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Great stuff, not so great results. Every team that doesn't have him thinks that they can turn him around.
AJ, fired.
My bet would be on a deal for Brett Myers and Lance Berkman.
the reasoning for each trade would be this:
from LA to TB was a challenge trade. he'd been struggling for a while in their minors, and it was time for a change of scenery.
from TB to DET was TB needing to clear a spot in the rotation for david price and jeff niemann. jackson (and andy sonnanstine) were the odd men out.
from DET to AZ was detroit selling high. scherzer was a younger, better, though less durable edwin jackson.
from AZ to CWS is a salary dump. AZ won't compete in the next 3 years, and dan hudson is a really good get for them, assuming they can rebuild successfully in that time.
I see, looking back, that Loaiza's big year predates Ozzie by one season.
Another Don Cooper project. He did it with Matt Thornton, I'm sure he thinks he can do it with Jackson.
That list is much long than just Thorton.
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So there's that, but there is also that fact that Hudson is cost controlled and is pretty damn good already. Trading him for Jackson seems like a wash at best, unless they somehow turn Jackson into a consistent 120 era+ guy I don't see the point in taking on his salary for Hudson.
I still see the big target as Dunn, with this a bauble dangled in front of the Nats.
Guess who Jackson's agent is...
I sure hope so. Because I can't say that I view Jackson as a huge upgrade over Hudson, and the Sox still have no DH.
The Boras and Heyman connection strikes again.
This deal makes no sense, unless they think Peavy won't be back next season:
1. Jackson is not appreciably better (or at all better) than Hudson.
2. As Jimmy P points out, the White Sox still need a DH.
3. The White Sox already have a lot of money tied up in next year's rotation, and Jackson gets a hefty raise in 2011 (to $8.35M). (Peavy makes $16M next season, Buehrle makes $14M, Floyd $5, and Danks is eligible for arbitration.)
I would agree with that, but it seems like teams are really placing a high value on pitchers who have had success at the major league level (Saunders, Happ). I think Hudson has a chance to be pretty good (and better than either of those guys), but he isn't there quite yet.
guess they plan to do nutting and just collect yankee welfare
So you want all bad teams to go the Royals route? Sign lots of mid 30 year olds to expensive deals just to spend money?
Lets hope this is one of the good deadlines, and not the Ken Griffey type deadlines.
That was a playoff year though.
Randy Johnson in 2004? Although that was after the season and at the beginning of the 2005 calendar year.
Through no fault of Griffey's.
There's still plenty of time for Richard and Gonzalez to come back to haunt them but they haven't yet been seriously bitten in the butt by any prospects they've traded away.
I don't dislike this trade from what they gave away. I think Hudson's average. I don't like what they got back, at all. Jackson's crap, and worse, he's overpaid crap.
Seems... pointless.
He was the player who made the perfect throw to the plate to cut down Michael Cuddyer in Game 163. A modest, but very, very important contribution.
Seems... pointless.
Different front office, different goals.
Fangraphs has Jackson with a FIP and xFIP of 4.27 so far this year vs. his actual ERA of 5.16. For his career, he's pretty much matched his FIP (career ERA 4.74, career FIP 4.65, career xFIP 4.74). According to Fangraphs, his ERA for the rest of the season is projected at 3.97 (4.16 FIP).
Hudson's FIP so far this year is basically the same (4.26) and his rest-of-year projection is a smidge worse (4.61 ERA, 4.06 FIP).
And while Hudson's 3-1/2 years younger than Jackson, Jackson's still young enough (26) that his best days could well be ahead of him.
Setting aside money, this one seems close enough that I'm willing to defer to Coooper/Williams/Guillen. As plenty of others have noted, these guys tend to know what they're doing in terms of pitchers.
so they have 11 of the top 95
who is going to play on the ML team?
Does that take into account moving to the AL now?
How soon we forget Griffey throwing out Cuddyer at home.
And trading Freddy Garcia when he had a huge contract and an injury that would destroy his next two seasons, and then signing him again for almost no money when he was healthy.
Over his career, his peripherals are all over the place. In 2008, and then 2009, he progressively cut his walk rate, and became more of flyball pitcher (and also got more popups)
This year, his walk rate is up again, and he's become a groundballer.
Sure, but Gavin Floyd turned from crap into the good pitcher he is today, with the WS. His improvement as a pitcher with the WS has been pretty amazing: K rate up, walk rate down AND more groundballing.
Looking at Fangraphs' commentary on the trade, I think no. Arizona's a pretty good hitting park, though (park factor of 109 or 110 according to BB-Ref), so I'm not sure how much worse he'll look after the adjustment.
