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Monday, March 15, 2010

Daylight Savings Dugout

The One Hour Rule is in effect.

Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: March 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM | 91 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc's grumbling has gone far enough Posted: March 15, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3479330)
Just a friendly reminder:

It's "Daylight Saving Time", folks. Saving. Singular.

Thanks a bunch.
   2. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: March 15, 2010 at 03:11 PM (#3479334)
My calendar, ostensibly one for baseball trivia, is instead filled with pithy quotes the past few days. So I have nothing to ask.
   3. Tiboreau Posted: March 15, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3479400)
Here's a list of the longest streaks without a World Series appearance. Any mistakes--streaks I missed, WS appearances that invalidate the ones listed, bad math?

1.  1946-2009 Chicago Cubs  . . . . . 64
2.  1961
-2009 Texas Rangers . . . . . 49
3.  1960
-2004 Chicago White Sox . . . 45
4.  1962
-2004 Houston Astros  . . . . 43
T5
1961-2001 Los Angeles Angels  . . 41
T5
1903-1943 StLouis Browns  . . . 41
T7
1969-2009 Washington Nationals  40
T7
1955-1994 Cleveland Indians . . . 40
T7
1932-1971 Oakland A's . . . . . . 40
10. 1920-1958 Chicago White Sox . . . 39
11. 1916-1949 Philadelphia Phillies . 34
T12 1915-1947 Boston Braves . . . . . 33
T12 1977-2009 Seattle Mariners  . . . 33
T14 1928-1959 Pittsburgh Pirates  . . 32
T14 1959-1990 Atlanta Braves  . . . . 32
16. 1980-2009 Pittsburgh Pirates  . . 30 


Each season without an appearance counts in the yearly total (the last column), so both '80 & '09 count against the Pirates, meaning that its been 30 consecutive years even though if you subtract the former from the latter it equals 29.

Three teams appear on the list twice--the White Sox, the Braves & the Pirates. The Braves have the honor of going 30+ years without appearing in the World Series in two different cities. Of course, the Cubs WS-less streak now equals two 30+ streaks (sorry Cubs fans, I root for'em whenever they're in the playoffs). This list was inspired by a desire to see where my home team, the Mariners, ranked. They're tied for 12th (if I haven't made any mistakes . . . ).
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 15, 2010 at 07:53 PM (#3479526)
D-Backs sign Mark Reynolds to a 3 year $14.5 million deal

They also sign P Kris Benson to a minor league deal

Nats release P Ron Villone

A's return Rule 5 pick P Bobby Cassevah to the Angels for $25k
   5. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: March 15, 2010 at 08:08 PM (#3479533)
Funny, one never thinks of Rangers' fans as long suffering. And I know the team hasn't been in Texas for all those years. But it has been for most of them, and the team has never won a playoff series. In fact, they won their first playoff game ever, and have lost nine in a row since.
   6. Autobahn Posted: March 15, 2010 at 08:12 PM (#3479536)
Time change for me here in the UK means i can watch the ice hockey and spring training and get a bit more sleep.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 15, 2010 at 08:19 PM (#3479543)
Ben Sheets today vs. Cincinnati

0 IP
8 hits
10 runs
9 earned runs
1 walk
0 strikeouts
1 home run (Chris Dickerson)

On the plus side, he's not hurt. Yet.
   8. Karl from NY Posted: March 15, 2010 at 09:22 PM (#3479590)
So I was playing Civilization on the pc late Saturday night. I look at the clock and suddenly it's after 3 AM. Sure, Civ can make one lose track of time, but it was like a whole hour just disappeared.
   9. Autobahn Posted: March 15, 2010 at 09:48 PM (#3479603)
So I was playing Civilization on the pc late Saturday night. I look at the clock and suddenly it's after 3 AM. Sure, Civ can make one lose track of time, but it was like a whole hour just disappeared.


