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Sunday, July 20, 2008

Dodgers stun D-backs in ninth

PHOENIX—“Just get to their bullpen.”

In so many words, there wasn’t a Dodgers player after Sunday’s stunning 6-5 comeback win who didn’t reveal the most obvious of game plans for beating the Arizona Diamondbacks and pulling back into a first-place tie.

There was a whole lotta game to this game, but the Dodgers’ season may have pivoted on Matt Kemp’s eight-pitch at-bat ending with the game-tying double. Kemp, who popped up on Brandon Lyon’s first pitch the night before, fouled off fastballs and hung tough on a curve before mashing a rope to the LCF alley.

This story’s theme is correct, in that Arizona’s bullpen is now a weakness. I don’t know many AZ fans who truly believe in Lyon as a closer. The pick-up of Tony Clark was a nice complementary move, but the D-Backs aren’t doing anything with the addition of a quality arm.

Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 20, 2008 at 11:00 PM | 36 comment(s)
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   1. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:13 AM (#2866129)
Speaking of bullpens, this was LA's for the series:
15 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 10 K.
Two wins, two saves, an ERA of 1.20 and a WHIP of 0.867.
   2. akrasian Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:33 AM (#2866140)
And all that without Saito.
   3. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:36 AM (#2866142)
Indeed. Broxton will be fine as a closer.
   4. ValueArb Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:39 AM (#2866144)
an ERA of 1.20 and a WHIP of 0.867.


Not as impressive when you realize who they were pitching against.

And how is picking up Tony Clark (2008 OPS vs. RHP .644) a nice "complementary" move when he started tonight against a right handed pitcher instead of Chad Tracy (2008 OPS vs. RHP .832)? Giving a manager with a fetish for veterans an opportunity play an aging, over the hill, "slugger" who hasn't hit since 2005 ahead of younger and better players?
   5. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:43 AM (#2866147)
When Clark is used as a pinch-hitter with pop and late-inning defensive specialist, yes.
As a starter... no.
   6. Boots Day Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:46 AM (#2866148)
The Dodgers now go to Denver for three games, with the Rockies just six back of both L.A. and Arizona. This race to 80 wins could be a lot of fun.
   7. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 12:47 AM (#2866150)
Not as impressive when you realize who they were pitching against.
Opponent-adjusted, it's still quite impressive.
Bitter, are you?
   8. Robert S. Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:02 AM (#2866163)
When Clark is used as a pinch-hitter with pop and late-inning defensive specialist, yes.
As a starter... no.

Reality is that the D-backs are going to give him regular starts because they think that it keeps him "fresh".
   9. ValueArb Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:03 AM (#2866164)
Opponent-adjusted, it's still quite impressive.


Yes, a 92 OPS+ offense in a two month long slump can be known to terrify the stoutest of bullpens.

From hells heart I stab at thee!!!!!

Bitter, are you?


No, not at all. What makes you say that?
   10. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:03 AM (#2866165)
Weakness, you say? Bah. You're saying guys like Leo Rosales (the return for Scott Hairston), Billy Buckner (the return for Alberto Callaspo) and Conor Robertson (the throw-in in the Haren trade) don't inspire confidence in you? Ye of little faith...

Anyhow, with Cruz and Slaten on the DL, Qualls hurt (and sucking), Pena and Lyon overworked, etc, the pen's been shot. Just what you want when you have the Cubs coming into town to face the crappy soft salad tossers in the back of your rotation...

Ironically, I believe every other reliever in the pen besides Lyon would've gotten 3 outs in the 9th today. Just a dumb job by Melvin to call in Lyon, and even dumber to leave him in even when it was obvious to everyone he just sucked today...

The Dbacks continue to lose games in the most imaginative ways.
This, of course, is a kind way of saying that they suck donkey balls.
At least they'll be pretty irrelevant in the NL west race very soon.
   11. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:11 AM (#2866166)
A snapshot of the Dbacks situation, from a post earlier today

The only month in which the Dbacks have had a winning record was April
They were terrible in May and June, and so far in July, they are 5-9
They've won only one series in July, @ WAS, probably the worst team in baseball
They've lost a series at home vs. SDP and now at home vs. LAD

The back of the rotation is ####
The bullpen is ####
The defense is ####
The offense is #### on the road, barely above #### at home

They just got abused by the Dodgers and dropped in a tie with them
They have their worst 3 starters and a shot pen to face the Cubs
And then they have a 10 game road trip @ SF (3), @ SD (3) and @ LA (4)
I honestly don't see them doing better than 4-9 or 5-8, if they're lucky

I can see them going home from LA with a 52-59 record, about 5 games behind the Dodgers
   12. akrasian Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:11 AM (#2866167)
At least they'll be pretty irrelevant in the NL west race very soon.

I doubt it. That hot start will keep them close for a while yet. And the Dodgers will undoubtedly find new and exciting ways to get injured.
   13. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:12 AM (#2866168)
Reality is that the D-backs are going to give him regular starts because they think that it keeps him "fresh".
If BoMel does that, he's an idiot.

At least they'll be pretty irrelevant in the NL west race very soon.
Nah, they'll be hanging around until the end. Despite the troubles with the offense and bullpen, no one else in the division can match Webb and Haren.
   14. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:14 AM (#2866169)
And the Dodgers will undoubtedly find new and exciting ways to get injured.
Or Colletti will pull the trigger on an unbelievably dumb trade.
I'm not looking forward to the Pierre-Jones-Kemp outfield, with Ethier dealt off for crap.
   15. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:18 AM (#2866170)
At least they'll be pretty irrelevant in the NL west race very soon.

