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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Monday, December 18, 2006
... but more importantly:
Matsuzaka also said he was familiar with Boston’s reputation as the meanest sports city in America.
Meanest? Boston? Really? I would have ranked Boston third, after Philadelphia and New York. But to some extent you can’t go wrong with any of those three.
Toby
Posted: December 18, 2006 at 04:20 PM | 48 comment(s)
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They cheered Michael Irvin's career-ending spinal injury.
I'm a mild-mannered guy, but I would've been tempted to do the same.
Or "mean" as in average?
Well, yeah, anybody who has followed his playing or media career would. But as a non-Philly sports fan, I trust you would have found it in you to resist the urge.
Details?
Probably, but Philly fans are frigging hostile. I started hearing nasty things about Phillies fans before I was even really aware that different cities had different baseball cultures. Those guys would boo Gandhi.
Case closed.
As Scrooge said "A day older, and not a penny richer."
38. Years. Ago.
Count the Rings?
Michael Irvin was nothing special. If he'd have been drafted by a team like the Bucs or Saints, he'd have been just another guy.
I disagree. He had a very special talent for getting away with offensive pass interference six or eight times per game.
Disagree strongly. Irvin was a hell of a receiver--and no, I am not a Cowboys fan.
C'mon; the Saints could draft Dan Marino and he'd've sucked.
I think it's the equivalent of finding out who your kid's favourite sports hero is, and then buying a poster of it and pissing on it in front of your kid.
Booing Santa is just plain ###### up.
I can't think of any legitimate reason to boo a mythical person who brings joy to kids.
2. The Santa thing is like somewhere around #4527 on the list of why the fans in Philadelphia are harsh. Go to a game there and you'll see or hear about 35 things that offend you more than the Santa episode.
3. Who gives a #### about Santa? He's a fictional character, not the pope.
I'll take the guy who's the fastest in history to 1,000 receptions, has the single season record in receptions by a huge margin, is sixth in all-time receiving yards, and has no known crack problem.
I don't go in for the toughness/clutch/etc. arguments much more in football than I do in baseball. Some guys win it all and some don't. A single WR, particularly in comparison to an RB or QB, has a small effect on whether his team wins the big one.
How about because he's not a real person who brings joy to kids?
They added, or at least more strictly enforced, that illegal contact rule that makes it impossible to touch a receiver anymore when the QB has the ball without getting a 5-yard penalty and an automatic first down.
That's because you're not an Eagles fan and you haven't seen your team man-handled to the point where receivers are actually scared of catching the ball (Panthers in the NFC Championship).
I'm not really arguing about winning it all. T.O. has never won it all, but I'd love to have him in a big game.
You said you would rather have Harrison over Irvin, and you mentioned the crack angle, which precisely proves my point. Crack and hookers never derailed Irvin's career, other than a distraction in the abstract, it never caused the Cowboys to lose or affected anyone else on the team. He still produced whenever he was on the field. Which goes back to my original point that it is a shame for all the off-field incidents which cloud the career of a great wide receiver.
FWIW, I buy it much more in football. I guess it's changing somewhat, but careers are short, so those shining moments stand out more as a measure of a player's career.
Not that I know how to settle the Emmitt Smith vs. Barry Sanders debate.
Oh, and E.P.P., on Marvin Harrison, you forgot the great #2 receiver and tight end. Marvelous hands though--can't believe that catch this yr against the Patriots.
Yes they do.
Well, to the kids who are watching, that physical person they see IS Santa.
Or, (if their parents use the "he's Santa's assistant" to explain the multiple mall Santas), it's close enough.
I'm guessing you'd have no problem with a group of people booing Santa Claus at those annual Xmas parades they hold in many cities. If so, then I guess that's where we differ.
It wasn't "Boo, Santa!"
It was more like, "Look at the Santa those cheap bastards the Eagles are trying to pass off on us. Boo, Eagles!"
Way to ruin the myth, captain bringdown.
The Eagles were the worst team in the league all year, and the only thing the fans had to look forward to was the #1 pick in the following season's draft, who happened to be O.J. Simpson. Then, the week before the incident the Eagles somehow won a game which gave Buffalo the #1 overall pick and the Eagles #2. So yes, the fans were booing the Eagles and not Santa, and also booing the fact that their crappy team managed to win when everybody wanted them to lose.
Here in Philadelphia, whenever an argument starts about how rough the fans are and someone brings up booing Santa, we just roll our eyes. It happened a long time ago and has been exaggerated by history. Bringing up the Santa thing shows that a person has no real knowledge of the subject of Philadelphia fans.
But yes, the fans here are very mean. A small percentage of course, but very tough to play for.
Thank you for clearing that up.
I now withdraw my statement at #17.
There's a debate?
After taking inning into account, was Pedro's peak any better than Roger's?
As for football, I'd be interested to hear what people have to say about Rice. I've never seen anyone question him being the best receiver ever, but he had the benefit of playing with Montana and Young. Do all three of those guys get knocked down for playing with other greats? One less than the others?
How bout Lou Gehrig vs. Eddie Murray?
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