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Thursday, November 20, 2008

CBS: Miller: Hall spot for Moose? Era, as much as ERA, may help sway

Wow! I think I booked Lil’ Scotty Miller and the Still Bristles at KNUP’S ("We Took A Bite Out Of The Big Apple And Spit It In Jersey") one over-guzzled night.

Certainly, Mussina’s case isn’t airtight. No Cy Youngs, and he finished as high as second only once (1999). And I still bristle at the lack of complete games produced by today’s starters. Mussina finished with only 57 (in 536 career starts), as compared to Feller’s 279 (484 career starts), Marichal’s 244 (457 career starts) and Bunning’s 151 (519 career starts).

But it’s a different era—and not simply because of the modern bullpen. No, when it comes time to consider Mussina’s Hall of Fame candidacy five years from now, two key facets must be considered:

1. He pitched in the Steroid Era, facing who-knows-how-many batters who were juiced. And while I’m skeptical of much of what I’ve seen over the past 10 years, I believe Mussina was clean. There was never any noticeable change in his body.

Repoz Posted: November 20, 2008 at 10:45 PM | 6 comment(s)
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   1. Cold Prosimian Posted: November 21, 2008 at 08:35 AM (#3013684)
Good column, but someone should introduce Miller to ERA+.
   2. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: November 21, 2008 at 09:22 AM (#3013689)
And while I’m skeptical of much of what I’ve seen over the past 10 years, I believe Mussina was clean. There was never any noticeable change in his body.

I've come to think of that as "The Marion Jones Effect".
   3. Sid Hārtman Gautama Posted: November 21, 2008 at 09:39 AM (#3013698)
Not that I'm suggesting that Moose took PEDs, but I wonder why the media yahoos haven't posited as such. This is, after all, a guy who - as pointed out by Pinto - K'd 5.6 per nine through age 26 and then 7.6 afterwards. Isn't that the kind of garbage indicator they look for when deciding who did steroids?
   4. Randy Jones Posted: November 21, 2008 at 11:28 AM (#3013748)
No, it's the kind of garbage indicator they look for after they have already decided that someone used PEDs and are looking for something to support their baseless position.
   5. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#3013778)
I can't stand writers comparing modern CG to Bob Feller. Its a different environment.
   6. aleskel Posted: November 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM (#3013787)
Not that I'm suggesting that Moose took PEDs, but I wonder why the media yahoos haven't posited as such.

1) People still don't realize that it's possible pitchers took steroids. So far, the only big-name pitchers to have their name attached to steroids is Clemens and (maybe) Kevin Brown (and Pettitte too, I guess, but I won't go into the whole "is HgH a steroid?" debate)

2) Mussina's a normal-sized guy who never threw exceptionally hard. His success came from excellent control and ability to throw a wide array of pitches. He was also very durable for a long period of time, while 'roiders tend to break down very suddenly. There just wasn't anything there, at first blush, to suggest steroid use.
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