That's impossible. The rest of the division is too bad.
   16. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:19 AM (#2866171)
They have their worst 3 starters and a shot pen to face the Cubs.
And then they have a 10 game road trip @ SF (3), @ SD (3) and @ LA (4)

Dodgers have a fortuitous stretch coming: @ COL (3), then home for 10 games with WAS (3), SF (3) and the aforementioned D-Backs (4).
At worst, 6-7; best case, 10-3.
   17. akrasian Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:20 AM (#2866173)
I don't see Ethier being traded (though for the RIGHT piece, he should be - not that Ned recognizes the right piece). He was basically Colletti's first move, and a ringing endorsement of Colletti as he fights to save his job.

For what it's worth, since the ASG Jones has been better. Not good, not worthwhile, small sample, but it almost looks like he's making an effort to change offensively.
   18. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:21 AM (#2866175)
Not good, not worthwhile, small sample, but it almost looks like he's making an effort to change offensively.
I'm not seeing it - still letting hittable pitches go by.
   19. Robert S. Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:28 AM (#2866181)
If BoMel does that, he's an idiot.

It's not gasoline's fault if it catches fire when you throw a lit match into it. BoMel was extended by this FO and Tony Clark was acquired by this FO. I see no reason to believe that they don't firmly support the way BoMel runs the team on the field.
Or Colletti will pull the trigger on an unbelievably dumb trade.
I'm not looking forward to the Pierre-Jones-Kemp outfield, with Ethier dealt off for crap.

Colletti didn't give Ethier or Kemp away to the first team that picked up the phone after he signed Andruw. Josh Byrnes probably has a tentative deal to trade Upton for Fuentes already in place.
   20. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:28 AM (#2866182)
If BoMel does that, he's an idiot.
Every village needs one.
Despite the troubles with the offense and bullpen, no one else in the division can match Webb and Haren.
What does it matter? The pen's been crap in their starts, and the offense is hardly ever scoring any runs. Unless they turn into Babe Ruths with the bat as well, it won't matter how good they are. The Valverde trade is turning into another unmitigated disaster...
That's impossible. The rest of the division is too bad.
Really? I can see them playing distant third fiddle to the Dodgers and Rockies by the middle of August.
   21. akrasian Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:29 AM (#2866183)
I'm not seeing it - still letting hittable pitches go by.

It's all relative. He looked like he was succing less in this series than he has all season. As I said, still not worthwhile - but he maybe making an effort to change.

I'd much rather he did it in the minors, of course. The Dodgers could promote Repko, for instance - not a major league hitter, but a better fielder than Jones at this stage, AND a better hitter. Not going to happen, unfortunately.
   22. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:32 AM (#2866184)
The Valverde trade is turning into another unmitigated disaster...
The return for Jose was used in the Haren deal, right?
   23. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:34 AM (#2866185)
And the Dodgers will undoubtedly find new and exciting ways to get injured.
That arguably is AZ's best hope. Even though it's more likely that we'll see another run by the Rockies (as Jesus indeed loves them more than we will know)...
   24. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:35 AM (#2866186)
The return for Jose was used in the Haren deal, right?
I wish. I'd gladly drive Chris Burke to Oakland...
   25. NTNgod Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:36 AM (#2866187)
The return for Jose was used in the Haren deal, right?

No. They got Qualls, Burke, and Juan Gutierrez.
   26. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:38 AM (#2866188)
No. They got Qualls, Burke, and Juan Gutierrez.
Oh. Yikes, that's not good.
(BB-Ref doesn't have transactions from last off-season posted yet. Get on it, Forman!)
   27. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:39 AM (#2866189)
See, the Dbacks' official line is they had to trade Valverde to free up cash for Haren's salary
Never mind they blew all of their discretionary cash on a $30m extension for the team's gimp
   28. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:41 AM (#2866190)
Oh. Yikes, that's not good.
Yup. When Ed Wade parts with a pair of crappy relievers AND throws in the heir apparent to Biggio to lead the way, you know you got taken to the cleaners. Sadly, I liked this trade at the time, mostly because I thought Qualls would fill in ably for Valverde. Little did I know the guy's a headcase and chokes like a dog under pressure
   29. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: July 21, 2008 at 01:42 AM (#2866191)
I won't even bother with my customary "He sells merchandise!" jab at Moorad.
But that deal offends almost as much as anything Colletti has done. Ned made (bad) deals while trying to make the team better; Moorad offered that extension as a marketing move.
   30. shoewizard Posted: July 21, 2008 at 02:28 AM (#2866205)
I got nothun
   31. Help, I'm being held prisoner in a dahlian! Posted: July 21, 2008 at 02:45 AM (#2866209)
Is Levski manic depressive?
   32. Justin T Posted: July 21, 2008 at 02:53 AM (#2866210)
Just retarded.
   33. ValueArb Posted: July 21, 2008 at 03:08 AM (#2866213)

No. They got Qualls, Burke, and Juan Gutierrez.


That's absolutely not true. We also saved $5M we needed to fit Captain Spazz's (floppy haired hero of baseball idiots everywhere) new contract in our limited payroll.
   34. retro-shiite Posted: July 21, 2008 at 04:01 AM (#2866218)
At least they'll be pretty irrelevant in the NL west race very soon.

Un-possible, however hard they might try to make it so.

Well, unless you're the Padres. Seriously--how bad do you have to be to play .370 ball in this division?
   35. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 21, 2008 at 05:16 AM (#2866230)
I'm starting to think the Rockies will win it again.
   36. Jolly Old St. Nick (now, with Screen Name history) Posted: July 21, 2008 at 05:52 AM (#2866237)
I'm starting to think the Rockies will win it again.

This wouldn't have happened if Hurdle hadn't made Webb throw 300 pitches in the bullpen during the All-Star game, with a knowing wink from Selig.
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