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Monday, September 10, 2007

Detect-O-Vision: Ten Things I Hate About You

SABR Matt’s love letter to John McLaren…

I concede that losing to the Angels may have taken some of the win out of their sails but it doesn’t explain a 2 for 15 slump.  They’re five out in the wild card now because John McLaren has personally thrown several games right out the window with his incompetence and because in between bizarre game-breaking decisions, he’s showing no confidence in his players and looking panicked out there, and the Mariners are playing the way he’s managing…panicked.  They make mistakes of aggression almost every day, from getting thrown out at home to overthrowing the cutoff man to unwisely trying to get an out on what is clearly an infield hit and turning it into a three base error to swinging at the first pitch even more than usual.

This is not a team that has “quit,” as some around the blogosphere have suggested.  A little quit in these guys might actually HELP!  They’re trying so hard to get the ship righted that they’re throwing runs away (on both sides of the ball).  If they would relax, they would win some of these close games.  This is a team that is being lead by a coward who is thinking only of his next job and is therefore paralyzed in the face of even minor adversity.  John McLaren is not only a bad manager, he’s a wuss, and the single most important explanation for why this team has gone from a group of overachievers to a pack of wannabes overnight.

Repoz Posted: September 10, 2007 at 12:57 AM | 10 comment(s)
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   1. scareduck Posted: September 10, 2007 at 01:15 AM (#2518000)
McLaren's usage of Rick White while White was on the team made his acquisition of the sobriquet "dumbest manager in the AL West" entirely plausible. Ron Washington didn't have the horses... McLaren had the best bullpen in the division and pissed away late inning leads or exacerbated existing leads in two of the three games (at home, no less) and the M's got swept partly as a result.
   2. 1k5v3L Posted: September 10, 2007 at 01:22 AM (#2518002)
Maybe the M's would've fallen behind in the wild card race even if [insert name of favorite manager] were managing them.

I'm sure it would all be Bavasi's fault then.
   3. Softball-Playing Human Refuses to Be Walked Posted: September 10, 2007 at 02:10 AM (#2518015)
Rick White's appeared in six games with the Mariners. In every single outing, he has either been charged with at least one run or allowed at least one inherited base runner to score. He has very literally never had an effective outing as a Mariner. Having made the point that he sucks, at least he hasn't been used in a few games.

What's worse, that McLaren used him in key situations, or that Bavasi went and got him in the first place?
   4. Belfry Bob Posted: September 10, 2007 at 07:57 AM (#2518043)
For cripe's sake...I guess the O's didn't beat out the Blue Jays in '89 because Frank Robinson was a 'wussy manager'.

Instead of ranting over the manager, the M's fans should be thanking their lucky stars for 3/4 of a great season. There was no way those guys should have been contenders. This was bound to happen, just like the Yanks' resurgence.
   5. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: September 10, 2007 at 08:33 AM (#2518053)
Rick White's appeared in six games with the Mariners. In every single outing, he has either been charged with at least one run or allowed at least one inherited base runner to score. He has very literally never had an effective outing as a Mariner. Having made the point that he sucks, at least he hasn't been used in a few games.

What's worse, that McLaren used him in key situations, or that Bavasi went and got him in the first place?
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Wow, he's like the Anglo version of Gagne.
   6. The Orodruin of DOOM Posted: September 10, 2007 at 09:40 AM (#2518125)
Give the guy a break - he was thrown into the managerial fire, inheriting an overachieving team in the playoff chase from a manager who unexpectedly quit in the middle of the year. Maybe there's a reason why he looks panicked.
   7. El Hijo del Ron Santo (Alan Keiper) Posted: September 10, 2007 at 09:42 AM (#2518130)
Having made the point that he sucks, at least he hasn't been used in a few games.


Probably because the M's waived White on Thursday.
   8. AROM Posted: September 10, 2007 at 09:52 AM (#2518142)
The August 30th game:

In the post-game interview, he would confirm that he was saving Putz in case the Mariners got a lead in extra innings.


So he used Rick White instead, lost the game in the bottom 9th and never gave his team a chance to score in extra innings and set up a save. That's a terrible way to not use your best reliever, being a slave to the save situation. But as an Angels fan, all I can say is "Thanks".
   9. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: September 10, 2007 at 09:56 AM (#2518147)
Give the guy a break - he was thrown into the managerial fire, inheriting an overachieving team in the playoff chase from a manager who unexpectedly quit in the middle of the year. Maybe there's a reason why he looks panicked.
I dunno, he was Hargrove's bench coach this year and was Pinella's bench coach for years and years in Seattle. If anyone can be expected to step into running a team and not missing a step, it ought to be the guy who has been with the team all season, knows the players, how best to use them, etc.

Seattle might have faded anyway, but McLaren has done an inexcusably bad job of making sure they faded. If the M's have any brains at all, he'll be long gone by Spring Training.
   10. robinred Posted: September 10, 2007 at 10:58 PM (#2519380)
Sounds like McLaren has made mistakes, but this seems way over the top. I guess he is arguing they'd be 6-9 or something during this stretch with a better manager, but a lot of this is just a guy pissed off because his team is biting it.
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