That has happened to me plenty of times (Grand Theft Auto 3 and onwards in particular), if you are really concentrating and don't keep an eye on the time it's all too easy and it's one of the main reasons i have largely quit playing video games, along with:

- Pretty bad eye strain and headaches after finishing up.
- Losing interest in the majority of games being released and ended up playing mostly just Grand Theft Auto.
- And as a result losing most of my skills.
- Getting sick of getting wound up and frustrated when i failed at stuff.

It can be a bit annoying when most of the guys are going on about Call of Duty 4 and i can't really join in and i inevitably get my arse kicked when i play FIFA or something like that with friends (i remember one guy mananged to score on me using the goalkeeper!), but on the whole i don't miss it really.
   10. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: March 15, 2010 at 10:27 PM (#3479617)
Ben Sheets today vs. Cincinnati

0 IP
8 hits
10 runs
9 earned runs
1 walk
0 strikeouts
1 home run (Chris Dickerson)


At first glance, it seemed like this was a performance so terrible that I could have conceivably turned in the exact same stat line. Then I started wondering, can I throw hard enough for a big-leaguer to take me deep? I myself probably do, but how slow is too slow? Could a big-leaguer hit a 25 mph lob 375 feet?
   11. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM (#3479626)
how slow is too slow? Could a big-leaguer hit a 25 mph lob 375 feet?


I remember reading a story about Cal Ripken Jr. clearing the fence off a tee at home plate, so (assuming the story & my memory are accurate) I reckon it's possible.
   12. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 15, 2010 at 11:25 PM (#3479640)
Is it just me or has this site been really messed up lately. Pages take forever to load, and now it's so bad my browser is timing out about every 3rd or 4th click. 3 or 4 times per week I get the "There is an error in your database" message on a blank screen.
   13. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 15, 2010 at 11:29 PM (#3479642)
how slow is too slow? Could a big-leaguer hit a 25 mph lob 375 feet?

Easily. I used to see 50 year old coaches repeatedly hit fungos to the warning track with ease at Griffith Stadium, when the fence in the power alley was 380 feet from the plate. Cal Ripken Jr. could have cleared the fence from a tee almost at will when he was in stroke.
   14. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 12:01 AM (#3479656)
[12] - It's been fine for me.
   15. Cris E Posted: March 16, 2010 at 12:12 AM (#3479667)
but it was like a whole hour just disappeared.


Ummm, he may have been going in another direction there...
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3479908)
Indians acquire P Omar Aguilar from the Brewers for the rights to Rule 5 pick P Chuck Lofgren.

How is a trade like this legal though? Aren't the Brewers obligated to pass Lofgren through waivers and give everyone else in baseball a chance to claim him before sending him to AAA?

The Angels take back Rule 5 pick P Bobby Cassevah from the A's

Red Sox take back Rule 5 pick P Armando Zerpa from the Dodgers
   17. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 16, 2010 at 02:58 PM (#3479914)
Aren't the Brewers obligated to pass Lofgren through waivers and give everyone else in baseball a chance to claim him before sending him to AAA?

Is he out of options? Otherwise, I wouldn't think so.

Being a major-league rule 5 pick doesn't mean you have to be passed through waivers to go to the minors - it means you have to offer him back to the original team before you send him back to the minors (and the original team is free to send him to the minors). The trade is to get the Indians to not claim Lofgren back.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:02 PM (#3479916)
Thanks for clarifying Dewey. How come then, when Rule 5 picks don't make their drafted teams, they sometimes are claimed by other teams off waivers?
   19. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:03 PM (#3479918)
How come then, when Rule 5 picks don't make their drafted teams, they sometimes are claimed by other teams off waivers?

EDIT:

A player goes on waivers for two reasons (that I know of) - (1) because he's out of options, and the team is trying to send him to the minors and (2) he's on the 40-man roster, and they're trying to move him off the 40-man roster.