Bad pitching acquisitions -
David Wells
Todd Ritchie
Billy Koch
Jon Adkins
Nick Masset
Rick White
Scott Schoeneweis
Mike MacDougal
David Aardsma
Andy Sisco
Scott Linebrink
Good pitching acquisitions -
Tom Gordon
Bartolo Colon (1st time)
Bobby Jenks
Esteban Loiaza
Freddy Garcia (both times)
Jose Contreras
Matt Thornton
Javier Vazquez
John Danks
Gavin Floyd
Mixed bags -
Damaso Marte (pitched well at times, but the Sox gave up Matt Guerrier for him)
Neal Cotts
Shingo Takatsu
Orlando Hernandez
Dustin Hermanson
Octavio Dotel
I'm going to say the jury's still out on JJ Putz and Tony Pena.
Overall, more hits than misses, and it's worth noting that most of Williams' worst misses came early in his tenure.
Who cares? They won't commit the resources to rebuild a roster, so may as well stink for a few years with AAAA guys as well as spend $$$ to be the Royals of the NL West. It's not as if there is much of a fan base to alienate.
Really? 1.85 ERA and 44/7 k/bb ratio in 39 IP so far on a one year deal and the jury's still out? I guess he could be awful down the stretch but that's looking like a clear win to me.
Jury can't be out on Putz for much longer. He's a major success, especially in the same offseason that resulted in John Grabow's and Brandon Lyon's contracts.
Hermanson: 2.04
Politte: 2.00
Neal Cotts: 1.94
Damaso Marte: 3.77
Luis Vizcaino: 3.73
I was thinking Bud Smith, but his no-hitter was in 2001 and his trade was in 2002.
On the basis of one game, I put Hernandez in Kenny's "good" pile.
Misses: 2 starters, 9 relievers
Hits: 7 starters, 3 relievers
Mixed: 6 relievers
Given how much more important starters are than relievers to any team's success, and given the natural variance in performance by players who only throw 60 innings in a season, that's a pretty great record.
Also he was part of the deal for Vazquez. Dotel's really the only one in the mixed bag group that I wouldn't put in "Good."
Schoeneweis started for part of a year with the Sox, but Wells and Ritchie, the other two bad starters, were acquired before and after Williams's first year as GM.
Does it take into account that EJax won't be forced to stay in games while exhausted to avoid the bullpen for as long as is mercifully possible?
If you remove the last batter or two from games where any team with a bullpen would have relieved EJax earlier, and both his xFIP/ERA would likely be near 4.0.
But he won't get to face a pitcher 2-3 times. So it'll even out.
Nope. Totally different pitchers. Max is a fireballer who benefited from facing the easiest lineups in baseball in the NL West, who has never developed the endurance to become a real starter. Since he's been "fixed" he's actually averaging over 6 innings per start for the first time ever, but he's benefiting from a low BABIP as well, and is still walking guys at a high rate.
If this is the new Max Scherzer, he'll be a fine starter, but if if his career averages are really Max he's gonna end up in the bullpen, for the year he's averaging only 5.5 innings per start.
EJax is an innnings eater who is only one year older than Max, and has always been more valuable because of those innings, because until this year EJax cut his teeth facing some of the toughest lineups in baseball, and even this year EJax's results have been obscured by that bullpen.
Nope, it won't. From ages 23-25 EJax put up a 100 ERA+ in the AL not only pitching more innings than Max has ever dreamed of, but facing some of the toughest lineups in all of baseball. His top 10 most faced batters his age 23-24 years is midway between an allstar team and a HOF induction ceremony.
You can see the effects on Max from not facing the pitcher and facing tougher lineups, his K's are down because he was always able to pick up cheap ones against the pitcher and seldom made made it deep enough into ballgames to face pinch hitters.
But EJax has averaged over an inning more per start, he sees the pinch hitters, and he's made the adjustments. And I think the talent differential isn't so extreme from the AL to the NL West anymore. HIs results are poor mostly because this years Diamondback's team flogged EJax mercilessly to avoid using the pen.
This was a classic. Top of 7th, down 3-2, two men on, one out. 112 pitches on his arm, and they leave EJax in to face Kemp (strikeout), Ethier (Intentional Walk), so he can pitch to Manny Ramirez (3 run double on pitch 123).
There isn't a team in the MLB that has a bullpen as remotely as bad as the DBacks, they didn't even have a left handed reliever.
I may give Jackson the chance to outhit Mark Kotsay.
Dbacks big on option J.
If I could go back in time I'd still make that trade.
Dbacks big on option J.
Of course they are; he's their starting right fielder.
A lot of KW's moves are indeed inexplicable. At this point, I just trust that KW knows what he's doing and has a method which works.
It can be frustrating to be a White Sox fan, but the moves always seem to work out in the end, with the notable exception of Nick Swisher and Scott Linebrink. And boy are those notable exceptions.
Also, Levski, did the Josh Byrnes era really end that badly in AZ? Seems like the DBacks have had a good young core of position players and pitchers for about five years now, and they have to *click* one of these years.
Give me 10 trades as ###### up as this and I'll build a dynasty. Two average to above average league starters for one, with extra years of control, I'll do that every day.
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