCD SS Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM (#2982657)
Of course it's really Nomar. Just check the number of first pitch swinging pop ups.
   11. Russ Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:42 AM (#2982660)
Wrist injury and an incredibly poor treatment/rehab.


Sounds like the Jason Kendall Plan to go from Hall of Famer to Hall of FAILER (amiright).
   12. The Marksist Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM (#2982681)
No. Guys. It's true. Steroids instantly turn you into a home-run-hitting machine. Seriously. I did them for a while and hit like 37 homers for the Astros. You can look it up.
   13. Craig Calcaterra Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2982691)
Look, there's a reason why Larry Bigbie and Adam Piatt have asterisks next to all of their records.
   14. Quiet Flows the Don Taussig Avenger (Edmundo) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM (#2982695)
No offense to our J-school posters, (really, honestly) but do college guidance counselors have process charts for struggling students?
"Son, so you flunked Logic. You'll have to drop that Philosophy Major. Let's see here ..."
(finger tracing down the chart)
"Hmm, Latin, Legal Precepts, Logic. Okay. So the best chance of getting a degree for someone who failed Logic is ... Sportswriting. You got an A- in Composition, that's good. How's that sound, kid? Sportswriting. Apparently you don't need to worry about logic whatsoever."
   15. Double-Spin Mechanic Posted: October 15, 2008 at 02:50 PM (#2982817)
He was playing at Fenway, for crying out loud, where a juiced right-handed hitter with Garciaparra’s ability could have—would have—made annual runs at 40 or 50 homers.


Roger Clemens hit none. ####### zero.

People have some 'splainin' to do.
   16. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 15, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2982844)
Nomar is probably the first player to be done in by the unique combination of age and injuries.
   17. phredbird Posted: October 15, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2982900)
didn't he and mike piazza have the same kind of gruesome groin tear? how did piazza do after that?
seems nomar hasn't been the same since. he walks and runs funny to my admittedly amateur eye.
   18. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 15, 2008 at 04:18 PM (#2982909)
he walks and runs funny to my admittedly amateur eye.

That could also be related to what is referenced in post 9.
   19. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 04:38 PM (#2982915)
No offense to our J-school posters, (really, honestly) but do college guidance counselors have process charts for struggling students?


Dude, it's Gregg Doyel. He's basically a troll and even admits it. I don't really jump on sportwriters that often, but he deserves any vitriol that comes his way.
   20. Booey Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2983153)
i'd rather have Mia Hamm stick me in the butt than Andy Pettitte.



If she's capable of this, then she ain't who she says she is, and thus no more desirable than Pettitte...
   21. Srul Itza Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM (#2983270)
What, you've never heard of a strap-on?
   22. Darren Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:17 AM (#2983284)
Listen, I hate this sort of speculation, especially about a player that I like as much as I like Nomar. But even if you think that steroids only increase power, Nomar went from someone who hit 9 HR in 600+ ABs at age 21-22, then hit 20 in 72 AAA/MLB games at age 22 and never looked back.

Of course the problem with any speculation of this type is that you immediately suspsect any player who works hard and improves himself beyond expectations. And you also end up seeing incredibly unfair choices to only suspect players that one doesn't like or, conversely, to lay off players that one does like.
   23. Srul Itza Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:25 AM (#2983290)
I am sure everybody remembers this SI Cover.

I could never decide if it screamed "steroids" or just "gay".
   24. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:47 AM (#2983309)

No. Guys. It's true. Steroids instantly turn you into a home-run-hitting machine. Seriously. I did them for a while and hit like 37 homers for the Astros. You can look it up.


You're "The Toy Cannon" Jimmy Wynn?
   25. Darren Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM (#2983311)
What about that cover looks "gay"?
   26. Justin T contains indigenous nudity Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:55 AM (#2983317)
You can see his boobies.
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