If a rule 5 pick makes the 25-man roster, he's automatically on the 40-man roster. Say the pick has made the team, but later the team decides they don't want the player - they'd need to pass him through waivers to get him off the 40-man roster. At this point, they wouldn't need to add him to the 40-man roster to keep him.
   20. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3479920)
No, Rule V players are passed through waivers. Presumably, Lofgren, Cassevah and Zerpa all cleared. Which is not surprising, since a claiming team would inherit the same Rule V conditions (must keep on the 25 all season).
   21. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:11 PM (#3479926)
And Rule V players aren't on 40-man rosters until they're selected. Which is why they're eligible in the first place. It would be unusual (but not impossible) for a Rule V eligible player to have used up his options. Such a player would have to reach a 40-man roster, then use up all three option years, then be outrighted, all without reaching minor league free agency.
   22. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:16 PM (#3479931)
And Rule V players aren't on 40-man rosters until they're selected.

That's right, I was mistaken - selecting a major-league rule 5 player automatically puts him on your 40-man roster. But I thought the selecting team could technically option down the rule 5 pick, provided that the player hasn't used up all his options - he just has to offer the player back to the team he selected him from (and that team would have to put him on the 40-man roster if they took him back).

The idea is to force a team to make a decision about whether or not to put him on the 40-man (and begin using his options), not to force them to keep him in the majors.
   23. greenback Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:20 PM (#3479935)
Yeah, Rule5 pick Luis Perdomo was claimed off waivers last year by the Padres, and the whiniest fans in baseball did what they do best when that happened.

I believe a couple of minor league free agents have signed minor league contracts and then have been taken in the Rule 5 draft. That should be grounds for firing an agent.
   24. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:20 PM (#3479936)
That's right, I was mistaken - selecting a major-league rule 5 player automatically puts him on your 40-man roster. But I thought the selecting team could technically option down the rule 5 pick, provided that the player hasn't used up all his options.


Nope. Gotta stay on the active 25 or pass through waivers. Furthermore, the guys who clear waivers and are returned to their previous teams (or kept through trade) have now been outrighted once. If they are selected again (it has happened a few times) and are again returned/outrighted again, they can opt for free agency.
   25. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:30 PM (#3479951)
I believe a couple of minor league free agents have signed minor league contracts and then have been taken in the Rule 5 draft.


There you go. There's the scenario in which a player who is out of options could end up in the Rule V. Still doesn't change the fact that options aren't really a factor in how Rule V players are returned.

One other furthermore, as I try to make this as confusing as possible: a Rule V selection can be traded at the major league level without going on waivers, as when one team with a high pick takes a player on behalf of another team and then trades him for some quid pro quo.
   26. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:31 PM (#3479954)
Nope. Gotta stay on the active 25 or pass through waivers.

Okay, so making it to being rule 5 eligible automatically uses up all your options.

Why wouldn't the Brewers just offer Lofgren back to the Indians, then, and claim him when the Indians try to put him on waivers, rather than give up something for him? Or is there a possibility that the Indians would keep Lofgren on their major-league roster?
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:39 PM (#3479966)
a Rule V selection can be traded at the major league level without going on waivers, as when one team with a high pick takes a player on behalf of another team and then trades him for some quid pro quo.

But that player still has to stay on the active 25 man roster. But Lofgren somehow gets to be sent to AAA?




Okay, so making it to being rule 5 eligible automatically uses up all your options.


Not from what I understand. In fact, most Rule 5 picks have all their options since they've never been placed on the 40 man roster. But the rules of the Rule 5 are that they must spend the entire year on the 25 man roster. Its usually the following year that they are optioned back to the minors for more seasoning (see Brian Barton in 2009).


Why wouldn't the Brewers just offer Lofgren back to the Indians, then, and claim him when the Indians try to put him on waivers, rather than give up something for him? Or is there a possibility that the Indians would keep Lofgren on their major-league roster?


My guess is because the Brewers don't have a high waiver priority and want to avoid the risk of the Pirates or Royals picking him up. I'm guessing they didn't think too highly of Aguilar too.
   28. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:48 PM (#3479972)
Okay, so making it to being rule 5 eligible automatically uses up all your options.


Nope. As I said, almost all Rule 5 eligibles have not used up their options. Using options would mean they were on 40-man rosters and being on 40-man rosters protects them from the draft.

