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Monday, June 15, 2009

Cincinnati Enquirer: Phillips lighter in the wallet

Brandon Phillips was back in the lineup Sunday after ignoring a 3-0 take sign Saturday. Reds manager Dusty Baker indicated but did not say outright that he fined Phillips.

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Phillips swung away at 3-0 pitch in Saturday night’s 7-4 loss to the and flied out to right. The play came after Kansas City pitcher Kyle Davies had walked two in the inning.

Afterward Phillips said he didn’t even look for the sign: “I tried to make something happen. For future reference, I will not do it again. I apologized to everybody: My bad for a 3-0 swing. I tried to make something happen.”

Baker was unimpressed with the explanation.

“I heard it,” Baker said. “I talked to him about it. He admitted he said it. Some people do wrong and try to justify and make it look right. It’s still wrong.”

Players ignoring a take sign isn’t just unusual, it’s unprecedented.

“It’s the first time it happened to me since I’ve been managing, and it’s the last time it will happen. End of subject,” Baker said. “The more you talk the worse it sounds. It’s over.”

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   1. wjones Posted: June 15, 2009 at 04:53 PM (#3220042)
Brandon Phillips doesn't believe in that "get on base crap".
   2. zonk Posted: June 15, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3220063)
I find it very hard to believe that this is the first time Dusty has ever had a player ignoring a take sign... unless he's just talking specifically about a player saying aloud that he wasn't even looking for a sign, which still sounds not right.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 15, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3220077)
I have seen a lot of truly awful hitting Royals teams, but the Reds this weekend displayed the most pathetic performance of offensive I have ever seen in a three game series. There wasn't a pitch they wouldn't swing at. And Dusty Baker was just awful managing. Even Denny Matthews, who is usually very diplomatic, was pretty critical of Baker's decisions. The Royals have looked awful for a month, but I never got the sense at all this weekend that they would lose to the Reds.

What gives? The Reds look like they have a pretty talented roster.
   4. Dunn Deal Posted: June 15, 2009 at 05:38 PM (#3220112)
The Reds can't score runs; they've now gone 10 straight games without putting up more than 4 runs. Joey Votto is AWOL with some sort of mental problem, and Jay Bruce is hitting like Adam Dunn minus 30 points of BA (and 80 fewer walks).

The pitching, which is probably the Reds' best in my lifetime (I'm 29) is being wasted by the utterly pathetic offense. It's sickening to watch this team try to score runs, because they can't. I refuse to blame Dusty; what's he supposed to do?
   5. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: June 15, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3220115)
I find it very hard to believe that this is the first time Dusty has ever had a player ignoring a take sign
It was the first time Dusty has ever given a player the take sign.
   6. zonk Posted: June 15, 2009 at 06:38 PM (#3220151)
The pitching, which is probably the Reds' best in my lifetime (I'm 29) is being wasted by the utterly pathetic offense. It's sickening to watch this team try to score runs, because they can't. I refuse to blame Dusty; what's he supposed to do?


Falling out of love with Willy "0 for June" Taveras might be a start.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: June 15, 2009 at 08:41 PM (#3220292)
I refuse to blame Dusty

Try it, you'll like it. :-)

Seriously, it's pretty much impossible for us to know how much of this roster is Jocketty's fault and how much is Baker's ... but it looks like a stereotypical Baker roster. The acquisition of Taveras, putting him and Gonzalez at the top of the order at times, Hairston getting lots of time (and overvalued during the offseason), Gomes (who might be able to hit a little) buried on the bench until recently, Jay Bruce isn't improving, Cueto's being pushed pretty hard and Volquez is walking everyone in the ballpark.

In Baker's 4 years with the Cubs, they were 14th, 14th, 16th and 16th in walks on offense. On the pitching side, they were 16th, 9th, 16th and 16th in walks allowed. It is pretty clear the man doesn't understand the value of a walk.

The 2007 Reds were 6th in walks taken and 2nd in walks allowed. Last year the Reds were 8th in walks on both sides of the ball. This year they are 12th and 11th. They're a Dusty Baker team.

Baker has his positives. He's not a bad manager.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: June 15, 2009 at 08:51 PM (#3220298)
And for pathetic hitting:

the Cubs for June are 225/297/350 with 35 runs in 11 games. Fortunately, we've only given up 32 in those 11 games so we're staying afloat.

But, yes, the Reds have been worse. For June: 194/273/291 ... but have still managed 40 runs in 13 games. They've given up 50.
   9. Greg Pope Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:04 PM (#3220305)
Baker has his positives. He's not a bad manager.

Huh. I would say "Baker has his positives, but he's a bad manager." I guess it depends on your definition. He's not Tony Muser or anything, but he's got to be in the lower quarter of current managers.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:18 PM (#3220322)
"I refuse to blame Dusty; what's he supposed to do?"

Go back in time and not help run Adam Dunn out of town?
   11. Dunn Deal Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:21 PM (#3220326)
Go back in time and not help run Adam Dunn out of town?

Nah, that's clearly Marty Brenneman's fault.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:26 PM (#3220329)
"Nah, that's clearly Marty Brenneman's fault."

Go back in time and kill Marty Brenneman?
   13. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:29 PM (#3220333)
Vlad:

Post 11 is more accurage. Dusty LIKED Adam. And Dunn seemed to be ok with Dusty as manager.

But Marty and Co. hated Dunn with the passion of a thousand burning suns.
   14. zonk Posted: June 15, 2009 at 09:38 PM (#3220344)
I have a hard time thinking of any player that DIDN'T like playing for Dusty.

Even the guys people like me thought got screwed out of playing time thanks to Dusty's proclivities for lesser options never really said a negative word against him.

Of course, I'm a card-carrying member of "glad he's gone" gang in Chicago - but after Don Baylor hosted a bus driving school on the backs of his players, he was the right manager for the job.

His greatest strength always becomes his greatest weakness... I think we've always wrongly claimed Baker has a predilection for veterans - it's not, I think its loyalty to "his guys". It becomes a problem when "his guys" are players like Neifi Perez - and Wily Taveras.

There's also a line where the "us against the world" closeness he can knit in a clubhouse becomes a whiny shop of children worrying about everyone EXCEPT the team they're playing on a given day, as during the final months of his Cubs regime.
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