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Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Cowlishaw: Rookie voter wants Raines in Baseball Hall of Fame’s forecast

I voted for five players, although the only one I know is going to make it for sure is first-year eligible Rickey Henderson. The greatest leadoff hitter of all time is an automatic choice to get more than the necessary 75 percent of the votes. The results will be announced Monday.

The funny thing is that I voted for three others who will either make it or come very close – outfielders Andre Dawson and Jim Rice and pitcher Bert Blyleven – and one other who won’t come close but deserves it more than anyone other than Henderson.

In fact, if Henderson had spent his career batting second or third, then we might recognize Tim Raines as the greatest leadoff hitter of all time.

...But let’s get to Tim Raines. The man had 2,605 career hits, and 3,000 hits always has been Hall worthy. Why didn’t Raines get there? Oh, perhaps because he led the National League in walks seven straight years from 1982 through 1988. He also led the NL in singles, doubles and triples those seven seasons.

Jeez...Raines must be dripping more Black Ink than Koko the Clown!

Thanks to Rich L.

Repoz Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:29 AM | 16 comment(s)
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   1. Rich Lederer Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:16 AM (#3045164)
Why stop in 1988? Raines was third in the NL in BB in 1989, which tied his highest ranking ever. Although Raines doesn't need any additional help with his Hall of Fame case, the way things are going, we'll take it.
   2. AJMacaroni Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:22 AM (#3045166)
The only one of those categories he led was doubles in 1984. Cowlishaw's a rookie and is already playing like a veteran!
   3. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:41 AM (#3045172)
The only one of those categories he led was doubles in 1984. Cowlishaw's a rookie and is already playing like a veteran!


I suspect he meant to say that Raines had the most walks, singles, doubles and triples during that time span. I have no idea if his count is accurate though.
   4. AJMacaroni Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:53 AM (#3045174)
Maybe the hits. The walks are clearly not lumped with them.

I just looked at '82. He didn't lead in hits minus homers (even adding walks he doesn't lead).
   5. Shock Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:06 AM (#3045178)
Tim Raines, walks, rank in NL:

1982: 11th
1983: 3rd
1984: 4th
1985: 9th
1986: 7th
1987: 5th
1988: 27th

1982-1988: 4th

So yeah, I have no clue what the F he's talking about.

He doesn't even lead the NL in total walks between 1982-1988 among players who are on the ballot..

He didn't even lead the Expos every year from 82-88. Bah I hate it when I can't figure out what a guy means.

BTW, that link repoz posted is the scariest thing I've seen since this
   6. AJMacaroni Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:21 AM (#3045180)
Bah I hate it when I can't figure out what a guy means.

It's better not to think about stupidity. It'll just hurt your head.
   7. Eugene Freedman Posted: January 07, 2009 at 09:01 AM (#3045216)
Maybe he means the most walks plus singles, plus, doubles, plus triples from 1982-1988- essentially the most non-HR total bases plus walks.
   8. Kyle S at work Posted: January 07, 2009 at 09:42 AM (#3045230)
Who knows? I'd like to criticize Cowlishaw for Rice and Dawson, but doing so misses the forest for the trees IMHO. He voted for Raines and Blyleven - I'll put that in the win column.

Also, does anyone else wonder who Amy's Husband (the longtime sponsor of Raines' bbref page) is? I know that story is kinda cutesy, but I like it. Maybe I'm just a sap.
   9. JPWF13 Posted: January 07, 2009 at 11:09 AM (#3045279)
1982-88
Total singles, doubles, triples and walks:
Wade Boggs 1978
Tim Raines 1711
Keith Hernandez 1606
Rickey Henderson 1590
Dwight Evans 1579
Robin Yount 1577
Eddie Murray 1571
Dale Murphy 1545
Cal Ripken 1543
Steve Sax 1513

So yes, he did lead the NL!!!!!
   10. Ryan Jones Posted: January 07, 2009 at 11:12 AM (#3045283)
So yes, he did lead the NL!!!!!


Okay. Now we need to figure out why the guy just didn't say "times on base", and save everyone the confusion, as there's no way that Hernandez hit enough homers to make up the difference between him and Raines.
   11. Le Comble du Bob Dernier Cri Posted: January 07, 2009 at 11:31 AM (#3045314)
Raines actually led the NL in total times on base for the decade 1981-1990, which is a Gracean enough accomplishment that we should just go with that.
   12. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: January 07, 2009 at 11:41 AM (#3045325)
I intrepreted "He also led the NL in singles, doubles and triples those seven seasons" as did JPFW13, if you don't include walks - did he still lead the NL?
Dernier, nice note on 11 - I might use that if ever pressed to make a pro-Raines case.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 11:59 AM (#3045353)
I don't care why people vote for Raines, as long as they vote for him. They can say they did it to honor him for negotiating our secret treaty with the moon men, for all it matters to me.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:47 PM (#3045595)
They can say they did it to honor him for negotiating our secret treaty with the moon men

Hey, that was me, dammit!
   15. Repoz Posted: January 10, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3048609)
Bump-bump for JH (in DC).
   16. JH (in DC) Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3048634)
Thanks. I did a search, because I figured this must have been caught, but didn't see it.

I didn't realize Cowlishaw had worked with Kurkjian, that's a point in his favor.
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