Why wouldn't the Brewers just offer Lofgren back to the Indians, then, and claim him when the Indians try to put him on waivers, rather than give up something for him?


If they are returning him, it means he's cleared waivers and is back where he was before the draft: in the Indians' minor league system (albeit with the Indians' one free outrighting used up).

Or is there a possibility that the Indians would keep Lofgren on their major-league roster?


Theoretically, yes. But if they felt that way, they probably would not have exposed him to the draft in the first place. It would be odd for a team to reject placing a player on the 40-man in November and then add him in March, having risked losing him in between.
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3479974)
This just seems like a loophole ripe for abuse. For example:

Say there is a really talented minor leaguer Joe Schmo who is very raw and needs more minor league seasoning. Let's say his team is the Yankees, and they know several teams are interested in him. I'm the Royals and I like Schmo, but I want him to get more minor league seasoning. I know several teams drafting behind me are more willing to let Schmo sit on their 25 man roster.

I don't want to trade for Schmo before the Rule 5, because I don't want to take a 40 man roster spot on him, and I don't want to lose him in the draft. So I tell the Yanks, "we will select him, then trade a player to you to keep the rights." They agree. We select Schmo, then trade him for Jack Organizationfiller. I option Schmo to the minors, depriving other teams the chance to carry Schmo on their roster. The Yanks also win by getting some value for the player, rather than losing him for nothing.

Just seems like this is a loophole that avoids exposing a player to other teams, when that is the whole point of the Rule 5 - to expose a player to teams willing to carry him on the MLB roster.

Never mind if ess_eff is right and Lofgren has already cleared waivers. That would make more sense.
   30. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3479979)
But that player still has to stay on the active 25 man roster. But Lofgren somehow gets to be sent to AAA?


Lofgren had to have cleared waivers. (Tom Haudricourt confirms on his blog that Lofgren did).

In the scenario you posed with Joe Schmo, he similarly has to be passed through waivers, and can be claimed by any team, before he's offered back to the Yankees or a trade is made to keep him at the minor league level.
   31. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 16, 2010 at 04:25 PM (#3479993)
Just to confirm: ess eff is correct - Lofgren had to clear waivers for this trade to happen.
   32. SOLockwood Posted: March 16, 2010 at 05:08 PM (#3480039)
He had to clear waivers -- but it's a special kind of waivers. What the waivers were in this case were giving other teams the opportunity to claim Lofgren under Rule 5. Thus any team claiming him would then have to keep him on the 25-man roster.

If he had gone back to the Indians, would he have had to be put on the 40-man roster? Or would he have just stayed on the AAA roster (not necessarily on the AAA team)?
   33. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 05:20 PM (#3480049)
Daylight Saving is a ridiculous, hubristic practice that serves to give the world jet lag twice a year.

Ben Franklin's final joke on the world.
   34. ess eff Posted: March 16, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3480050)
If he had gone back to the Indians, would he have had to be put on the 40-man roster?


No, he would have reverted to his November status: Indians' minor leaguer. But he would be considered "outrighted," which has some significance.
   35. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 16, 2010 at 05:22 PM (#3480051)
Thus any team claiming him would then have to keep him on the 25-man roster.
Yes.
If he had gone back to the Indians, would he have had to be put on the 40-man roster?
Nope (presuming you mean after he passed thru waivers and was offered back to CLE - not if CLE claimed him).

EDIT: What ess eff said. The most significant part of having been outrighted is that, should it happen again, he'll have the right to become an FA, should he so choose.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 16, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3480068)
JOHN HALAMA RELEASED BY BREWERS!
   37. The Essex Snead Posted: March 16, 2010 at 06:15 PM (#3480101)
I'm guessing the shock comes from John Halama actually being active.
   38. Davo the Magnificent Posted: March 16, 2010 at 06:50 PM (#3480140)
I'm guessing the shock comes from John Halama actually being active.
John Halama was the starting pitcher in the very first MLB game I ever saw in person.

