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Sunday, September 20, 2009

Dickey: Giants would be better off without Sabean

Some speak of the future…

The middle of the infield is another problem. Sabean jumped at Edgar Renteria and signed him to a two-year contract at $18.5 million. A scouting report in midseason noted that Renteria was the worst starting shortstop in the league at going to his left, and he isn’t any better going to his right. He’s lost bat speed, too. A lifetime .290 hitter who hit .332 as recently as two years ago, he’s hitting just .250. He’s probably a year from retirement but he’ll take advantage of Sabean’s generosity next season.

Giants fans gave Freddy Sanchez a standing ovation when he finally took the field at AT&T Park. Perhaps they thought they were getting the player who hit .344 in 2006. Nope. They were getting a player whose all-out style is causing more frequent injuries. He missed 17 games last season and has played only 107 games this season, with 16 to go. He had a club option with Pittsburgh that would be triggered only if he exceeded 600 plate appearances, which he won’t, but you can expect Sabean to exercise that anyway.

It’s Sabean’s way. And then, we can watch the further deterioration of Sanchez, along with Renteria.

And let’s not forget the other great Sabean midseason trade — Ryan Garko.

...Not pretty, but Sabean has a way of ingratiating himself with the men running the club, so, he’ll probably be back. For Brian Sabean, nothing succeeds like failure.

And failure’s no success at all…

Repoz Posted: September 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM | 18 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. scareduck Posted: September 20, 2009 at 01:02 PM (#3327081)
Meh. Sabean was a genius when Barry Bonds was on the roster. He doesn't seem especially good at building from the ground up, though. On the other hand, they're getting a nice wave of pitching, which is always what you need if you're going to contend.
   2. ChuckMeehan Posted: September 20, 2009 at 01:03 PM (#3327083)
A Giants fan would have a better read on this, but being that the Giants issues with offense was obvious before the start of the seaon, they probably could have picked up Bobby Abreu on the cheap for 2009. Now, Bobby isnt a "carry the team on his shoulders" player, but with the Giants just a few games out from the wild card, his production could have made the difference.
   3. 3Com Park Posted: September 20, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3327117)
Sabean has a history of overpaying veterans on the downside of their careers: Edgardo Alfonso, Ray Durham, Renteria, Rowand, Winn, Matheny.

He deserves some credit for the quality of recent drafts and pitcher development. The Giants seem poised to be a long-term contender, but Sabean isn't the guy to get them there.
   4. Flynn Posted: September 20, 2009 at 02:44 PM (#3327121)
There's got to be more than just Sabean responsible for pitching. That goes for hitting as well - the Giants have a bad record with hitting prospects - but I really don't see the offensive problem getting solved while Sabean is around.
   5. Tripon Posted: September 20, 2009 at 02:57 PM (#3327125)
The only person who's willing to take a walk in the Giants lineup is Freddy Lewis, and they benched him.
   6. Ginger Nut Posted: September 20, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3327190)
For a while Sabean seemed to have an ability to identify aging vets who would perform better than others expected. Examples include Ellis Burks and Moises Alou. Both had injury histories and seemed on the "down side" of their careers, but both played very well for the Giants. There were others as well. In a way this was his "market inefficiency"--he could pick out the guys who would be good in their mid to late 30s when everyone else thought they were done. Anyway, at some point he mysteriously lost this ability. Whether it was because his previous success had merely been due to luck, or because something changed in the game, the aging vets he picks up these days seem to play even worse than one might expect.

@2: Abreu has a reputation as a "lazy" player, and Sabean likes "hard nosed" guys. I assure you he would rather have Randy Winn than Bobby Abreu.

Sabean has been around a LONG time--his premier skill as a GM might be: persuading team owners to keep him in the job.
   7. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: September 20, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3327204)
For a while Sabean seemed to have an ability to identify aging vets who would perform better than others expected. Examples include Ellis Burks and Moises Alou.

I'll grant that Burks was a very good acquisition for the Giants.

Alou, not so much - he was one of the more frustrating signings in that he would be out for a game for a hamstring or something, and wind up being out 10 days.
   8. dregarx Posted: September 20, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3327221)
Abreu rather than, say, Randy Johnson would have been a good move before 2009. He would have replaced Fred Lewis at the beginning of the year and Eugenio Velez right now; not an insignificant improvement.
   9. Alex_Lewis Posted: September 20, 2009 at 07:22 PM (#3327262)
Speaking of Giants and their draft picks: This was just reported.
   10. NJ is feeling better Posted: September 20, 2009 at 07:45 PM (#3327274)
Speaking of Giants and their draft picks: This was just reported.

If you had told me that the battle for Best IFA from Summer '06, between Angel and Jesus would end with a death...I wouldn't have believed you.
   11. The District Attorney Posted: September 20, 2009 at 07:47 PM (#3327276)
Speaking of Giants and their draft picks: This was just reported.
Umm, holy ####.
   12. Tripon Posted: September 20, 2009 at 07:51 PM (#3327279)
Technically, Angel isn't a draft pick, he was an international FA.
   13. Alex_Lewis Posted: September 20, 2009 at 08:00 PM (#3327289)
Technically, Angel isn't a draft pick, he was an international FA.


True. But we weren't talking about IFAs, so there had to be a lead in somehow.
   14. Bhaakon Posted: September 21, 2009 at 03:40 AM (#3327574)
A Giants fan would have a better read on this, but being that the Giants issues with offense was obvious before the start of the seaon, they probably could have picked up Bobby Abreu on the cheap for 2009. Now, Bobby isnt a "carry the team on his shoulders" player, but with the Giants just a few games out from the wild card, his production could have made the difference.


Speaking as a Giants fan, I don't think anyone really expected the team to be close enough to a playoffs spot for Abreu to make a difference. More than that, the incumbent corner outfielders, Fred Lewis and Randy Winn, were easily the most valuable hitters on last season's team. The fanbase probably would have given Sabean a hammering for bringing in an old one-year rental to block one of the team's only serviceable "young" hitters in Lewis, and (including defensive value) Winn was easily more valuable than Abreu in 2008.
   15. Tripon Posted: September 21, 2009 at 03:44 AM (#3327577)
I have been told that the Giants believe that Fred Lewis is their version of Matt Kemp.
   16. Ginger Nut Posted: September 21, 2009 at 01:05 PM (#3327711)
I'll grant that Burks was a very good acquisition for the Giants.

Alou, not so much - he was one of the more frustrating signings in that he would be out for a game for a hamstring or something, and wind up being out 10 days.


True, but he OPS+'d 138 and 132. At least he was good when he was in there. I mean, I'd take that over Edgar Renteria playing every day. (Alou would probably have covered more ground at SS, too.)
   17. strummer Posted: September 21, 2009 at 01:22 PM (#3327720)
(Alou would probably have covered more ground at SS, too.)


And this even when playing from his LF position!
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 21, 2009 at 01:30 PM (#3327727)
"For a while Sabean seemed to have an ability to identify aging vets who would perform better than others expected."

This was, of course, before we knew that many of the Giants' aging vets were riding the BALCO train.
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