This one!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN199907230.shtml

Looks like I'm down to just A-Rod, Griffey, Hunter, LaTroy Hawkins (the other starter!) and Cristian Guzman from that game. :( I'm getting old!
   39. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 16, 2010 at 07:19 PM (#3480172)
Starfire Burning Upon the Ice-Veiled Throne of Josh Thole optioned to Norfolk.

Twins demote Jose Lugo. I spent about a minute figuring out that that was not the guy who signed a $36 million contract with the Red Sox three years ago. It's plausible that he would be with the Twins right now and getting demoted...but the name just sounds wrong.
   40. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 16, 2010 at 07:25 PM (#3480177)
Twins demote Jose Lugo. I spent about a minute figuring out that that was not the guy who signed a $36 million contract with the Red Sox three years ago. It's plausible that he would be with the Twins right now and getting demoted...but the name just sounds wrong.

That was Julio Lugo, no?
   41. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 16, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3480225)
More R5 returns: Steve Johnson back to BAL. Also, execrable MI Jose Vallejo outrighted by HOU.
   42. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 16, 2010 at 08:29 PM (#3480231)
Neyer's ESPN blog has a bit up on HT's 2.86 ERA projection for Strasburg.

I originally posted a strongly worded diatribe slamming Oliver based on my initial perusal of their figures (the NYY #s specifically) ... then I saw that HT updated their estimates, bringing their numbers at least closer to what I believe they should be. The difference (quoting HT): The problem our projections had is that they were assuming this jump would occur in one year, when often it can take many.
My remaining concern: not only can it take many, for most it will never happen, and you're relying on what I believe to be an overly optimistic set of assumptions for the majority of players - a problem that gets worse the farther away you are from the bigs. Like if you're a college or short season guy.

Independent of my soapbox (and back to Rob's article), Tango's criticism makes sense to me.
   43. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 12:40 AM (#3480365)
Astros sign Garciaparra. Michael Garciaparra.

Derrick Turnbow retires

Sidney Ponson can be seen this summer with the Long Island Ducks. QUACK!
   44. pv nasby Posted: March 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM (#3480477)
Happy St Pat's Day, but even better, Happy Birthday Daly!
   45. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 03:02 PM (#3480676)
Astros release OF Alex Romero

Nats release P Logan Kensing and the news of the day - release OF Elijah Dukes

Today is the deadline to request unconditional release waivers for a player and pay only 30 days’ termination pay, so look for some releases today.
   46. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:14 PM (#3480776)
White Sox release P Daniel Cabrera and OF Jason Botts
   47. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:33 PM (#3480798)
Holy cow, it's being reported that Rangers' manager Ron Washington apparently tested positive for cocaine last season.

I had absolutely no idea that even management was drug tested.
   48. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:42 PM (#3480808)
Looks like I'm down to just A-Rod, Griffey, Hunter, LaTroy Hawkins (the other starter!) and Cristian Guzman from that game. :( I'm getting old!

Not if Jacque Jones makes the team!
   49. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3480809)
Thanks, nasby!
   50. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3480811)
Ms release P Yusmeiro Petit
   51. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: March 17, 2010 at 04:58 PM (#3480829)
What's wrong with Petit? I thought he'd be a good fit for that Mariners club...
   52. greenback Posted: March 17, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3480835)
I had absolutely no idea that even management was drug tested.

No union contract for managers means everything is case-by-case. Kinda wonder why the Rangers would want to test Washington (Hamilton?), but I guess that's the heart of your point.
   53. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2010 at 03:51 AM (#3481293)
Okay, this seems like as good a place as any to ask this question:

When I was a kid, the story my dad always told me about the end of Duke Snider's career is that he blew out his arm after the team moved to LA, and he was never the same afterward. In fact, the specific story was that Snider and teammates were horsing around in the LA Coliseum one afternoon before a ballgame, and someone bet or dared Snider to try to gun one all the way out of the stadium -- over the seats, the roof, and into the parking lot. The resulting throw, in my dad's version of events, torched his arm, reduced his effectiveness afield and kept him out a lot of games because he couldn't swing.

B-R shows that Snider remained an effective hitter throughout his LA tenure, slipped a bit when traded to the Mets, and then performed poorly for the Giants in his final season. It also shows that, starting in his first year in Los Angeles, Snider developed difficulty staying on the field: after a career in which he had been been consistently durable, he would never again play more than 129 games (with a 1963 Mets team that was only marginally less awful than its record-setting predecessor), and would more typically play betwen 85 and 110 games. There is a minor caveat: In his last year in Brooklyn, Snider played 139 games in a 154-game season, still roughly full time, but fewer than he'd ever played since becoming a regular. This hints at the possibility that Snider was nagged by injuries that year which would come, in short order, to end his career as a full-time starter and major star.

Wikipedia notes only that the enormous stadium and an achy knee troubled Snider in his early days in LA, but that "age and injuries" would reduce him to part-time status by the early 60s. No mention of arm troubles, or an ill-considered throwing contest. So here's my question: Does anybody else here remember any kind of story like this? Is there a book which might confirm or deny my father's memory? Could he be transposing a compelling story about another player onto the star of his favorite team? I could probably solve this conundrum if I spent a lot of time searching the archives of the LA Times or some other local paper, but I'm kind of hoping I can find the lazy man's way out.
   54. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 18, 2010 at 03:57 AM (#3481296)
Speaking of Daylight Savings Time, when are they ever going to acknowledge it around here, on the posting times? Is this kind of a Y2K Lite, and will it adjust itself on the first Sunday in April?
   55. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 18, 2010 at 04:03 AM (#3481299)
So here's my question: Does anybody else here remember any kind of story like this? Is there a book which might confirm or deny my father's memory?

There was a story like that going around at the time, and many references to such a contest on google, usually involving Don Zimmer as the guy who put the dare to Snider. It would have taken one hell of a throw to get it out of that place.....Here's what it has to say about Duke Snider on The Baseball Page:

Injuries and Explanation for Missed Playing Time
On April 23, 1958, Gil Hodges hit his 300th home run and Pee Wee Reese played his 2,000th game on the same day that Snider injured his arm before the game trying to throw a ball out of the Los Angeles Coliseum. Not impressed, the Dodgers' front office fined Snider one day's pay... On April 17, 1961, Snider hit his 370th career home run, moving him into 7th place on the all-time list. In that game Snider later suffered a broken elbow when he was hit by a Bob Gibson pitch
   56. bobm Posted: March 18, 2010 at 04:05 AM (#3481300)
[53]

Have you seen this?


LA TIMES
Coliseum memories
March 25, 2008
Steve Springer, Times Staff Writer
Times staff writer Steve Springer participated in a conference call Monday with 11 former Dodgers who played in the Coliseum.

...

Clearing the top of the Coliseum -- without a bat

Don Zimmer had an offer for teammate Duke Snider he wasn't about to refuse. Zimmer had wagered that Snider could throw a ball over the left-field screen and out of the Coliseum. If Snider succeeded, his share of the winnings would be $200.

"My first throw went over the screen and reached the top row of seats at the rim," said Snider, also 81 and a resident of Fallbrook, Calif., for 52 years. "The second throw hit the concrete wall behind the last row of seats. I told Zimmer, 'This last one is out of here.'

"But, as I released the ball, it slipped out of my fingers and I heard something pop. I had dislocated my elbow."

Snider was forced to miss the game that night, resulting in a $200 fine levied by general manager Buzzie Bavasi.

So instead of winning $200, Snider lost $200?

Not exactly. Returning to play the next night, he waited until the last day of the season, then attempted his gargantuan heave again and made it this time, the ball flying over the rim.

Snider got his $200 back.

After the season, Bavasi gave Snider his $200 fine back.

"So," said the Dodger outfielder, "I wound up getting $400 out of the deal."
   57. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 18, 2010 at 04:21 AM (#3481306)
Reading the first comment about Snider, I just learned that Snider finished his career in SF.
I had no idea he didn't finish in LA (well before my time).

It made me wonder:
Is he the best player to finish his career as a single-season Giant? I think Warren Spahn has him beat.
In other words, someone who made a name for himself with another team, but played his last (and only) season as Giant.
Then, I thought, who are the best players to finish with single-season (or partial season) appearances for every franchise?
(with no other appearances with that franchise, except that final season/month/game)

Some that jump to mind:

Giants: Warren Spahn (or Randy Johnson)
Braves: Babe Ruth
Phillies: Jimmie Foxx
Pirates: Hank Greenberg
Athletics: Joe Morgan
Reds: Christy Mathewson
Royals: Gaylord Perry
Red Sox: Tom Seaver


The tough franchises are the new(er) ones, like the Marlins, Blue Jays, Rays, Mariners, Diamondbacks and Rockies.
   58. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2010 at 04:54 AM (#3481312)
Thanks for the help, guys.

[57] - A couple of ones I thought were obvious came to mind -- Mays with the Mets and Eddie Mathews with the Tigers. Turns out both men switched teams partway through their next to last seasons, oddly enough, though neither played more than 140 games with his last team.
   59. bobm Posted: March 18, 2010 at 04:57 AM (#3481315)
[57]
Mets: Yogi Berra (Mays played for NYM in '72 and '73)
Dodgers: Rickey Henderson
Cubs: Robin Roberts
   60. Danny Posted: March 18, 2010 at 01:12 PM (#3481418)
Athletics: Joe Morgan


Morgan has some competition from Tris Speaker, Satchel Paige, Zack Wheat, and Mike Piazza. Jimmy Collins and Ty Cobb just miss.
   61. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3481529)
Blue Jays return Rule 5 pick P Zach Ziniciola to the Nats

Indians claim IF Anderson Hernandez off waivers, DFA IF Brian Bixler

Tigers demote P Armando Galarraga
   62. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 19, 2010 at 07:12 PM (#3482518)
Another in BA's recent posts on how options, etc... work. Strongly recommended for those with an interest in, well, that sort of thing. Coming soon - a piece on minor league salaries, which seems to come up as a thread topic here at least three or so times a year.
   63. Accent Shallow Posted: March 19, 2010 at 07:19 PM (#3482523)
There's lists all over the Internet of the pitchers to strike out the side on nine pitches (for example). Has anyone done that with nine swinging strikes?
   64. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 19, 2010 at 07:39 PM (#3482539)
There's lists all over the Internet of the pitchers to strike out the side on nine pitches (for example). Has anyone done that with nine swinging strikes?


Or three outs on three pitches?
   65. Cris E Posted: March 19, 2010 at 07:46 PM (#3482542)
[57]...finish his career as a single-season Royal : Harmon Killebrew
   66. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 19, 2010 at 07:54 PM (#3482548)

The tough franchises are the new(er) ones, like the Marlins, Blue Jays, Rays, Mariners, Diamondbacks and Rockies


Arizona - Roberto Alomar
Colorado - Dale Murphy
Florida - Tim Raines
Seattle - Rich Gossage
Tampa Bay - Dwight Gooden
Toronto - Dave Parker
   67. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 19, 2010 at 08:09 PM (#3482563)
Indians - Ralph Kiner
White Sox - Jose Canseco (sadly)
   68. Cris E Posted: March 19, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3482569)
Dave Winfield ended up in Cleveland as well, if your tastes run to career over peak.
   69. Cris E Posted: March 19, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3482571)
Twins - Gary Rath's last season in the bigs was in MIN.

After a 3 G, 3.1 IP 37 ERA+ for the Dodgers in 1998 he came back with 44 ERA+ for the Twins. He both started and finished a game in five appearances and only took an efficient 4.2 innings.
   70. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 22, 2010 at 05:41 PM (#3483822)
Yanks return R5 Hoffmann (acquired for Bruney).
   71. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: March 23, 2010 at 01:03 AM (#3484018)
   72. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 23, 2010 at 01:12 AM (#3484020)
White Sox - Jose Canseco (sadly)


Ron Santo
   73. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 23, 2010 at 01:52 AM (#3484028)
Padres: Podres
   74. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 23, 2010 at 02:04 AM (#3484031)
Padres: Podres


Would that it were true.

Fred Lynn
   75. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 23, 2010 at 02:47 AM (#3484042)
Phillies: Stuffy McInnis?

With that one season being a single appearance in the field at 1B, and no at-bats, during his only season as a manager. From this box score I think that he put in Russ Wrightstone to pinch-hit for Dick Attreau, and then the Cubs' promising young manager Joe McCarthy brought in LHRP Percy Jones, and then McInnis brought in Clarence Jonnard to retain the platoon advantage. And then he had to put himself in at first base because Jonnard couldn't handle the position. Does that sound right?

If McInnis doesn't count, I think it's either Roger Craig or Dwayne Murphy. How do you choose between Roger Craig, Dwayne Murphy and Stuffy McInnis? I need to know the criteria.

On the other hand, if McInnis doesn't count, then Dan Brouthers's 5 at-bats at age 46 with the Giants might not count either, so Dan Brouthers would be the answer.

At any rate, an interesting investigation. Clarence Jonnard, as we all know, was the scout who signed Ed Kranepool for the Mets, and a member of one of the few pairs of twin brothers to play in the majors. He is listed as "Bubber Jonnard" at BB-ref although his brother Claude's biog indicates that both of them answered to "Bubber", a childlike corruption of "Brother".
   76. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 23, 2010 at 03:22 AM (#3484053)
Of course, I was talking about the category of "best player with less than two Xes in his last name".
   77. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 23, 2010 at 03:37 AM (#3484059)
Aroldis Chapman leaves Reds game with a sore back.

Too early to blame Dusty.
   78. a bebop a rebop Posted: March 23, 2010 at 05:31 AM (#3484070)
Texas Rangers: Sammy Sosa?
   79. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 23, 2010 at 11:00 AM (#3484099)
Texas Rangers: Sammy Sosa?


No, Sosa played for them in 1989.
   80. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: March 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM (#3484132)
The Braves have the honor of going 30+ years without appearing in the World Series in two different cities.
That second stint started in Milwaukee. They moved to Atlanta in 1966.
   81. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 23, 2010 at 02:04 PM (#3484206)
Chad Gaudin placed on waivers.
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 23, 2010 at 02:15 PM (#3484212)
Angel Berroa released!

Mike MacDougal released!

Must all the heroes of the Royals 2003 season be tossed on the scrap heap?
   83. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 23, 2010 at 02:18 PM (#3484216)
Joe Beimel signs with the Rox

Marlins return Rule 5 pick Jorge Jimenez to the Red Sox

Rangers trade IF Ray Olmedo to the Brew Crew for Mr. Misty May - Matt Treanor
   84. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 23, 2010 at 04:20 PM (#3484300)
Scott Schoeneweis cut by MIL.
   85. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 23, 2010 at 04:30 PM (#3484308)
The Rangers are trading for a catcher? Ou sont le wealth of fantastic catching prospects d'antan?

I am proud of being the first person in BTF history to mention either Dick Attreau or Percy Jones. Russ Wrightstone was listed as a Hall of Merit candidate once.
   86. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: March 23, 2010 at 04:51 PM (#3484324)
For the Rangers, maybe Brad Fullmer. He was never particularly good, but what are you going to do.
   87. ess eff Posted: March 23, 2010 at 04:56 PM (#3484327)
MadBum optioned to Fresno.
   88. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 23, 2010 at 05:08 PM (#3484337)
Via mlbtraderumors, a sorta-answer to my Casey Fien question (why did Toronto release him?).
   89. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: April 08, 2010 at 05:53 PM (#3497627)
BA transactions. Lots of ST releases here. Last year's Rule 5 fave ('til the season started) James Skelton is one, though Philly picked him up.
   90. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: April 08, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3497691)
   91. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: April 08, 2010 at 11:21 PM (#3497975)
This is both a bump for the last two items and a rant...

It's opening day for the minors and milb.com (among other issues):
* has no live box scores and
* doesn't have AA gameday up.
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